Double integral involving the normal CDF












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I need to compute (or best approximate?) the following integral



$$int_0^infty int_0^infty (1 + alpha u)^{-1}(1 + v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) text{d}u text{d}v,qquad gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R}, quad alpha in mathbb{N}^*,$$
where $Phi(cdot)$ is the standard normal cumulative distribution function and $alpha$ is typically a large natural number. What strategy would you advise for this?



I don't know if this is helpful but I can also reformulate my problem (up to multiplicative constants) as computing the following expectation:



$$text{E}left{ Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + X^2Y^2}}right)right},qquad gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
where
$$X sim text{Half-Cauchy}(0,1), qquad Y sim text{Half-Cauchy}(0,alpha^{-1/2}), quad alpha in mathbb{N}^* , (text{large}).$$



EDIT: I made a mistake in the first integral, it should be:



$$int_0^infty int_0^infty (1 + alpha x^2)^{-1}(1 + y^2)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + x^2y^2}}right) text{d}x text{d}y,quad gamma > 0, beta in mathbb{R}, alpha in mathbb{N}^*, text{(large)},$$
which now corresponds to the above expectation.



EDIT 2: Another way to solve my problem would be to characterise the difference (hopefully small?)
$$text{E}left{ Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + X^2Y^2}}right)right} - Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma}}right),qquad gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
would it be sensible to approximate the difference
$$Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + X^2Y^2}}right) - Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma}}right),$$
with a Taylor series in zero or is this unreasonable given that the half-Cauchy distributions are heavy-tailed?










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    I would advise studying the asymptotic behavior, because this integral diverges.
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    – whuber
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    Thanks for your point, I actually made a mistake in the first integral, very sorry about this. I have edited the question.
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    – user79097
    Mar 8 at 12:48






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    I think it would help to present the original version of this problem. This integral does not seem straightforward to evaluate using any other approach than brute force numerical quadrature, and I suspect that you have made a reformulation which is not necessarily helpful.
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    – Martin L
    Mar 8 at 16:19










  • $begingroup$
    You are probably right, in fact the original problem corresponds to that of the expectation above, with X and Y having their respective half-Cauchy distribution... I should probably have stated the problem directly in this way. Does this make you think of any other strategy?
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    – user79097
    Mar 9 at 6:46










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    A more promising approach is to integrate by parts in order to introduce a Gaussian into the integrand. How to proceed from there depends on the size of $beta/sqrt{gamma}.$
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    – whuber
    Mar 9 at 15:43
















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I need to compute (or best approximate?) the following integral



$$int_0^infty int_0^infty (1 + alpha u)^{-1}(1 + v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) text{d}u text{d}v,qquad gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R}, quad alpha in mathbb{N}^*,$$
where $Phi(cdot)$ is the standard normal cumulative distribution function and $alpha$ is typically a large natural number. What strategy would you advise for this?



I don't know if this is helpful but I can also reformulate my problem (up to multiplicative constants) as computing the following expectation:



$$text{E}left{ Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + X^2Y^2}}right)right},qquad gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
where
$$X sim text{Half-Cauchy}(0,1), qquad Y sim text{Half-Cauchy}(0,alpha^{-1/2}), quad alpha in mathbb{N}^* , (text{large}).$$



EDIT: I made a mistake in the first integral, it should be:



$$int_0^infty int_0^infty (1 + alpha x^2)^{-1}(1 + y^2)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + x^2y^2}}right) text{d}x text{d}y,quad gamma > 0, beta in mathbb{R}, alpha in mathbb{N}^*, text{(large)},$$
which now corresponds to the above expectation.



EDIT 2: Another way to solve my problem would be to characterise the difference (hopefully small?)
$$text{E}left{ Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + X^2Y^2}}right)right} - Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma}}right),qquad gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
would it be sensible to approximate the difference
$$Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + X^2Y^2}}right) - Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma}}right),$$
with a Taylor series in zero or is this unreasonable given that the half-Cauchy distributions are heavy-tailed?










