Adjusting the spaces to look better?
The following output looks so dense. Could you make it more loose in both vertical and horizontal?
MWE
documentclass[preview,border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
lettempunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{{color{red}temp{{color{black}#1}}_{#2}}}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
Any constructive suggestions, advice, ideas, etc are always welcome!
math-mode spacing
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The following output looks so dense. Could you make it more loose in both vertical and horizontal?
MWE
documentclass[preview,border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
lettempunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{{color{red}temp{{color{black}#1}}_{#2}}}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
Any constructive suggestions, advice, ideas, etc are always welcome!
math-mode spacing
add a comment |
The following output looks so dense. Could you make it more loose in both vertical and horizontal?
MWE
documentclass[preview,border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
lettempunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{{color{red}temp{{color{black}#1}}_{#2}}}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
Any constructive suggestions, advice, ideas, etc are always welcome!
math-mode spacing
The following output looks so dense. Could you make it more loose in both vertical and horizontal?
MWE
documentclass[preview,border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
lettempunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{{color{red}temp{{color{black}#1}}_{#2}}}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
Any constructive suggestions, advice, ideas, etc are always welcome!
math-mode spacing
math-mode spacing
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I'd use mathstrut
to cover the most common cases avoiding phantoms; also textcolor
is better than color
in math mode.
You need to add {}
in front of +
to get decent spacing. I also added a couple of thin spaces for separating the braces.
documentclass[border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
letlatexunderbraceunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{%
{,textcolor{red}{latexunderbrace{textcolor{black}{mathstrut#1}}_{#2}},}%
}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{{}+2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{{}+2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
A slightly better version where the space in front of the + is removed
documentclass[border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
letlatexunderbraceunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{%
{,textcolor{red}{latexunderbrace{textcolor{black}{mathstrut#1}}_{#2}},}%
}
newcommand{hplus}{{mspace{-medmuskip}}+}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{hplus 2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{hplus2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
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documentclass[preview,border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
lettempunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{{color{red}temp{{color{black}{strut}#1{}}}_{#2}}}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
openup1jot
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
{}
so + gets infix spacing, added strut
so the braces are all at same depth, and added openup
to increase the line spacing a bit.
your example doesn't usealign*
??
– David Carlisle
Dec 14 '18 at 18:59
1
@ArtificialStupidity the same, before the environment
– David Carlisle
Dec 14 '18 at 19:55
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I'd use mathstrut
to cover the most common cases avoiding phantoms; also textcolor
is better than color
in math mode.
You need to add {}
in front of +
to get decent spacing. I also added a couple of thin spaces for separating the braces.
documentclass[border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
letlatexunderbraceunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{%
{,textcolor{red}{latexunderbrace{textcolor{black}{mathstrut#1}}_{#2}},}%
}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{{}+2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{{}+2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
A slightly better version where the space in front of the + is removed
documentclass[border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
letlatexunderbraceunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{%
{,textcolor{red}{latexunderbrace{textcolor{black}{mathstrut#1}}_{#2}},}%
}
newcommand{hplus}{{mspace{-medmuskip}}+}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{hplus 2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{hplus2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
add a comment |
I'd use mathstrut
to cover the most common cases avoiding phantoms; also textcolor
is better than color
in math mode.
You need to add {}
in front of +
to get decent spacing. I also added a couple of thin spaces for separating the braces.
documentclass[border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
letlatexunderbraceunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{%
{,textcolor{red}{latexunderbrace{textcolor{black}{mathstrut#1}}_{#2}},}%
}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{{}+2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{{}+2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
A slightly better version where the space in front of the + is removed
documentclass[border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
letlatexunderbraceunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{%
{,textcolor{red}{latexunderbrace{textcolor{black}{mathstrut#1}}_{#2}},}%
}
newcommand{hplus}{{mspace{-medmuskip}}+}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{hplus 2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{hplus2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
add a comment |
I'd use mathstrut
to cover the most common cases avoiding phantoms; also textcolor
is better than color
in math mode.
