Show that $f$ defined on the interval $(a,b)$ is not differentiable for every point in $E$ with $m(E)=0$











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Let $E$ have measure zero contained in the open interval $(a,b)$. In a previous problem I showed that there is a countable collection of open intervals, ${(c_k,d_k)}_k$, contained in $(a,b)$ for which each point in $E$ is contained in infinitely many intervals of the collection and $sum_k |(c_k,d_k)|=sum_kd_k-c_k<infty.$ Define $f(x)=sum_k|(c_k,d_k)cap(-infty,x)|$ for $x in (a,b)$. Show $f$ is increasing and fails to be differentiable for every point in $E$.




The absolute value bars mean measure of the interval. I have already shown $f$ was increasing by showing that if $a le u <v le b$ then $$begin{align} f(v)-f(u) &=sum_k |(c_k,d_k)cap [(-infty,u)cup[u,v)] |-sum_k|(c_k,d_k)cap (-infty,u)|\&=sum_k|(c_k,d_k)cap [u,v)] |ge 0 end{align}$$



Let $D^+f(x)=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h}dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t} right]$ and $D^-f(x)=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[inf_{0<|t|le h}dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t} right]$



To show f is not differentiable at any point in $E$ then I need to show that $D^+f(x) not= D^-f(x)$ for every $x in E$. This is where I am having trouble. First from using what I did above to show that $f$ is increasing I found that for $t>0$



$$ A_t(f(x))= dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t}=dfrac{1}{t}sum_{k=1}^{infty}|(c_k,d_k)cap[x,x+t)| $$



So at this point what we know is that if $xin E$ then $x$ belongs to $(c_k,d_k)$ for infinitely many $k$ and $sum_{k=1}^{infty}|(c_k,d_k)cap[x,x+t)|$ converges since $sum_{k=1}^{infty}|(c_k,d_k)|<infty$. But Im not sure how to find the $sup_{0<|t|le h}$ and $inf_{0<|t|le h}$ of $A_t(f(x))$ I think that $inf_{0<|t|le h}A_t(f(x))=0$ and $sup_{0<|t|le h}A_t(f(x))>0$ but I dont know how to show it.



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Let $E$ have measure zero contained in the open interval $(a,b)$. In a previous problem I showed that there is a countable collection of open intervals, ${(c_k,d_k)}_k$, contained in $(a,b)$ for which each point in $E$ is contained in infinitely many intervals of the collection and $sum_k |(c_k,d_k)|=sum_kd_k-c_k<infty.$ Define $f(x)=sum_k|(c_k,d_k)cap(-infty,x)|$ for $x in (a,b)$. Show $f$ is increasing and fails to be differentiable for every point in $E$.




The absolute value bars mean measure of the interval. I have already shown $f$ was increasing by showing that if $a le u <v le b$ then $$begin{align} f(v)-f(u) &=sum_k |(c_k,d_k)cap [(-infty,u)cup[u,v)] |-sum_k|(c_k,d_k)cap (-infty,u)|\&=sum_k|(c_k,d_k)cap [u,v)] |ge 0 end{align}$$



Let $D^+f(x)=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h}dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t} right]$ and $D^-f(x)=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[inf_{0<|t|le h}dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t} right]$



To show f is not differentiable at any point in $E$ then I need to show that $D^+f(x) not= D^-f(x)$ for every $x in E$. This is where I am having trouble. First from using what I did above to show that $f$ is increasing I found that for $t>0$



$$ A_t(f(x))= dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t}=dfrac{1}{t}sum_{k=1}^{infty}|(c_k,d_k)cap[x,x+t)| $$



So at this point what we know is that if $xin E$ then $x$ belongs to $(c_k,d_k)$ for infinitely many $k$ and $sum_{k=1}^{infty}|(c_k,d_k)cap[x,x+t)|$ converges since $sum_{k=1}^{infty}|(c_k,d_k)|<infty$. But Im not sure how to find the $sup_{0<|t|le h}$ and $inf_{0<|t|le h}$ of $A_t(f(x))$ I think that $inf_{0<|t|le h}A_t(f(x))=0$ and $sup_{0<|t|le h}A_t(f(x))>0$ but I dont know how to show it.