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    I would advise studying the asymptotic behavior, because this integral diverges.
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    – whuber
    Mar 8 at 12:13










  • $begingroup$
    Thanks for your point, I actually made a mistake in the first integral, very sorry about this. I have edited the question.
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    Mar 8 at 12:48






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    I think it would help to present the original version of this problem. This integral does not seem straightforward to evaluate using any other approach than brute force numerical quadrature, and I suspect that you have made a reformulation which is not necessarily helpful.
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    – Martin L
    Mar 8 at 16:19










  • $begingroup$
    You are probably right, in fact the original problem corresponds to that of the expectation above, with X and Y having their respective half-Cauchy distribution... I should probably have stated the problem directly in this way. Does this make you think of any other strategy?
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    Mar 9 at 6:46










  • $begingroup$
    A more promising approach is to integrate by parts in order to introduce a Gaussian into the integrand. How to proceed from there depends on the size of $beta/sqrt{gamma}.$
    $endgroup$
    – whuber
    Mar 9 at 15:43














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I need to compute (or best approximate?) the following integral



$$int_0^infty int_0^infty (1 + alpha u)^{-1}(1 + v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) text{d}u text{d}v,qquad gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R}, quad alpha in mathbb{N}^*,$$
where $Phi(cdot)$ is the standard normal cumulative distribution function and $alpha$ is typically a large natural number. What strategy would you advise for this?



I don't know if this is helpful but I can also reformulate my problem (up to multiplicative constants) as computing the following expectation:



$$text{E}left{ Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + X^2Y^2}}right)right},qquad gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
where
$$X sim text{Half-Cauchy}(0,1), qquad Y sim text{Half-Cauchy}(0,alpha^{-1/2}), quad alpha in mathbb{N}^* , (text{large}).$$



EDIT: I made a mistake in the first integral, it should be:



$$int_0^infty int_0^infty (1 + alpha x^2)^{-1}(1 + y^2)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + x^2y^2}}right) text{d}x text{d}y,quad gamma > 0, beta in mathbb{R}, alpha in mathbb{N}^*, text{(large)},$$
which now corresponds to the above expectation.



EDIT 2: Another way to solve my problem would be to characterise the difference (hopefully small?)
$$text{E}left{ Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + X^2Y^2}}right)right} - Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma}}right),qquad gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
would it be sensible to approximate the difference
$$Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + X^2Y^2}}right) - Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma}}right),$$
with a Taylor series in zero or is this unreasonable given that the half-Cauchy distributions are heavy-tailed?










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I need to compute (or best approximate?) the following integral



$$int_0^infty int_0^infty (1 + alpha u)^{-1}(1 + v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) text{d}u text{d}v,qquad gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R}, quad alpha in mathbb{N}^*,$$
where $Phi(cdot)$ is the standard normal cumulative distribution function and $alpha$ is typically a large natural number. What strategy would you advise for this?



I don't know if this is helpful but I can also reformulate my problem (up to multiplicative constants) as computing the following expectation:



$$text{E}left{ Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + X^2Y^2}}right)right},qquad gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
where
$$X sim text{Half-Cauchy}(0,1), qquad Y sim text{Half-Cauchy}(0,alpha^{-1/2}), quad alpha in mathbb{N}^* , (text{large}).$$



EDIT: I made a mistake in the first integral, it should be:



$$int_0^infty int_0^infty (1 + alpha x^2)^{-1}(1 + y^2)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + x^2y^2}}right) text{d}x text{d}y,quad gamma > 0, beta in mathbb{R}, alpha in mathbb{N}^*, text{(large)},$$
which now corresponds to the above expectation.



EDIT 2: Another way to solve my problem would be to characterise the difference (hopefully small?)
$$text{E}left{ Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + X^2Y^2}}right)right} - Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma}}right),qquad gamma > 0, quad beta in mathbb{R},$$
would it be sensible to approximate the difference
$$Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + X^2Y^2}}right) - Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma}}right),$$
with a Taylor series in zero or is this unreasonable given that the half-Cauchy distributions are heavy-tailed?







