Prove or disprove: If $f$ is increasing and differentiable on $(a,b)$ then $f'(x)ge 0$ on $(a,b)$
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Prove or disprove: If $f$ is increasing and differentiable on $(a,b)$
then $f'(x)ge 0$ on $(a,b)$.
I could not find any counterexamples to it so here's my attempt at a proof:
Suppose there is a point $cin (a,b)$ such that $f'(c)<0$. Let $varepsilon = - f'(c)/2$. Then there exists a $delta > 0$ such that $frac{f(x)-f(c)}{x-c} < f'(c)/2 < 0$ for all $0<|x-c|< delta $.
Let $x_1 in (c-delta , c )$ then $x_1 -c<0$ thus we have that $frac{f(x_1)-f(c)}{x_1-c} <0$ implies $f(x_1) > f(c)$. Now, let $x_2 in (c, c+delta )$ then in a similar way, $f(x_2) < f(c)$. We note that $x_1 < x_2$ but we obtain $f(x_2)< f(c) < f(x_1)$, a contradiction since $f$ is increasing on $(a,b)$.
Is this attempt correct? Could there be any direct proofs?
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Here's the question again:
Prove or disprove: If $f$ is increasing and differentiable on $(a,b)$
then $f'(x)ge 0$ on $(a,b)$.
I could not find any counterexamples to it so here's my attempt at a proof:
Suppose there is a point $cin (a,b)$ such that $f'(c)<0$. Let $varepsilon = - f'(c)/2$. Then there exists a $delta > 0$ such that $frac{f(x)-f(c)}{x-c} < f'(c)/2 < 0$ for all $0<|x-c|< delta $.
Let $x_1 in (c-delta , c )$ then $x_1 -c<0$ thus we have that $frac{f(x_1)-f(c)}{x_1-c} <0$ implies $f(x_1) > f(c)$. Now, let $x_2 in (c, c+delta )$ then in a similar way, $f(x_2) < f(c)$. We note that $x_1 < x_2$ but we obtain $f(x_2)< f(c) < f(x_1)$, a contradiction since $f$ is increasing on $(a,b)$.
Is this attempt correct? Could there be any direct proofs?
real-analysis proof-verification alternative-proof monotone-functions
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Here's the question again:
Prove or disprove: If $f$ is increasing and differentiable on $(a,b)$
then $f'(x)ge 0$ on $(a,b)$.
I could not find any counterexamples to it so here's my attempt at a proof:
Suppose there is a point $cin (a,b)$ such that $f'(c)<0$. Let $varepsilon = - f'(c)/2$. Then there exists a $delta > 0$ such that $frac{f(x)-f(c)}{x-c} < f'(c)/2 < 0$ for all $0<|x-c|< delta $.
Let $x_1 in (c-delta , c )$ then $x_1 -c<0$ thus we have that $frac{f(x_1)-f(c)}{x_1-c} <0$ implies $f(x_1) > f(c)$. Now, let $x_2 in (c, c+delta )$ then in a similar way, $f(x_2) < f(c)$. We note that $x_1 < x_2$ but we obtain $f(x_2)< f(c) < f(x_1)$, a contradiction since $f$ is increasing on $(a,b)$.
Is this attempt correct? Could there be any direct proofs?
real-analysis proof-verification alternative-proof monotone-functions
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Here's the question again:
Prove or disprove: If $f$ is increasing and differentiable on $(a,b)$
then $f'(x)ge 0$ on $(a,b)$.
I could not find any counterexamples to it so here's my attempt at a proof:
Suppose there is a point $cin (a,b)$ such that $f'(c)<0$. Let $varepsilon = - f'(c)/2$. Then there exists a $delta > 0$ such that $frac{f(x)-f(c)}{x-c} < f'(c)/2 < 0$ for all $0<|x-c|< delta $.
Let $x_1 in (c-delta , c )$ then $x_1 -c<0$ thus we have that $frac{f(x_1)-f(c)}{x_1-c} <0$ implies $f(x_1) > f(c)$. Now, let $x_2 in (c, c+delta )$ then in a similar way, $f(x_2) < f(c)$. We note that $x_1 < x_2$ but we obtain $f(x_2)< f(c) < f(x_1)$, a contradiction since $f$ is increasing on $(a,b)$.
Is this attempt correct? Could there be any direct proofs?
real-analysis proof-verification alternative-proof monotone-functions
real-analysis proof-verification alternative-proof monotone-functions
asked Nov 24 '18 at 22:12
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Your proof is correct and almost a direct proof, let me rephrase it: Let $x<y$. Then
$ f(y)-f(x) > 0$. Therefore
$$ frac{f(y) - f(x)}{y-x} > 0.$$
Sending $yto x$ yields
$$ f'(x) ge 0.$$
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Since $f$ is increasing on $(a,b)$, should not it be $f(y)-f(x) ge 0$ albeit it makes no difference?
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– Ashish K
Nov 24 '18 at 22:20
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@AshishK It depends on what you define as increasing. I'm always confused, since its "$>$" for increasing sequences...
