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If $f(x)=(x-alpha)^n g(x)$, then $f(alpha)=f'(alpha)=f''(alpha)=...=f^{n-1}(alpha)=0$, where$f(x)$ and $g(x)$ are polynomials.

For a polynomial $f(x)$ with rational coefficients, answer the following questions:




  1. If $f(x)$ touches x-axis at only one point, then the point of touching is

    (a) always a rational number

    (b) may or may not be a rational number

    (c) never a rational number

    (d) none of these


  2. If $f(x)$ is of degree 3 and touches x-axis, then

    (a)all the roots of $f(x)$ are rational

    (b) only one root is rational

    (c) both (a) and (b) may be possible

    (d) none of these


  3. $f(alpha)=f'(alpha)=f''(alpha)=0$,$f(beta)=f'(beta)=f''(beta)=0$ and $f(x)$ is a polynomial of degree 6, then

    (a) all the roots of $f''(x)=0$ are real

    (b) at least two roots of $f''(x)=0$

    (c) exactly two roots of $f''(x)=0$ are real

    (d) none of these



MY APPROACH:




  1. I got this one by contradiction. I assumed that the only point of touching is irrational so therefore $alpha$ which will be the point should be irrational.
    This implies that $f(x)$ will have irrational coefficients which is not the case. Therefore, $alpha$ has to be rational.


  2. I got stuck here. I only know that the point of touching has to be rational. That's it. I don't know about the other two roots.


  3. I think I got this one but I am not so sure.

    According to given condition,
    $f(x)= (x-alpha)^3(x-beta)^3$
    $implies f'(x)=3(x-alpha)^2(x-beta)^2(2x-(alpha+beta))$

    Therefore the roots are $alpha$ , $beta$ and a root each in $(alpha,frac{alpha+beta}{2})$ and $(frac{alpha+beta}{2},beta)$



P.S. Please do correct me if I have done anything wrong in the ones that I have solved.










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  • 1b is a sure bet. Does touching exclude crossing?
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  • 1.) $(x^3-2)^2$. 2) reduce to $(x-a)^2(x+2a)=x^3-3a^2x+2a^3$, obvious from last two coefficients. 3) correct.
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    Nov 12 at 15:08















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If $f(x)=(x-alpha)^n g(x)$, then $f(alpha)=f'(alpha)=f''(alpha)=...=f^{n-1}(alpha)=0$, where$f(x)$ and $g(x)$ are polynomials.

For a polynomial $f(x)$ with rational coefficients, answer the following questions:




  1. If $f(x)$ touches x-axis at only one point, then the point of touching is

    (a) always a rational number

    (b) may or may not be a rational number

    (c) never a rational number

    (d) none of these


  2. If $f(x)$ is of degree 3 and touches x-axis, then

    (a)all the roots of $f(x)$ are rational

    (b) only one root is rational

    (c) both (a) and (b) may be possible

    (d) none of these


  3. $f(alpha)=f'(alpha)=f''(alpha)=0$,$f(beta)=f'(beta)=f''(beta)=0$ and $f(x)$ is a polynomial of degree 6, then

    (a) all the roots of $f''(x)=0$ are real

    (b) at least two roots of $f''(x)=0$

    (c) exactly two roots of $f''(x)=0$ are real

    (d) none of these



MY APPROACH:




  1. I got this one by contradiction. I assumed that the only point of touching is irrational so therefore $alpha$ which will be the point should be irrational.
    This implies that $f(x)$ will have irrational coefficients which is not the case. Therefore, $alpha$ has to be rational.


  2. I got stuck here. I only know that the point of touching has to be rational. That's it. I don't know about the other two roots.


  3. I think I got this one but I am not so sure.

    According to given condition,
    $f(x)= (x-alpha)^3(x-beta)^3$
    $implies f'(x)=3(x-alpha)^2(x-beta)^2(2x-(alpha+beta))$

    Therefore the roots are $alpha$ , $beta$ and a root each in $(alpha,frac{alpha+beta}{2})$ and $(frac{alpha+beta}{2},beta)$



P.S. Please do correct me if I have done anything wrong in the ones that I have solved.