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    I would advise studying the asymptotic behavior, because this integral diverges.
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    – whuber
    Mar 8 at 12:13










  • $begingroup$
    Thanks for your point, I actually made a mistake in the first integral, very sorry about this. I have edited the question.
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    Mar 8 at 12:48






  • 1




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    I think it would help to present the original version of this problem. This integral does not seem straightforward to evaluate using any other approach than brute force numerical quadrature, and I suspect that you have made a reformulation which is not necessarily helpful.
    $endgroup$
    – Martin L
    Mar 8 at 16:19










  • $begingroup$
    You are probably right, in fact the original problem corresponds to that of the expectation above, with X and Y having their respective half-Cauchy distribution... I should probably have stated the problem directly in this way. Does this make you think of any other strategy?
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    Mar 9 at 6:46










  • $begingroup$
    A more promising approach is to integrate by parts in order to introduce a Gaussian into the integrand. How to proceed from there depends on the size of $beta/sqrt{gamma}.$
    $endgroup$
    – whuber
    Mar 9 at 15:43


















  • $begingroup$
    I would advise studying the asymptotic behavior, because this integral diverges.
    $endgroup$
    – whuber
    Mar 8 at 12:13










  • $begingroup$
    Thanks for your point, I actually made a mistake in the first integral, very sorry about this. I have edited the question.
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    Mar 8 at 12:48






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    I think it would help to present the original version of this problem. This integral does not seem straightforward to evaluate using any other approach than brute force numerical quadrature, and I suspect that you have made a reformulation which is not necessarily helpful.
    $endgroup$
    – Martin L
    Mar 8 at 16:19










  • $begingroup$
    You are probably right, in fact the original problem corresponds to that of the expectation above, with X and Y having their respective half-Cauchy distribution... I should probably have stated the problem directly in this way. Does this make you think of any other strategy?
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    Mar 9 at 6:46










  • $begingroup$
    A more promising approach is to integrate by parts in order to introduce a Gaussian into the integrand. How to proceed from there depends on the size of $beta/sqrt{gamma}.$
    $endgroup$
    – whuber
    Mar 9 at 15:43
















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I would advise studying the asymptotic behavior, because this integral diverges.
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– whuber
Mar 8 at 12:13




$begingroup$
I would advise studying the asymptotic behavior, because this integral diverges.
$endgroup$
– whuber
Mar 8 at 12:13












$begingroup$
Thanks for your point, I actually made a mistake in the first integral, very sorry about this. I have edited the question.
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– user79097
Mar 8 at 12:48




$begingroup$
Thanks for your point, I actually made a mistake in the first integral, very sorry about this. I have edited the question.
$endgroup$
– user79097
Mar 8 at 12:48




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I think it would help to present the original version of this problem. This integral does not seem straightforward to evaluate using any other approach than brute force numerical quadrature, and I suspect that you have made a reformulation which is not necessarily helpful.
$endgroup$
– Martin L
Mar 8 at 16:19




$begingroup$
I think it would help to present the original version of this problem. This integral does not seem straightforward to evaluate using any other approach than brute force numerical quadrature, and I suspect that you have made a reformulation which is not necessarily helpful.
$endgroup$
– Martin L
Mar 8 at 16:19












$begingroup$
You are probably right, in fact the original problem corresponds to that of the expectation above, with X and Y having their respective half-Cauchy distribution... I should probably have stated the problem directly in this way. Does this make you think of any other strategy?
$endgroup$
– user79097
Mar 9 at 6:46




$begingroup$
You are probably right, in fact the original problem corresponds to that of the expectation above, with X and Y having their respective half-Cauchy distribution... I should probably have stated the problem directly in this way. Does this make you think of any other strategy?
$endgroup$
– user79097
Mar 9 at 6:46












$begingroup$
A more promising approach is to integrate by parts in order to introduce a Gaussian into the integrand. How to proceed from there depends on the size of $beta/sqrt{gamma}.$
$endgroup$
– whuber
Mar 9 at 15:43




