Probability of sum 15 when roll 3rd dice, and first roll of 2 dice at least 10











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enter image description hereTwo dice have been thown, giving a total of at least 10.
What is the probability that the throw of a third die
will bring the total of the three numbers shown to 15 or higher?
I work out is 2/27. but physicsandmathstutor.com give a solution is 4/9.
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  • The answer must be at least $frac26$ since the third die being $5$ or $6$ would be sufficient in every case
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What is the probability that the throw of a third die
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I work out is 2/27. but physicsandmathstutor.com give a solution is 4/9.
i wander if you can help and explain in details. thanks










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What is the probability that the throw of a third die
will bring the total of the three numbers shown to 15 or higher?
I work out is 2/27. but physicsandmathstutor.com give a solution is 4/9.
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What is the probability that the throw of a third die
will bring the total of the three numbers shown to 15 or higher?
I work out is 2/27. but physicsandmathstutor.com give a solution is 4/9.
i wander if you can help and explain in details. thanks







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    For example, how did you get $frac 2{27}$? Could you sketch your method?
    – lulu
    Nov 19 at 0:12










  • The answer must be at least $frac26$ since the third die being $5$ or $6$ would be sufficient in every case
    – Henry
    Nov 19 at 0:13


















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    For example, how did you get $frac 2{27}$? Could you sketch your method?
    – lulu
    Nov 19 at 0:12










  • The answer must be at least $frac26$ since the third die being $5$ or $6$ would be sufficient in every case
    – Henry
    Nov 19 at 0:13
















Welcome to MSE. It will be more likely that you will get an answer if you show us that you made an effort. This should be added to the question rather than in the comments.
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For example, how did you get $frac 2{27}$? Could you sketch your method?
– lulu
Nov 19 at 0:12




For example, how did you get $frac 2{27}$? Could you sketch your method?
– lulu
Nov 19 at 0:12












The answer must be at least $frac26$ since the third die being $5$ or $6$ would be sufficient in every case
– Henry
Nov 19 at 0:13




The answer must be at least $frac26$ since the third die being $5$ or $6$ would be sufficient in every case
– Henry
Nov 19 at 0:13










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Hint: I suggest a Probability Tree with total values then if it is 15 or more as the second branch. Calculate the probabilities individually. This should help clear any doubt you have with your answer.






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    if you list all possible events is 16, over sample space 216 events. 16/216 = 2/27




    D1 D2 D3
    1 4 -> 6 => 5
    2 4 -> 6 => 6
    3 5 -> 5 => 5
    4 5 -> 5 => 6
    5 6 -> 4 => 5
    6 6 -> 4 => 6
    7 5 -> 6 => 4
    8 5 -> 6 => 5
    9 5 -> 6 => 6
    10 6 -> 5 => 4
    11 6 -> 5 => 5
    12 6 -> 5 => 6
    13 6 -> 6 => 3
    14 6 -> 6 => 4
    15 6 -> 6 => 5
    16 6 -> 6 => 6


    for people think use conditional probability, I think the wrong part is use probabilty 1/6 for two dice sum 10, applies to each event.






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      Let $A$ be the event "total of the three numbers shown to 15 or higher", $B_1$ be the event "total of first two is 10", $B_2$ be the event "total of first two is 11", $B_3$ be the event "total of first two is 12". We have
      begin{align}
      P(B_1) = 3/6^2\
      P(B_2) = 2/6^2\
      P(B_3) = 1/6^2
      end{align}

      If $B$ is the event "total of first two is at least 10", then $P(B_1|B)=1/2$, $P(B_2|B)=1/3$ and $P(B_3|B)=1/6$. Finally
      begin{align}
      P(A|B)&=P(A|B_1,B)P(B_1|B)+P(A|B_2,B)P(B_2|B)+P(A|B_3,B)P(B_3|B)\
      &=1/3times1/2+1/2times1/3+2/3times1/6=4/9
      end{align}






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      • I think B1 be the event "total of first two is 10" P(B1) = 3/(6x6) = 3/36 ?
        – Jan Jin
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      • yup that was a typo
        – dynamic89
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      Hint: I suggest a Probability Tree with total values then if it is 15 or more as the second branch. Calculate the probabilities individually. This should help clear any doubt you have with your answer.