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  • 1b is a sure bet. Does touching exclude crossing?
    – William Elliot
    Nov 12 at 9:20










  • 1.) $(x^3-2)^2$. 2) reduce to $(x-a)^2(x+2a)=x^3-3a^2x+2a^3$, obvious from last two coefficients. 3) correct.
    – LutzL
    Nov 12 at 15:08













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If $f(x)=(x-alpha)^n g(x)$, then $f(alpha)=f'(alpha)=f''(alpha)=...=f^{n-1}(alpha)=0$, where$f(x)$ and $g(x)$ are polynomials.

For a polynomial $f(x)$ with rational coefficients, answer the following questions:




  1. If $f(x)$ touches x-axis at only one point, then the point of touching is

    (a) always a rational number

    (b) may or may not be a rational number

    (c) never a rational number

    (d) none of these


  2. If $f(x)$ is of degree 3 and touches x-axis, then

    (a)all the roots of $f(x)$ are rational

    (b) only one root is rational

    (c) both (a) and (b) may be possible

    (d) none of these


  3. $f(alpha)=f'(alpha)=f''(alpha)=0$,$f(beta)=f'(beta)=f''(beta)=0$ and $f(x)$ is a polynomial of degree 6, then

    (a) all the roots of $f''(x)=0$ are real

    (b) at least two roots of $f''(x)=0$

    (c) exactly two roots of $f''(x)=0$ are real

    (d) none of these



MY APPROACH:




  1. I got this one by contradiction. I assumed that the only point of touching is irrational so therefore $alpha$ which will be the point should be irrational.
    This implies that $f(x)$ will have irrational coefficients which is not the case. Therefore, $alpha$ has to be rational.


  2. I got stuck here. I only know that the point of touching has to be rational. That's it. I don't know about the other two roots.


  3. I think I got this one but I am not so sure.

    According to given condition,
    $f(x)= (x-alpha)^3(x-beta)^3$
    $implies f'(x)=3(x-alpha)^2(x-beta)^2(2x-(alpha+beta))$

    Therefore the roots are $alpha$ , $beta$ and a root each in $(alpha,frac{alpha+beta}{2})$ and $(frac{alpha+beta}{2},beta)$



P.S. Please do correct me if I have done anything wrong in the ones that I have solved.










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Here is the question:



If $f(x)=(x-alpha)^n g(x)$, then $f(alpha)=f'(alpha)=f''(alpha)=...=f^{n-1}(alpha)=0$, where$f(x)$ and $g(x)$ are polynomials.

For a polynomial $f(x)$ with rational coefficients, answer the following questions:




  1. If $f(x)$ touches x-axis at only one point, then the point of touching is

    (a) always a rational number

    (b) may or may not be a rational number

    (c) never a rational number

    (d) none of these


  2. If $f(x)$ is of degree 3 and touches x-axis, then

    (a)all the roots of $f(x)$ are rational

    (b) only one root is rational

    (c) both (a) and (b) may be possible

    (d) none of these


  3. $f(alpha)=f'(alpha)=f''(alpha)=0$,$f(beta)=f'(beta)=f''(beta)=0$ and $f(x)$ is a polynomial of degree 6, then

    (a) all the roots of $f''(x)=0$ are real

    (b) at least two roots of $f''(x)=0$

    (c) exactly two roots of $f''(x)=0$ are real

    (d) none of these



MY APPROACH:




  1. I got this one by contradiction. I assumed that the only point of touching is irrational so therefore $alpha$ which will be the point should be irrational.
    This implies that $f(x)$ will have irrational coefficients which is not the case. Therefore, $alpha$ has to be rational.