$begingroup$
A more promising approach is to integrate by parts in order to introduce a Gaussian into the integrand. How to proceed from there depends on the size of $beta/sqrt{gamma}.$
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– whuber
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Under the conditions that $alpha, gamma, u,$ and $v$ are all positive,



$$beta/sqrt{gamma + uv} ge min(beta/sqrt{gamma}, 0) = delta gt -infty.$$



Therefore, because $Phi$ is a CDF for a distribution supported on $(-infty,infty),$ $$Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right)ge Phi(delta) = epsilon gt 0.$$



Consequently



$$eqalign{
&int_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&ge
epsilonint_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&= lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty}epsilonint_0^M (1+alpha u)^{-1}mathrm{d}uint_0^N (1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}v \
&=frac{epsilon}{alpha} lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty} log(1 + Malpha)log(1 + N),
}$$



which diverges to $+infty.$






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    Thanks, this is a very clear argument. For the "edited" integral, it seems that the argument doesn't apply anymore.
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    I will let this answer stand because (a) the changes you made to the question translate in an obvious way to comparable changes in this analysis and (b) it sheds useful light on issues of numerical integration, which almost surely is going to be the solution. In particular, the convergence of each integral is only $O(1/M)$ and $O(1/N),$ which suggests preliminary manipulations to concentrate the mass of the integral into a smaller region would be useful if you want efficiency or accuracy.
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    Thanks @whuber, that's helpful, I will try this. In the meantime, I added a second edit, where I give another formulation of my problem.
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If approximation is OK, you could simulate the expected value through an average. A law of large numbers implies that the average converges to the expected value - provided the latter exists, which is however not obvious to me. I did simulate a few runs, though, and got very similar results each time, which is not indicative of an issue with heavy tails.



library(LaplacesDemon)

draws <- 1e6
alpha <- 3
gamma <- 1
beta <- 1
x <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1)
y <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1/sqrt(alpha))

mean(pnorm(beta/sqrt(gamma+x^2*y^2)))





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    Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes I could do this, but in fact I would need an analytic approximation not a numeric one (in particular, alpha, beta and gamma are generic)...
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    OK, I hope somebody else could weigh in. Of course, you could run the code for any values of the parameters you are interested in.
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    Yes, sure, the problem is that I really need something analytical unfortunately. But thanks very much for your help!
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Under the conditions that $alpha, gamma, u,$ and $v$ are all positive,



$$beta/sqrt{gamma + uv} ge min(beta/sqrt{gamma}, 0) = delta gt -infty.$$



Therefore, because $Phi$ is a CDF for a distribution supported on $(-infty,infty),$ $$Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right)ge Phi(delta) = epsilon gt 0.$$



Consequently



$$eqalign{
&int_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&ge
epsilonint_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&= lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty}epsilonint_0^M (1+alpha u)^{-1}mathrm{d}uint_0^N (1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}v \
&=frac{epsilon}{alpha} lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty} log(1 + Malpha)log(1 + N),
}$$



which diverges to $+infty.$






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    Thanks, this is a very clear argument. For the "edited" integral, it seems that the argument doesn't apply anymore.
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    – user79097
    Mar 8 at 12:50










  • $begingroup$
    I will let this answer stand because (a) the changes you made to the question translate in an obvious way to comparable changes in this analysis and (b) it sheds useful light on issues of numerical integration, which almost surely is going to be the solution. In particular, the convergence of each integral is only $O(1/M)$ and $O(1/N),$ which suggests preliminary manipulations to concentrate the mass of the integral into a smaller region would be useful if you want efficiency or accuracy.
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    Mar 8 at 16:31










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    Thanks @whuber, that's helpful, I will try this. In the meantime, I added a second edit, where I give another formulation of my problem.
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    Mar 9 at 7:13
















