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I am attempting to prove that the subset of $mathbf{R}^3$ satisfying $x^2 + z^2 = y^2$ is not a surface, where




a surface is a subset of $mathbf{R}^3$ for every point in which there is a co-ordinate patch whose image contains that point and is contained in the subset




and




a co-ordinate patch is a smooth, injective, regular function from an open region of $mathbf{R}^2$ to $mathbf{R}^3$.




Having seen this visualized, I know this space is composed of two infinite cones joined at their tips (that is, at the origin). Intuitively, I then know that this is the problematic point that stops the entire set being a surface. However, I am having trouble constructing a reason why there cannot be a co-ordinate patch containing the origin; that is, showing which of the conditions on a co-ordinate patch cannot be satisfied, and why.



My attempt: If $bar{x} : D to mathbf{R}^3$ were such a co-ordinate patch, I feel that because $D$ is open and $bar{x}$ is continuous that there would necessarily be a "jump" from one of the cones composing the space to the other. As in, there would exist some point on the cone with positive $y$ and some point on the other cone with negative $y$ whose inputs in $D$ are close but which are obviously not close on the space.



Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.










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    Even though this can be proven by cheaper means, I like to do these things by showing that the tangent plane is not two dimensional at a bad point (in your case, the origin), so the surface cannot be regular.
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I am attempting to prove that the subset of $mathbf{R}^3$ satisfying $x^2 + z^2 = y^2$ is not a surface, where




a surface is a subset of $mathbf{R}^3$ for every point in which there is a co-ordinate patch whose image contains that point and is contained in the subset




and




a co-ordinate patch is a smooth, injective, regular function from an open region of $mathbf{R}^2$ to $mathbf{R}^3$.




Having seen this visualized, I know this space is composed of two infinite cones joined at their tips (that is, at the origin). Intuitively, I then know that this is the problematic point that stops the entire set being a surface. However, I am having trouble constructing a reason why there cannot be a co-ordinate patch containing the origin; that is, showing which of the conditions on a co-ordinate patch cannot be satisfied, and why.



My attempt: If $bar{x} : D to mathbf{R}^3$ were such a co-ordinate patch, I feel that because $D$ is open and $bar{x}$ is continuous that there would necessarily be a "jump" from one of the cones composing the space to the other. As in, there would exist some point on the cone with positive $y$ and some point on the other cone with negative $y$ whose inputs in $D$ are close but which are obviously not close on the space.



Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.










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    Even though this can be proven by cheaper means, I like to do these things by showing that the tangent plane is not two dimensional at a bad point (in your case, the origin), so the surface cannot be regular.
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    – MisterRiemann
    Dec 4 '18 at 18:17
















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I am attempting to prove that the subset of $mathbf{R}^3$ satisfying $x^2 + z^2 = y^2$ is not a surface, where




a surface is a subset of $mathbf{R}^3$ for every point in which there is a co-ordinate patch whose image contains that point and is contained in the subset




and




a co-ordinate patch is a smooth, injective, regular function from an open region of $mathbf{R}^2$ to $mathbf{R}^3$.




Having seen this visualized, I know this space is composed of two infinite cones joined at their tips (that is, at the origin). Intuitively, I then know that this is the problematic point that stops the entire set being a surface. However, I am having trouble constructing a reason why there cannot be a co-ordinate patch containing the origin; that is, showing which of the conditions on a co-ordinate patch cannot be satisfied, and why.



My attempt: If $bar{x} : D to mathbf{R}^3$ were such a co-ordinate patch, I feel that because $D$ is open and $bar{x}$ is continuous that there would necessarily be a "jump" from one of the cones composing the space to the other. As in, there would exist some point on the cone with positive $y$ and some point on the other cone with negative $y$ whose inputs in $D$ are close but which are obviously not close on the space.



Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.










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I am attempting to prove that the subset of $mathbf{R}^3$ satisfying $x^2 + z^2 = y^2$ is not a surface, where




a surface is a subset of $mathbf{R}^3$ for every point in which there is a co-ordinate patch whose image contains that point and is contained in the subset




and




a co-ordinate patch is a smooth, injective, regular function from an open region of $mathbf{R}^2$ to $mathbf{R}^3$.