  2. I got stuck here. I only know that the point of touching has to be rational. That's it. I don't know about the other two roots.


  3. I think I got this one but I am not so sure.

    According to given condition,
    $f(x)= (x-alpha)^3(x-beta)^3$
    $implies f'(x)=3(x-alpha)^2(x-beta)^2(2x-(alpha+beta))$

    Therefore the roots are $alpha$ , $beta$ and a root each in $(alpha,frac{alpha+beta}{2})$ and $(frac{alpha+beta}{2},beta)$



P.S. Please do correct me if I have done anything wrong in the ones that I have solved.







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  • 1b is a sure bet. Does touching exclude crossing?
    – William Elliot
    Nov 12 at 9:20










  • 1.) $(x^3-2)^2$. 2) reduce to $(x-a)^2(x+2a)=x^3-3a^2x+2a^3$, obvious from last two coefficients. 3) correct.
    – LutzL
    Nov 12 at 15:08


















  • 1b is a sure bet. Does touching exclude crossing?
    – William Elliot
    Nov 12 at 9:20










  • 1.) $(x^3-2)^2$. 2) reduce to $(x-a)^2(x+2a)=x^3-3a^2x+2a^3$, obvious from last two coefficients. 3) correct.
    – LutzL
    Nov 12 at 15:08
















1b is a sure bet. Does touching exclude crossing?
– William Elliot
Nov 12 at 9:20




1b is a sure bet. Does touching exclude crossing?
– William Elliot
Nov 12 at 9:20












1.) $(x^3-2)^2$. 2) reduce to $(x-a)^2(x+2a)=x^3-3a^2x+2a^3$, obvious from last two coefficients. 3) correct.
– LutzL
Nov 12 at 15:08




1.) $(x^3-2)^2$. 2) reduce to $(x-a)^2(x+2a)=x^3-3a^2x+2a^3$, obvious from last two coefficients. 3) correct.
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In your approach, it is not true in general that




This implies that $f(x)$ will have irrational coefficients




As LutzL comments, $f(x)=(x^3-2)^2$ satisfies our conditions since this can be written as $f(x)=(x-sqrt[3]{2})^2(x^2+sqrt[3]2 x+sqrt[3]4)^2$ where $sqrt[3]2$ is irrational. Also, $f(x)=(x-1)^2$ satisfies our conditions. So, (b) is correct.





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$f(x)$ has to be of the form $$f(x)=a(x-alpha)^2(x-beta)=ax^3-a(beta+2alpha)x^2+aalpha(alpha+2beta)x-aalpha^2beta$$ where $a (not=0),beta+2alpha,alpha(alpha+2beta)$ and $alpha^2beta$ are rational with $alphanot=beta$.



$beta+2alpha$ is rational, so if $beta$ is rational, then $alpha$ is rational. So, (b)(c) are incorrect.



Here, let $$s=beta+2alpha,qquad t=alpha(alpha+2beta),qquad u=alpha^2beta$$
where $s,t,u$ are rational.



Since $beta=s-2alpha$, we get
$$t=alpha(alpha+2s-4alpha),qquad u=alpha^2(s-2alpha),$$
i.e.
$$alpha^2=frac{2salpha-t}{3},qquad alpha^2(2alpha-s)+u=0$$
Substituting the former into the latter gives
$$frac{2salpha-t}{3}(2alpha-s)+u=0,$$
i.e.
$$4salpha^2-2s^2alpha-2talpha+st+3u=0,$$
i.e.
$$4sfrac{2salpha-t}{3}-2s^2alpha-2talpha+st+3u=0,$$
i.e.
$$(s^2-3t)alpha=frac{st-9u}{2}$$



If $s^2-3t=0$, then we have $st-9u=0$. So, $3t=s^2,27u=3st=s^3$ to have
$$s=beta+2alpha,qquad s^2=3alpha(alpha+2beta),qquad s^3=27alpha^2beta$$
So, we have
$$(beta+2alpha)times 3alpha(alpha+2beta)=27alpha^2beta$$$$implies 6alpha(alpha-beta)^2=0implies alpha=0$$since $alphanot=beta$. So, both $alpha$ and $beta$ are rational.