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Under the conditions that $alpha, gamma, u,$ and $v$ are all positive,



$$beta/sqrt{gamma + uv} ge min(beta/sqrt{gamma}, 0) = delta gt -infty.$$



Therefore, because $Phi$ is a CDF for a distribution supported on $(-infty,infty),$ $$Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right)ge Phi(delta) = epsilon gt 0.$$



Consequently



$$eqalign{
&int_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&ge
epsilonint_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&= lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty}epsilonint_0^M (1+alpha u)^{-1}mathrm{d}uint_0^N (1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}v \
&=frac{epsilon}{alpha} lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty} log(1 + Malpha)log(1 + N),
}$$



which diverges to $+infty.$






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  • $begingroup$
    Thanks, this is a very clear argument. For the "edited" integral, it seems that the argument doesn't apply anymore.
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    Mar 8 at 12:50










  • $begingroup$
    I will let this answer stand because (a) the changes you made to the question translate in an obvious way to comparable changes in this analysis and (b) it sheds useful light on issues of numerical integration, which almost surely is going to be the solution. In particular, the convergence of each integral is only $O(1/M)$ and $O(1/N),$ which suggests preliminary manipulations to concentrate the mass of the integral into a smaller region would be useful if you want efficiency or accuracy.
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    – whuber
    Mar 8 at 16:31










  • $begingroup$
    Thanks @whuber, that's helpful, I will try this. In the meantime, I added a second edit, where I give another formulation of my problem.
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    – user79097
    Mar 9 at 7:13














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Under the conditions that $alpha, gamma, u,$ and $v$ are all positive,



$$beta/sqrt{gamma + uv} ge min(beta/sqrt{gamma}, 0) = delta gt -infty.$$



Therefore, because $Phi$ is a CDF for a distribution supported on $(-infty,infty),$ $$Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right)ge Phi(delta) = epsilon gt 0.$$



Consequently



$$eqalign{
&int_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&ge
epsilonint_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&= lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty}epsilonint_0^M (1+alpha u)^{-1}mathrm{d}uint_0^N (1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}v \
&=frac{epsilon}{alpha} lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty} log(1 + Malpha)log(1 + N),
}$$



which diverges to $+infty.$






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Under the conditions that $alpha, gamma, u,$ and $v$ are all positive,



$$beta/sqrt{gamma + uv} ge min(beta/sqrt{gamma}, 0) = delta gt -infty.$$



Therefore, because $Phi$ is a CDF for a distribution supported on $(-infty,infty),$ $$Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right)ge Phi(delta) = epsilon gt 0.$$



Consequently



$$eqalign{
&int_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} Phileft(frac{beta}{sqrt{gamma + uv}}right) mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&ge
epsilonint_0^infty int_0^infty (1+alpha u)^{-1}(1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}umathrm{d}v \
&= lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty}epsilonint_0^M (1+alpha u)^{-1}mathrm{d}uint_0^N (1+v)^{-1} mathrm{d}v \
&=frac{epsilon}{alpha} lim_{Mtoinfty}lim_{Ntoinfty} log(1 + Malpha)log(1 + N),
}$$



which diverges to $+infty.$







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    Thanks, this is a very clear argument. For the "edited" integral, it seems that the argument doesn't apply anymore.
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    Mar 8 at 12:50










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    I will let this answer stand because (a) the changes you made to the question translate in an obvious way to comparable changes in this analysis and (b) it sheds useful light on issues of numerical integration, which almost surely is going to be the solution. In particular, the convergence of each integral is only $O(1/M)$ and $O(1/N),$ which suggests preliminary manipulations to concentrate the mass of the integral into a smaller region would be useful if you want efficiency or accuracy.
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    – whuber
    Mar 8 at 16:31










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    Thanks @whuber, that's helpful, I will try this. In the meantime, I added a second edit, where I give another formulation of my problem.
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    – user79097
    Mar 9 at 7:13


















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    Thanks, this is a very clear argument. For the "edited" integral, it seems that the argument doesn't apply anymore.
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    Mar 8 at 12:50