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        Hint: I suggest a Probability Tree with total values then if it is 15 or more as the second branch. Calculate the probabilities individually. This should help clear any doubt you have with your answer.






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          Hint: I suggest a Probability Tree with total values then if it is 15 or more as the second branch. Calculate the probabilities individually. This should help clear any doubt you have with your answer.






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          Hint: I suggest a Probability Tree with total values then if it is 15 or more as the second branch. Calculate the probabilities individually. This should help clear any doubt you have with your answer.







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              if you list all possible events is 16, over sample space 216 events. 16/216 = 2/27




              D1 D2 D3
              1 4 -> 6 => 5
              2 4 -> 6 => 6
              3 5 -> 5 => 5
              4 5 -> 5 => 6
              5 6 -> 4 => 5
              6 6 -> 4 => 6
              7 5 -> 6 => 4
              8 5 -> 6 => 5
              9 5 -> 6 => 6
              10 6 -> 5 => 4
              11 6 -> 5 => 5
              12 6 -> 5 => 6
              13 6 -> 6 => 3
              14 6 -> 6 => 4
              15 6 -> 6 => 5
              16 6 -> 6 => 6


              for people think use conditional probability, I think the wrong part is use probabilty 1/6 for two dice sum 10, applies to each event.






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                if you list all possible events is 16, over sample space 216 events. 16/216 = 2/27




                D1 D2 D3
                1 4 -> 6 => 5
                2 4 -> 6 => 6
                3 5 -> 5 => 5
                4 5 -> 5 => 6
                5 6 -> 4 => 5
                6 6 -> 4 => 6
                7 5 -> 6 => 4
                8 5 -> 6 => 5
                9 5 -> 6 => 6
                10 6 -> 5 => 4
                11 6 -> 5 => 5
                12 6 -> 5 => 6
                13 6 -> 6 => 3
                14 6 -> 6 => 4
                15 6 -> 6 => 5
                16 6 -> 6 => 6


                for people think use conditional probability, I think the wrong part is use probabilty 1/6 for two dice sum 10, applies to each event.






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                  if you list all possible events is 16, over sample space 216 events. 16/216 = 2/27




                  D1 D2 D3
                  1 4 -> 6 => 5
                  2 4 -> 6 => 6
                  3 5 -> 5 => 5
                  4 5 -> 5 => 6
                  5 6 -> 4 => 5
                  6 6 -> 4 => 6
                  7 5 -> 6 => 4
                  8 5 -> 6 => 5
                  9 5 -> 6 => 6
                  10 6 -> 5 => 4
                  11 6 -> 5 => 5
                  12 6 -> 5 => 6
                  13 6 -> 6 => 3
                  14 6 -> 6 => 4
                  15 6 -> 6 => 5
                  16 6 -> 6 => 6


                  for people think use conditional probability, I think the wrong part is use probabilty 1/6 for two dice sum 10, applies to each event.






                  share|cite|improve this answer












                  if you list all possible events is 16, over sample space 216 events. 16/216 = 2/27




                  D1 D2 D3
                  1 4 -> 6 => 5
                  2 4 -> 6 => 6
                  3 5 -> 5 => 5
                  4 5 -> 5 => 6
                  5 6 -> 4 => 5
                  6 6 -> 4 => 6
                  7 5 -> 6 => 4
                  8 5 -> 6 => 5
                  9 5 -> 6 => 6
                  10 6 -> 5 => 4
                  11 6 -> 5 => 5
                  12 6 -> 5 => 6
                  13 6 -> 6 => 3
                  14 6 -> 6 => 4
                  15 6 -> 6 => 5
                  16 6 -> 6 => 6


                  for people think use conditional probability, I think the wrong part is use probabilty 1/6 for two dice sum 10, applies to each event.