You need to add {}
in front of +
to get decent spacing. I also added a couple of thin spaces for separating the braces.
documentclass[border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
letlatexunderbraceunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{%
{,textcolor{red}{latexunderbrace{textcolor{black}{mathstrut#1}}_{#2}},}%
}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{{}+2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{{}+2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
A slightly better version where the space in front of the + is removed
documentclass[border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
letlatexunderbraceunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{%
{,textcolor{red}{latexunderbrace{textcolor{black}{mathstrut#1}}_{#2}},}%
}
newcommand{hplus}{{mspace{-medmuskip}}+}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{hplus 2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{hplus2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
I'd use mathstrut
to cover the most common cases avoiding phantoms; also textcolor
is better than color
in math mode.
You need to add {}
in front of +
to get decent spacing. I also added a couple of thin spaces for separating the braces.
documentclass[border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
letlatexunderbraceunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{%
{,textcolor{red}{latexunderbrace{textcolor{black}{mathstrut#1}}_{#2}},}%
}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{{}+2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{{}+2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
A slightly better version where the space in front of the + is removed
documentclass[border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
letlatexunderbraceunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{%
{,textcolor{red}{latexunderbrace{textcolor{black}{mathstrut#1}}_{#2}},}%
}
newcommand{hplus}{{mspace{-medmuskip}}+}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{hplus 2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{hplus2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
answered Dec 14 '18 at 18:43
egreg
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documentclass[preview,border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
lettempunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{{color{red}temp{{color{black}{strut}#1{}}}_{#2}}}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
openup1jot
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
{}
so + gets infix spacing, added strut
so the braces are all at same depth, and added openup
to increase the line spacing a bit.
your example doesn't usealign*
??
– David Carlisle
Dec 14 '18 at 18:59
1
@ArtificialStupidity the same, before the environment
– David Carlisle
Dec 14 '18 at 19:55
add a comment |
documentclass[preview,border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
lettempunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{{color{red}temp{{color{black}{strut}#1{}}}_{#2}}}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
openup1jot
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
{}
so + gets infix spacing, added strut
so the braces are all at same depth, and added openup
to increase the line spacing a bit.
your example doesn't usealign*
??
– David Carlisle
Dec 14 '18 at 18:59
1
@ArtificialStupidity the same, before the environment
– David Carlisle
Dec 14 '18 at 19:55
add a comment |
documentclass[preview,border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
lettempunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{{color{red}temp{{color{black}{strut}#1{}}}_{#2}}}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
openup1jot
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
{}
so + gets infix spacing, added strut
so the braces are all at same depth, and added openup
to increase the line spacing a bit.
documentclass[preview,border=12pt,12pt]{standalone}
usepackage{amsmath,xcolor}
lettempunderbrace
defunderbrace#1_#2{{color{red}temp{{color{black}{strut}#1{}}}_{#2}}}
begin{document}
$displaystyle
openup1jot
begin{aligned}
x^2+6x+10
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} + 10\
&= underbrace{x^2}_{a^2} underbrace{+2x (3)}_{+2ab} underbrace{+(3)^2 -(3)^2}_{+b^2-b^2} +10\
&= underbrace{x^2+2x(3)+(3)^2}_{a^2+2ab+b^2} -(3)^2 +10\
&= underbrace{(x+3)^2}_{(a+b)^2} -9 +10\
&= (x+3)^2+1
end{aligned}
$
end{document}
{}
so + gets infix spacing, added strut
so the braces are all at same depth, and added openup
to increase the line spacing a bit.
answered Dec 14 '18 at 18:41
David Carlisle
483k4011151855
483k4011151855
your example doesn't usealign*
??
– David Carlisle
Dec 14 '18 at 18:59
1
@ArtificialStupidity the same, before the environment
– David Carlisle
Dec 14 '18 at 19:55
add a comment |
your example doesn't usealign*
??
– David Carlisle
Dec 14 '18 at 18:59
1
@ArtificialStupidity the same, before the environment
– David Carlisle
Dec 14 '18 at 19:55
your example doesn't use
align*
??– David Carlisle
Dec 14 '18 at 18:59
your example doesn't use
align*
??– David Carlisle
Dec 14 '18 at 18:59
1
1
@ArtificialStupidity the same, before the environment
– David Carlisle
Dec 14 '18 at 19:55
@ArtificialStupidity the same, before the environment
– David Carlisle
Dec 14 '18 at 19:55
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