  • $begingroup$
    I will let this answer stand because (a) the changes you made to the question translate in an obvious way to comparable changes in this analysis and (b) it sheds useful light on issues of numerical integration, which almost surely is going to be the solution. In particular, the convergence of each integral is only $O(1/M)$ and $O(1/N),$ which suggests preliminary manipulations to concentrate the mass of the integral into a smaller region would be useful if you want efficiency or accuracy.
    $endgroup$
    – whuber
    Mar 8 at 16:31










  • $begingroup$
    Thanks @whuber, that's helpful, I will try this. In the meantime, I added a second edit, where I give another formulation of my problem.
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    Mar 9 at 7:13
















$begingroup$
Thanks, this is a very clear argument. For the "edited" integral, it seems that the argument doesn't apply anymore.
$endgroup$
– user79097
Mar 8 at 12:50




$begingroup$
Thanks, this is a very clear argument. For the "edited" integral, it seems that the argument doesn't apply anymore.
$endgroup$
– user79097
Mar 8 at 12:50












$begingroup$
I will let this answer stand because (a) the changes you made to the question translate in an obvious way to comparable changes in this analysis and (b) it sheds useful light on issues of numerical integration, which almost surely is going to be the solution. In particular, the convergence of each integral is only $O(1/M)$ and $O(1/N),$ which suggests preliminary manipulations to concentrate the mass of the integral into a smaller region would be useful if you want efficiency or accuracy.
$endgroup$
– whuber
Mar 8 at 16:31




$begingroup$
I will let this answer stand because (a) the changes you made to the question translate in an obvious way to comparable changes in this analysis and (b) it sheds useful light on issues of numerical integration, which almost surely is going to be the solution. In particular, the convergence of each integral is only $O(1/M)$ and $O(1/N),$ which suggests preliminary manipulations to concentrate the mass of the integral into a smaller region would be useful if you want efficiency or accuracy.
$endgroup$
– whuber
Mar 8 at 16:31












$begingroup$
Thanks @whuber, that's helpful, I will try this. In the meantime, I added a second edit, where I give another formulation of my problem.
$endgroup$
– user79097
Mar 9 at 7:13




$begingroup$
Thanks @whuber, that's helpful, I will try this. In the meantime, I added a second edit, where I give another formulation of my problem.
$endgroup$
– user79097
Mar 9 at 7:13













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If approximation is OK, you could simulate the expected value through an average. A law of large numbers implies that the average converges to the expected value - provided the latter exists, which is however not obvious to me. I did simulate a few runs, though, and got very similar results each time, which is not indicative of an issue with heavy tails.



library(LaplacesDemon)

draws <- 1e6
alpha <- 3
gamma <- 1
beta <- 1
x <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1)
y <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1/sqrt(alpha))

mean(pnorm(beta/sqrt(gamma+x^2*y^2)))





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  • $begingroup$
    Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes I could do this, but in fact I would need an analytic approximation not a numeric one (in particular, alpha, beta and gamma are generic)...
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    – user79097
    Mar 8 at 10:26










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    OK, I hope somebody else could weigh in. Of course, you could run the code for any values of the parameters you are interested in.
    $endgroup$
    – Christoph Hanck
    Mar 8 at 10:27










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, sure, the problem is that I really need something analytical unfortunately. But thanks very much for your help!
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    Mar 8 at 10:32
















1












$begingroup$

If approximation is OK, you could simulate the expected value through an average. A law of large numbers implies that the average converges to the expected value - provided the latter exists, which is however not obvious to me. I did simulate a few runs, though, and got very similar results each time, which is not indicative of an issue with heavy tails.



library(LaplacesDemon)

draws <- 1e6
alpha <- 3
gamma <- 1
beta <- 1
x <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1)
y <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1/sqrt(alpha))

mean(pnorm(beta/sqrt(gamma+x^2*y^2)))





share|cite|improve this answer











$endgroup$













  • $begingroup$
    Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes I could do this, but in fact I would need an analytic approximation not a numeric one (in particular, alpha, beta and gamma are generic)...
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    Mar 8 at 10:26