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                      Let $A$ be the event "total of the three numbers shown to 15 or higher", $B_1$ be the event "total of first two is 10", $B_2$ be the event "total of first two is 11", $B_3$ be the event "total of first two is 12". We have
                      begin{align}
                      P(B_1) = 3/6^2\
                      P(B_2) = 2/6^2\
                      P(B_3) = 1/6^2
                      end{align}

                      If $B$ is the event "total of first two is at least 10", then $P(B_1|B)=1/2$, $P(B_2|B)=1/3$ and $P(B_3|B)=1/6$. Finally
                      begin{align}
                      P(A|B)&=P(A|B_1,B)P(B_1|B)+P(A|B_2,B)P(B_2|B)+P(A|B_3,B)P(B_3|B)\
                      &=1/3times1/2+1/2times1/3+2/3times1/6=4/9
                      end{align}






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                      • I think B1 be the event "total of first two is 10" P(B1) = 3/(6x6) = 3/36 ?
                        – Jan Jin
                        Nov 19 at 20:43










                      • yup that was a typo
                        – dynamic89
                        Nov 19 at 21:13















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                      Let $A$ be the event "total of the three numbers shown to 15 or higher", $B_1$ be the event "total of first two is 10", $B_2$ be the event "total of first two is 11", $B_3$ be the event "total of first two is 12". We have
                      begin{align}
                      P(B_1) = 3/6^2\
                      P(B_2) = 2/6^2\
                      P(B_3) = 1/6^2
                      end{align}

                      If $B$ is the event "total of first two is at least 10", then $P(B_1|B)=1/2$, $P(B_2|B)=1/3$ and $P(B_3|B)=1/6$. Finally
                      begin{align}
                      P(A|B)&=P(A|B_1,B)P(B_1|B)+P(A|B_2,B)P(B_2|B)+P(A|B_3,B)P(B_3|B)\
                      &=1/3times1/2+1/2times1/3+2/3times1/6=4/9
                      end{align}






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                      • I think B1 be the event "total of first two is 10" P(B1) = 3/(6x6) = 3/36 ?
                        – Jan Jin
                        Nov 19 at 20:43










                      • yup that was a typo
                        – dynamic89
                        Nov 19 at 21:13













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                      Let $A$ be the event "total of the three numbers shown to 15 or higher", $B_1$ be the event "total of first two is 10", $B_2$ be the event "total of first two is 11", $B_3$ be the event "total of first two is 12". We have
                      begin{align}
                      P(B_1) = 3/6^2\
                      P(B_2) = 2/6^2\
                      P(B_3) = 1/6^2
                      end{align}

                      If $B$ is the event "total of first two is at least 10", then $P(B_1|B)=1/2$, $P(B_2|B)=1/3$ and $P(B_3|B)=1/6$. Finally
                      begin{align}
                      P(A|B)&=P(A|B_1,B)P(B_1|B)+P(A|B_2,B)P(B_2|B)+P(A|B_3,B)P(B_3|B)\
                      &=1/3times1/2+1/2times1/3+2/3times1/6=4/9
                      end{align}






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                      Let $A$ be the event "total of the three numbers shown to 15 or higher", $B_1$ be the event "total of first two is 10", $B_2$ be the event "total of first two is 11", $B_3$ be the event "total of first two is 12". We have
                      begin{align}
                      P(B_1) = 3/6^2\
                      P(B_2) = 2/6^2\
                      P(B_3) = 1/6^2
                      end{align}

                      If $B$ is the event "total of first two is at least 10", then $P(B_1|B)=1/2$, $P(B_2|B)=1/3$ and $P(B_3|B)=1/6$. Finally
                      begin{align}
                      P(A|B)&=P(A|B_1,B)P(B_1|B)+P(A|B_2,B)P(B_2|B)+P(A|B_3,B)P(B_3|B)\
                      &=1/3times1/2+1/2times1/3+2/3times1/6=4/9
                      end{align}







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                      • I think B1 be the event "total of first two is 10" P(B1) = 3/(6x6) = 3/36 ?
                        – Jan Jin
                        Nov 19 at 20:43










                      • yup that was a typo
                        – dynamic89
                        Nov 19 at 21:13


















                      • I think B1 be the event "total of first two is 10" P(B1) = 3/(6x6) = 3/36 ?
                        – Jan Jin
                        Nov 19 at 20:43










                      • yup that was a typo
                        – dynamic89
                        Nov 19 at 21:13
















                      I think B1 be the event "total of first two is 10" P(B1) = 3/(6x6) = 3/36 ?
                      – Jan Jin
                      Nov 19 at 20:43




                      I think B1 be the event "total of first two is 10" P(B1) = 3/(6x6) = 3/36 ?
                      – Jan Jin
                      Nov 19 at 20:43












                      yup that was a typo
                      – dynamic89
                      Nov 19 at 21:13




                      yup that was a typo
                      – dynamic89
                      Nov 19 at 21:13


















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