Any help is appreciated, thanks










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Let $E$ have measure zero contained in the open interval $(a,b)$. In a previous problem I showed that there is a countable collection of open intervals, ${(c_k,d_k)}_k$, contained in $(a,b)$ for which each point in $E$ is contained in infinitely many intervals of the collection and $sum_k |(c_k,d_k)|=sum_kd_k-c_k<infty.$ Define $f(x)=sum_k|(c_k,d_k)cap(-infty,x)|$ for $x in (a,b)$. Show $f$ is increasing and fails to be differentiable for every point in $E$.




The absolute value bars mean measure of the interval. I have already shown $f$ was increasing by showing that if $a le u <v le b$ then $$begin{align} f(v)-f(u) &=sum_k |(c_k,d_k)cap [(-infty,u)cup[u,v)] |-sum_k|(c_k,d_k)cap (-infty,u)|\&=sum_k|(c_k,d_k)cap [u,v)] |ge 0 end{align}$$



Let $D^+f(x)=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h}dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t} right]$ and $D^-f(x)=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[inf_{0<|t|le h}dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t} right]$



To show f is not differentiable at any point in $E$ then I need to show that $D^+f(x) not= D^-f(x)$ for every $x in E$. This is where I am having trouble. First from using what I did above to show that $f$ is increasing I found that for $t>0$



$$ A_t(f(x))= dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t}=dfrac{1}{t}sum_{k=1}^{infty}|(c_k,d_k)cap[x,x+t)| $$



So at this point what we know is that if $xin E$ then $x$ belongs to $(c_k,d_k)$ for infinitely many $k$ and $sum_{k=1}^{infty}|(c_k,d_k)cap[x,x+t)|$ converges since $sum_{k=1}^{infty}|(c_k,d_k)|<infty$. But Im not sure how to find the $sup_{0<|t|le h}$ and $inf_{0<|t|le h}$ of $A_t(f(x))$ I think that $inf_{0<|t|le h}A_t(f(x))=0$ and $sup_{0<|t|le h}A_t(f(x))>0$ but I dont know how to show it.



Any help is appreciated, thanks










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Let $E$ have measure zero contained in the open interval $(a,b)$. In a previous problem I showed that there is a countable collection of open intervals, ${(c_k,d_k)}_k$, contained in $(a,b)$ for which each point in $E$ is contained in infinitely many intervals of the collection and $sum_k |(c_k,d_k)|=sum_kd_k-c_k<infty.$ Define $f(x)=sum_k|(c_k,d_k)cap(-infty,x)|$ for $x in (a,b)$. Show $f$ is increasing and fails to be differentiable for every point in $E$.




The absolute value bars mean measure of the interval. I have already shown $f$ was increasing by showing that if $a le u <v le b$ then $$begin{align} f(v)-f(u) &=sum_k |(c_k,d_k)cap [(-infty,u)cup[u,v)] |-sum_k|(c_k,d_k)cap (-infty,u)|\&=sum_k|(c_k,d_k)cap [u,v)] |ge 0 end{align}$$



Let $D^+f(x)=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h}dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t} right]$ and $D^-f(x)=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[inf_{0<|t|le h}dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t} right]$



To show f is not differentiable at any point in $E$ then I need to show that $D^+f(x) not= D^-f(x)$ for every $x in E$. This is where I am having trouble. First from using what I did above to show that $f$ is increasing I found that for $t>0$



$$ A_t(f(x))= dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t}=dfrac{1}{t}sum_{k=1}^{infty}|(c_k,d_k)cap[x,x+t)| $$



So at this point what we know is that if $xin E$ then $x$ belongs to $(c_k,d_k)$ for infinitely many $k$ and $sum_{k=1}^{infty}|(c_k,d_k)cap[x,x+t)|$ converges since $sum_{k=1}^{infty}|(c_k,d_k)|<infty$. But Im not sure how to find the $sup_{0<|t|le h}$ and $inf_{0<|t|le h}$ of $A_t(f(x))$ I think that $inf_{0<|t|le h}A_t(f(x))=0$ and $sup_{0<|t|le h}A_t(f(x))>0$ but I dont know how to show it.