If $s^2-3tnot =0$, then both $alpha$ and $beta$ are rational.



Therefore, we see that both $alpha$ and $beta$ are rational.



It follows that (a) is correct.





For 3.



What you've done looks correct to me.



(It should be better to start with $f(x)=a(x-alpha)^3(x-beta)^3$ where $a (not=0)$ is rational and write "we may assume that $alphaltbeta$".)






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    For 1.



    In your approach, it is not true in general that




    This implies that $f(x)$ will have irrational coefficients




    As LutzL comments, $f(x)=(x^3-2)^2$ satisfies our conditions since this can be written as $f(x)=(x-sqrt[3]{2})^2(x^2+sqrt[3]2 x+sqrt[3]4)^2$ where $sqrt[3]2$ is irrational. Also, $f(x)=(x-1)^2$ satisfies our conditions. So, (b) is correct.





    For 2.



    $f(x)$ has to be of the form $$f(x)=a(x-alpha)^2(x-beta)=ax^3-a(beta+2alpha)x^2+aalpha(alpha+2beta)x-aalpha^2beta$$ where $a (not=0),beta+2alpha,alpha(alpha+2beta)$ and $alpha^2beta$ are rational with $alphanot=beta$.



    $beta+2alpha$ is rational, so if $beta$ is rational, then $alpha$ is rational. So, (b)(c) are incorrect.



    Here, let $$s=beta+2alpha,qquad t=alpha(alpha+2beta),qquad u=alpha^2beta$$
    where $s,t,u$ are rational.



    Since $beta=s-2alpha$, we get
    $$t=alpha(alpha+2s-4alpha),qquad u=alpha^2(s-2alpha),$$
    i.e.
    $$alpha^2=frac{2salpha-t}{3},qquad alpha^2(2alpha-s)+u=0$$
    Substituting the former into the latter gives
    $$frac{2salpha-t}{3}(2alpha-s)+u=0,$$
    i.e.
    $$4salpha^2-2s^2alpha-2talpha+st+3u=0,$$
    i.e.
    $$4sfrac{2salpha-t}{3}-2s^2alpha-2talpha+st+3u=0,$$
    i.e.
    $$(s^2-3t)alpha=frac{st-9u}{2}$$



    If $s^2-3t=0$, then we have $st-9u=0$. So, $3t=s^2,27u=3st=s^3$ to have
    $$s=beta+2alpha,qquad s^2=3alpha(alpha+2beta),qquad s^3=27alpha^2beta$$
    So, we have
    $$(beta+2alpha)times 3alpha(alpha+2beta)=27alpha^2beta$$$$implies 6alpha(alpha-beta)^2=0implies alpha=0$$since $alphanot=beta$. So, both $alpha$ and $beta$ are rational.



    If $s^2-3tnot =0$, then both $alpha$ and $beta$ are rational.



    Therefore, we see that both $alpha$ and $beta$ are rational.



    It follows that (a) is correct.





    For 3.



    What you've done looks correct to me.



    (It should be better to start with $f(x)=a(x-alpha)^3(x-beta)^3$ where $a (not=0)$ is rational and write "we may assume that $alphaltbeta$".)






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      For 1.



      In your approach, it is not true in general that




      This implies that $f(x)$ will have irrational coefficients




      As LutzL comments, $f(x)=(x^3-2)^2$ satisfies our conditions since this can be written as $f(x)=(x-sqrt[3]{2})^2(x^2+sqrt[3]2 x+sqrt[3]4)^2$ where $sqrt[3]2$ is irrational. Also, $f(x)=(x-1)^2$ satisfies our conditions. So, (b) is correct.





      For 2.