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– Calvin Khor
Nov 24 '18 at 22:22
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Your proof is correct. A direct proof goes like this:
For any $cin (a,b)$, since $f$ is differentiable at $c$, we have
$$lim_{xto c}frac{f(x)-f(c)}{x-c}=f'(c).$$
The expression inside the limit is always nonnegative since $f$ is increasing. Thus, the limit has to be nonnegative.
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Your proof is correct and almost a direct proof, let me rephrase it: Let $x<y$. Then
$ f(y)-f(x) > 0$. Therefore
$$ frac{f(y) - f(x)}{y-x} > 0.$$
Sending $yto x$ yields
$$ f'(x) ge 0.$$
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Since $f$ is increasing on $(a,b)$, should not it be $f(y)-f(x) ge 0$ albeit it makes no difference?
$endgroup$
– Ashish K
Nov 24 '18 at 22:20
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@AshishK It depends on what you define as increasing. I'm always confused, since its "$>$" for increasing sequences...
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– Calvin Khor
Nov 24 '18 at 22:22
add a comment |
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Your proof is correct and almost a direct proof, let me rephrase it: Let $x<y$. Then
$ f(y)-f(x) > 0$. Therefore
$$ frac{f(y) - f(x)}{y-x} > 0.$$
Sending $yto x$ yields
$$ f'(x) ge 0.$$
$endgroup$
$begingroup$
Since $f$ is increasing on $(a,b)$, should not it be $f(y)-f(x) ge 0$ albeit it makes no difference?
$endgroup$
– Ashish K
Nov 24 '18 at 22:20
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@AshishK It depends on what you define as increasing. I'm always confused, since its "$>$" for increasing sequences...
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– Calvin Khor
Nov 24 '18 at 22:22
add a comment |
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Your proof is correct and almost a direct proof, let me rephrase it: Let $x<y$. Then
$ f(y)-f(x) > 0$. Therefore
$$ frac{f(y) - f(x)}{y-x} > 0.$$
Sending $yto x$ yields
$$ f'(x) ge 0.$$
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Your proof is correct and almost a direct proof, let me rephrase it: Let $x<y$. Then
$ f(y)-f(x) > 0$. Therefore
$$ frac{f(y) - f(x)}{y-x} > 0.$$
Sending $yto x$ yields
$$ f'(x) ge 0.$$
answered Nov 24 '18 at 22:16
Calvin KhorCalvin Khor
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Since $f$ is increasing on $(a,b)$, should not it be $f(y)-f(x) ge 0$ albeit it makes no difference?
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– Ashish K
Nov 24 '18 at 22:20
$begingroup$
@AshishK It depends on what you define as increasing. I'm always confused, since its "$>$" for increasing sequences...
$endgroup$
– Calvin Khor
Nov 24 '18 at 22:22
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Since $f$ is increasing on $(a,b)$, should not it be $f(y)-f(x) ge 0$ albeit it makes no difference?
$endgroup$
– Ashish K
Nov 24 '18 at 22:20
$begingroup$
@AshishK It depends on what you define as increasing. I'm always confused, since its "$>$" for increasing sequences...
$endgroup$
– Calvin Khor
Nov 24 '18 at 22:22
$begingroup$
Since $f$ is increasing on $(a,b)$, should not it be $f(y)-f(x) ge 0$ albeit it makes no difference?
$endgroup$
– Ashish K
Nov 24 '18 at 22:20
$begingroup$
Since $f$ is increasing on $(a,b)$, should not it be $f(y)-f(x) ge 0$ albeit it makes no difference?
$endgroup$
– Ashish K
Nov 24 '18 at 22:20
$begingroup$
@AshishK It depends on what you define as increasing. I'm always confused, since its "$>$" for increasing sequences...
$endgroup$
– Calvin Khor
Nov 24 '18 at 22:22
$begingroup$
@AshishK It depends on what you define as increasing. I'm always confused, since its "$>$" for increasing sequences...
$endgroup$
– Calvin Khor
Nov 24 '18 at 22:22
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Your proof is correct. A direct proof goes like this:
For any $cin (a,b)$, since $f$ is differentiable at $c$, we have
$$lim_{xto c}frac{f(x)-f(c)}{x-c}=f'(c).$$
The expression inside the limit is always nonnegative since $f$ is increasing. Thus, the limit has to be nonnegative.
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Your proof is correct. A direct proof goes like this:
For any $cin (a,b)$, since $f$ is differentiable at $c$, we have
$$lim_{xto c}frac{f(x)-f(c)}{x-c}=f'(c).$$
The expression inside the limit is always nonnegative since $f$ is increasing. Thus, the limit has to be nonnegative.
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add a comment |
$begingroup$
Your proof is correct. A direct proof goes like this:
For any $cin (a,b)$, since $f$ is differentiable at $c$, we have
$$lim_{xto c}frac{f(x)-f(c)}{x-c}=f'(c).$$
The expression inside the limit is always nonnegative since $f$ is increasing. Thus, the limit has to be nonnegative.
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Your proof is correct. A direct proof goes like this:
For any $cin (a,b)$, since $f$ is differentiable at $c$, we have
$$lim_{xto c}frac{f(x)-f(c)}{x-c}=f'(c).$$
The expression inside the limit is always nonnegative since $f$ is increasing. Thus, the limit has to be nonnegative.
answered Nov 24 '18 at 22:16
Eclipse SunEclipse Sun
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