Any help is appreciated, thanks







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  • $D^+f(x)$ does not converge, as $x in E$ belongs to infinite $(c_k, d_k)$,
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$D^+f(x)$ does not converge, as $x in E$ belongs to infinite $(c_k, d_k)$,
– Zhuanghua Liu
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I don't know if you are still seeking for the answer (probably not...), but here's my try.



Indeed, I cannot figure out the supremum and the infimum from what you got. Let's think about it differently.



Let ${k_1,k_2,...,k_n,...}$ be the collection of natural numbers for which $xin I_k:=(c_k,d_k)$. Let $Nin mathbb{N}$ be such that $k_{N}$ is in the latter enumeration. Then, $xin I_{k_1}cap I_{k_2}cap...cap I_{k_N}$. We know that finite intersections of open sets is open. Therefore, the latter finite intersection is open. This means we can pick an $epsilon_N>0$ small enough for $x+epsilon_N$ to remain in the intersection. Consequently, $[x,x+epsilon_N)subset I_{k_1}cap I_{k_2}cap...cap I_{k_N}$. In particular, this means that the $N^{th}$-partial sum of $f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)$ is



begin{equation}
[f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)]_N=sum_{k=1}^{N}ell((c_k,d_k)cap [x,x+epsilon_N))=sum_{k=1}^{N}epsilon_N=Nepsilon_N.
end{equation}



Hence, we observe that $f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)ge Nepsilon_N$. Finally, we see that



begin{equation}
begin{split}
D^+f(x)&=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h}dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t} right]gelim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h} dfrac{f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)}{t}right]\&=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h} dfrac{Nepsilon_N}{t}right]ge N.
end{split}
end{equation}



But recall that $N$ can be arbitrarily large based on the fact that $xin I_k$ for infinitely many $k$. This tells us that $D^+f(x)$ is unbounded. Zhuanghua Liu gave you the correct hint :)






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    I don't know if you are still seeking for the answer (probably not...), but here's my try.



    Indeed, I cannot figure out the supremum and the infimum from what you got. Let's think about it differently.



    Let ${k_1,k_2,...,k_n,...}$ be the collection of natural numbers for which $xin I_k:=(c_k,d_k)$. Let $Nin mathbb{N}$ be such that $k_{N}$ is in the latter enumeration. Then, $xin I_{k_1}cap I_{k_2}cap...cap I_{k_N}$. We know that finite intersections of open sets is open. Therefore, the latter finite intersection is open. This means we can pick an $epsilon_N>0$ small enough for $x+epsilon_N$ to remain in the intersection. Consequently, $[x,x+epsilon_N)subset I_{k_1}cap I_{k_2}cap...cap I_{k_N}$. In particular, this means that the $N^{th}$-partial sum of $f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)$ is



    begin{equation}
    [f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)]_N=sum_{k=1}^{N}ell((c_k,d_k)cap [x,x+epsilon_N))=sum_{k=1}^{N}epsilon_N=Nepsilon_N.
    end{equation}



    Hence, we observe that $f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)ge Nepsilon_N$. Finally, we see that



    begin{equation}
    begin{split}
    D^+f(x)&=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h}dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t} right]gelim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h} dfrac{f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)}{t}right]\&=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h} dfrac{Nepsilon_N}{t}right]ge N.
    end{split}
    end{equation}



    But recall that $N$ can be arbitrarily large based on the fact that $xin I_k$ for infinitely many $k$. This tells us that $D^+f(x)$ is unbounded. Zhuanghua Liu gave you the correct hint :)






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      I don't know if you are still seeking for the answer (probably not...), but here's my try.



      Indeed, I cannot figure out the supremum and the infimum from what you got. Let's think about it differently.



      Let ${k_1,k_2,...,k_n,...}$ be the collection of natural numbers for which $xin I_k:=(c_k,d_k)$. Let $Nin mathbb{N}$ be such that $k_{N}$ is in the latter enumeration. Then, $xin I_{k_1}cap I_{k_2}cap...cap I_{k_N}$. We know that finite intersections of open sets is open. Therefore, the latter finite intersection is open. This means we can pick an $epsilon_N>0$ small enough for $x+epsilon_N$ to remain in the intersection. Consequently, $[x,x+epsilon_N)subset I_{k_1}cap I_{k_2}cap...cap I_{k_N}$. In particular, this means that the $N^{th}$-partial sum of $f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)$ is



      begin{equation}
      [f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)]_N=sum_{k=1}^{N}ell((c_k,d_k)cap [x,x+epsilon_N))=sum_{k=1}^{N}epsilon_N=Nepsilon_N.
      end{equation}