      $f(x)$ has to be of the form $$f(x)=a(x-alpha)^2(x-beta)=ax^3-a(beta+2alpha)x^2+aalpha(alpha+2beta)x-aalpha^2beta$$ where $a (not=0),beta+2alpha,alpha(alpha+2beta)$ and $alpha^2beta$ are rational with $alphanot=beta$.



      $beta+2alpha$ is rational, so if $beta$ is rational, then $alpha$ is rational. So, (b)(c) are incorrect.



      Here, let $$s=beta+2alpha,qquad t=alpha(alpha+2beta),qquad u=alpha^2beta$$
      where $s,t,u$ are rational.



      Since $beta=s-2alpha$, we get
      $$t=alpha(alpha+2s-4alpha),qquad u=alpha^2(s-2alpha),$$
      i.e.
      $$alpha^2=frac{2salpha-t}{3},qquad alpha^2(2alpha-s)+u=0$$
      Substituting the former into the latter gives
      $$frac{2salpha-t}{3}(2alpha-s)+u=0,$$
      i.e.
      $$4salpha^2-2s^2alpha-2talpha+st+3u=0,$$
      i.e.
      $$4sfrac{2salpha-t}{3}-2s^2alpha-2talpha+st+3u=0,$$
      i.e.
      $$(s^2-3t)alpha=frac{st-9u}{2}$$



      If $s^2-3t=0$, then we have $st-9u=0$. So, $3t=s^2,27u=3st=s^3$ to have
      $$s=beta+2alpha,qquad s^2=3alpha(alpha+2beta),qquad s^3=27alpha^2beta$$
      So, we have
      $$(beta+2alpha)times 3alpha(alpha+2beta)=27alpha^2beta$$$$implies 6alpha(alpha-beta)^2=0implies alpha=0$$since $alphanot=beta$. So, both $alpha$ and $beta$ are rational.



      If $s^2-3tnot =0$, then both $alpha$ and $beta$ are rational.



      Therefore, we see that both $alpha$ and $beta$ are rational.



      It follows that (a) is correct.





      For 3.



      What you've done looks correct to me.



      (It should be better to start with $f(x)=a(x-alpha)^3(x-beta)^3$ where $a (not=0)$ is rational and write "we may assume that $alphaltbeta$".)






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        For 1.



        In your approach, it is not true in general that




        This implies that $f(x)$ will have irrational coefficients




        As LutzL comments, $f(x)=(x^3-2)^2$ satisfies our conditions since this can be written as $f(x)=(x-sqrt[3]{2})^2(x^2+sqrt[3]2 x+sqrt[3]4)^2$ where $sqrt[3]2$ is irrational. Also, $f(x)=(x-1)^2$ satisfies our conditions. So, (b) is correct.





        For 2.



        $f(x)$ has to be of the form $$f(x)=a(x-alpha)^2(x-beta)=ax^3-a(beta+2alpha)x^2+aalpha(alpha+2beta)x-aalpha^2beta$$ where $a (not=0),beta+2alpha,alpha(alpha+2beta)$ and $alpha^2beta$ are rational with $alphanot=beta$.



        $beta+2alpha$ is rational, so if $beta$ is rational, then $alpha$ is rational. So, (b)(c) are incorrect.



        Here, let $$s=beta+2alpha,qquad t=alpha(alpha+2beta),qquad u=alpha^2beta$$
        where $s,t,u$ are rational.