  • $begingroup$
    OK, I hope somebody else could weigh in. Of course, you could run the code for any values of the parameters you are interested in.
    $endgroup$
    – Christoph Hanck
    Mar 8 at 10:27










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, sure, the problem is that I really need something analytical unfortunately. But thanks very much for your help!
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    Mar 8 at 10:32














1












1








1





$begingroup$

If approximation is OK, you could simulate the expected value through an average. A law of large numbers implies that the average converges to the expected value - provided the latter exists, which is however not obvious to me. I did simulate a few runs, though, and got very similar results each time, which is not indicative of an issue with heavy tails.



library(LaplacesDemon)

draws <- 1e6
alpha <- 3
gamma <- 1
beta <- 1
x <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1)
y <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1/sqrt(alpha))

mean(pnorm(beta/sqrt(gamma+x^2*y^2)))





share|cite|improve this answer











$endgroup$



If approximation is OK, you could simulate the expected value through an average. A law of large numbers implies that the average converges to the expected value - provided the latter exists, which is however not obvious to me. I did simulate a few runs, though, and got very similar results each time, which is not indicative of an issue with heavy tails.



library(LaplacesDemon)

draws <- 1e6
alpha <- 3
gamma <- 1
beta <- 1
x <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1)
y <- rhalfcauchy(draws, scale=1/sqrt(alpha))

mean(pnorm(beta/sqrt(gamma+x^2*y^2)))






share|cite|improve this answer














share|cite|improve this answer



share|cite|improve this answer








edited Mar 8 at 10:27

























answered Mar 8 at 10:23









Christoph HanckChristoph Hanck

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  • $begingroup$
    Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes I could do this, but in fact I would need an analytic approximation not a numeric one (in particular, alpha, beta and gamma are generic)...
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    Mar 8 at 10:26










  • $begingroup$
    OK, I hope somebody else could weigh in. Of course, you could run the code for any values of the parameters you are interested in.
    $endgroup$
    – Christoph Hanck
    Mar 8 at 10:27










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, sure, the problem is that I really need something analytical unfortunately. But thanks very much for your help!
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    Mar 8 at 10:32


















  • $begingroup$
    Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes I could do this, but in fact I would need an analytic approximation not a numeric one (in particular, alpha, beta and gamma are generic)...
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    Mar 8 at 10:26










  • $begingroup$
    OK, I hope somebody else could weigh in. Of course, you could run the code for any values of the parameters you are interested in.
    $endgroup$
    – Christoph Hanck
    Mar 8 at 10:27










  • $begingroup$
    Yes, sure, the problem is that I really need something analytical unfortunately. But thanks very much for your help!
    $endgroup$
    – user79097
    Mar 8 at 10:32
















$begingroup$
Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes I could do this, but in fact I would need an analytic approximation not a numeric one (in particular, alpha, beta and gamma are generic)...
$endgroup$
– user79097
Mar 8 at 10:26




$begingroup$
Thanks a lot for your reply. Yes I could do this, but in fact I would need an analytic approximation not a numeric one (in particular, alpha, beta and gamma are generic)...
$endgroup$
– user79097
Mar 8 at 10:26












$begingroup$
OK, I hope somebody else could weigh in. Of course, you could run the code for any values of the parameters you are interested in.
$endgroup$
– Christoph Hanck
Mar 8 at 10:27




$begingroup$
OK, I hope somebody else could weigh in. Of course, you could run the code for any values of the parameters you are interested in.
$endgroup$
– Christoph Hanck
Mar 8 at 10:27












$begingroup$
Yes, sure, the problem is that I really need something analytical unfortunately. But thanks very much for your help!
$endgroup$
– user79097
Mar 8 at 10:32




$begingroup$
Yes, sure, the problem is that I really need something analytical unfortunately. But thanks very much for your help!
$endgroup$
– user79097
Mar 8 at 10:32


















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