      Hence, we observe that $f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)ge Nepsilon_N$. Finally, we see that



      begin{equation}
      begin{split}
      D^+f(x)&=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h}dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t} right]gelim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h} dfrac{f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)}{t}right]\&=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h} dfrac{Nepsilon_N}{t}right]ge N.
      end{split}
      end{equation}



      But recall that $N$ can be arbitrarily large based on the fact that $xin I_k$ for infinitely many $k$. This tells us that $D^+f(x)$ is unbounded. Zhuanghua Liu gave you the correct hint :)






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        I don't know if you are still seeking for the answer (probably not...), but here's my try.



        Indeed, I cannot figure out the supremum and the infimum from what you got. Let's think about it differently.



        Let ${k_1,k_2,...,k_n,...}$ be the collection of natural numbers for which $xin I_k:=(c_k,d_k)$. Let $Nin mathbb{N}$ be such that $k_{N}$ is in the latter enumeration. Then, $xin I_{k_1}cap I_{k_2}cap...cap I_{k_N}$. We know that finite intersections of open sets is open. Therefore, the latter finite intersection is open. This means we can pick an $epsilon_N>0$ small enough for $x+epsilon_N$ to remain in the intersection. Consequently, $[x,x+epsilon_N)subset I_{k_1}cap I_{k_2}cap...cap I_{k_N}$. In particular, this means that the $N^{th}$-partial sum of $f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)$ is



        begin{equation}
        [f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)]_N=sum_{k=1}^{N}ell((c_k,d_k)cap [x,x+epsilon_N))=sum_{k=1}^{N}epsilon_N=Nepsilon_N.
        end{equation}



        Hence, we observe that $f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)ge Nepsilon_N$. Finally, we see that



        begin{equation}
        begin{split}
        D^+f(x)&=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h}dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t} right]gelim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h} dfrac{f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)}{t}right]\&=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h} dfrac{Nepsilon_N}{t}right]ge N.
        end{split}
        end{equation}



        But recall that $N$ can be arbitrarily large based on the fact that $xin I_k$ for infinitely many $k$. This tells us that $D^+f(x)$ is unbounded. Zhuanghua Liu gave you the correct hint :)






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        I don't know if you are still seeking for the answer (probably not...), but here's my try.



        Indeed, I cannot figure out the supremum and the infimum from what you got. Let's think about it differently.



        Let ${k_1,k_2,...,k_n,...}$ be the collection of natural numbers for which $xin I_k:=(c_k,d_k)$. Let $Nin mathbb{N}$ be such that $k_{N}$ is in the latter enumeration. Then, $xin I_{k_1}cap I_{k_2}cap...cap I_{k_N}$. We know that finite intersections of open sets is open. Therefore, the latter finite intersection is open. This means we can pick an $epsilon_N>0$ small enough for $x+epsilon_N$ to remain in the intersection. Consequently, $[x,x+epsilon_N)subset I_{k_1}cap I_{k_2}cap...cap I_{k_N}$. In particular, this means that the $N^{th}$-partial sum of $f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)$ is



        begin{equation}
        [f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)]_N=sum_{k=1}^{N}ell((c_k,d_k)cap [x,x+epsilon_N))=sum_{k=1}^{N}epsilon_N=Nepsilon_N.
        end{equation}



        Hence, we observe that $f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)ge Nepsilon_N$. Finally, we see that



        begin{equation}
        begin{split}
        D^+f(x)&=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h}dfrac{f(x+t)-f(x)}{t} right]gelim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h} dfrac{f(x+epsilon_N)-f(x)}{t}right]\&=lim_{hrightarrow 0}left[sup_{0<|t|le h} dfrac{Nepsilon_N}{t}right]ge N.
        end{split}
        end{equation}



        But recall that $N$ can be arbitrarily large based on the fact that $xin I_k$ for infinitely many $k$. This tells us that $D^+f(x)$ is unbounded. Zhuanghua Liu gave you the correct hint :)







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