        Since $beta=s-2alpha$, we get
        $$t=alpha(alpha+2s-4alpha),qquad u=alpha^2(s-2alpha),$$
        i.e.
        $$alpha^2=frac{2salpha-t}{3},qquad alpha^2(2alpha-s)+u=0$$
        Substituting the former into the latter gives
        $$frac{2salpha-t}{3}(2alpha-s)+u=0,$$
        i.e.
        $$4salpha^2-2s^2alpha-2talpha+st+3u=0,$$
        i.e.
        $$4sfrac{2salpha-t}{3}-2s^2alpha-2talpha+st+3u=0,$$
        i.e.
        $$(s^2-3t)alpha=frac{st-9u}{2}$$



        If $s^2-3t=0$, then we have $st-9u=0$. So, $3t=s^2,27u=3st=s^3$ to have
        $$s=beta+2alpha,qquad s^2=3alpha(alpha+2beta),qquad s^3=27alpha^2beta$$
        So, we have
        $$(beta+2alpha)times 3alpha(alpha+2beta)=27alpha^2beta$$$$implies 6alpha(alpha-beta)^2=0implies alpha=0$$since $alphanot=beta$. So, both $alpha$ and $beta$ are rational.



        If $s^2-3tnot =0$, then both $alpha$ and $beta$ are rational.



        Therefore, we see that both $alpha$ and $beta$ are rational.



        It follows that (a) is correct.





        For 3.



        What you've done looks correct to me.



        (It should be better to start with $f(x)=a(x-alpha)^3(x-beta)^3$ where $a (not=0)$ is rational and write "we may assume that $alphaltbeta$".)






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        For 1.



        In your approach, it is not true in general that




        This implies that $f(x)$ will have irrational coefficients




        As LutzL comments, $f(x)=(x^3-2)^2$ satisfies our conditions since this can be written as $f(x)=(x-sqrt[3]{2})^2(x^2+sqrt[3]2 x+sqrt[3]4)^2$ where $sqrt[3]2$ is irrational. Also, $f(x)=(x-1)^2$ satisfies our conditions. So, (b) is correct.





        For 2.



        $f(x)$ has to be of the form $$f(x)=a(x-alpha)^2(x-beta)=ax^3-a(beta+2alpha)x^2+aalpha(alpha+2beta)x-aalpha^2beta$$ where $a (not=0),beta+2alpha,alpha(alpha+2beta)$ and $alpha^2beta$ are rational with $alphanot=beta$.



        $beta+2alpha$ is rational, so if $beta$ is rational, then $alpha$ is rational. So, (b)(c) are incorrect.



        Here, let $$s=beta+2alpha,qquad t=alpha(alpha+2beta),qquad u=alpha^2beta$$
        where $s,t,u$ are rational.



        Since $beta=s-2alpha$, we get
        $$t=alpha(alpha+2s-4alpha),qquad u=alpha^2(s-2alpha),$$
        i.e.
        $$alpha^2=frac{2salpha-t}{3},qquad alpha^2(2alpha-s)+u=0$$
        Substituting the former into the latter gives
        $$frac{2salpha-t}{3}(2alpha-s)+u=0,$$
        i.e.
        $$4salpha^2-2s^2alpha-2talpha+st+3u=0,$$
        i.e.
        $$4sfrac{2salpha-t}{3}-2s^2alpha-2talpha+st+3u=0,$$
        i.e.
        $$(s^2-3t)alpha=frac{st-9u}{2}$$



        If $s^2-3t=0$, then we have $st-9u=0$. So, $3t=s^2,27u=3st=s^3$ to have
        $$s=beta+2alpha,qquad s^2=3alpha(alpha+2beta),qquad s^3=27alpha^2beta$$
        So, we have
        $$(beta+2alpha)times 3alpha(alpha+2beta)=27alpha^2beta$$$$implies 6alpha(alpha-beta)^2=0implies alpha=0$$since $alphanot=beta$. So, both $alpha$ and $beta$ are rational.



        If $s^2-3tnot =0$, then both $alpha$ and $beta$ are rational.



        Therefore, we see that both $alpha$ and $beta$ are rational.



        It follows that (a) is correct.





        For 3.



        What you've done looks correct to me.



        (It should be better to start with $f(x)=a(x-alpha)^3(x-beta)^3$ where $a (not=0)$ is rational and write "we may assume that $alphaltbeta$".)







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