Having seen this visualized, I know this space is composed of two infinite cones joined at their tips (that is, at the origin). Intuitively, I then know that this is the problematic point that stops the entire set being a surface. However, I am having trouble constructing a reason why there cannot be a co-ordinate patch containing the origin; that is, showing which of the conditions on a co-ordinate patch cannot be satisfied, and why.



My attempt: If $bar{x} : D to mathbf{R}^3$ were such a co-ordinate patch, I feel that because $D$ is open and $bar{x}$ is continuous that there would necessarily be a "jump" from one of the cones composing the space to the other. As in, there would exist some point on the cone with positive $y$ and some point on the other cone with negative $y$ whose inputs in $D$ are close but which are obviously not close on the space.



Any help is greatly appreciated. Thank you in advance.







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    Even though this can be proven by cheaper means, I like to do these things by showing that the tangent plane is not two dimensional at a bad point (in your case, the origin), so the surface cannot be regular.
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    – MisterRiemann
    Dec 4 '18 at 18:17




















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    Even though this can be proven by cheaper means, I like to do these things by showing that the tangent plane is not two dimensional at a bad point (in your case, the origin), so the surface cannot be regular.
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    Dec 4 '18 at 18:17


















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Even though this can be proven by cheaper means, I like to do these things by showing that the tangent plane is not two dimensional at a bad point (in your case, the origin), so the surface cannot be regular.
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– MisterRiemann
Dec 4 '18 at 18:17






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Even though this can be proven by cheaper means, I like to do these things by showing that the tangent plane is not two dimensional at a bad point (in your case, the origin), so the surface cannot be regular.
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For this one, there's a particularly easy argument. Suppose that the double-cone is called $D$, and that $U subset D$ is the domain of a coordinate patch
$$
p : U to Bbb R^2,
$$

hence there's an open set $W$ in 3-space with $W cap D = U$.



Within $W$, there's an open ball $W'$ centered at the origin. Let $U' = U cap W'$. Then $U'$ is also the domain of a (smaller) coordinate patch.



By changing coordinates in $Bbb R^2$, we can assume that $p(0,0,0) = (0,0)$.



Take a small open ball $B$ around the origin in $Bbb R^2$. The preimage $Q = p^{-1}(B)$ is an open set in $D$, and contains the origin of 3-space. So $p|Q$, the restriction of $p$ to the set $Q$, is a homeomorphism from an open set in $D$ containing the origin to an open ball in $R^2$ containing the origin.



That is to say $Q$ and $p(Q)$ are homeomorphic, and $p$ is a homeomorphism between them. (Important fact 1)



$Q$ is an open set of $D$, hence the intersection of an open set $U$ in 3-space with $D$. $U$ contains an open ball around the origin (because $(0,0,0) in U$ and $U$ is open), hence it contains points in both the upper and lower cones of $D$, i.e., points with $y > 0$ and others with $y < 0$. (Important fact 2).



Now let's look at
$$
H = Q - {(0,0,0)}
$$

On the one hand, it's homeomorphic to $p(Q) - {(0,0)}$, which is a punctured disc, and is therefore connected (indeed, path connected!)



On the other hand, $H$ consists of some portion of the double cone, but NOT the origin, the only point of $D$ with $y = 0$. So any path from a point in the upper-cone $(y > 0)$ to a point in the lower-cone $(y < 0)$ must be discontinuous (via the intermediate value theorem, if you like). Such pairs of points exist by important fact 2.



Short form: If there were a patch, it'd make a disk homeomorphic to a little part of $D$ containing the origin AND parts of both cones. Removing the origin from both sides leads to something disconnected in the preimage, but connected in the image. THat's a contradiction.






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    Why do you define your co-ordinate patch to map $Bbb R^3$ to $Bbb R^2$, the definition I know is for the opposite mapping . Is their a subtlety to your argument that I missed or was that a typo ?
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    Oh...there's a ton of different definitions. The map is a homeo- (or diffeo-)morphism anyhow, so you can always reverse it. One's called a coordinate patch, the other's called a "chart", or maybe one is called local coords and other a local parameterization...I can't recall. Short answer: there's nothing subtle here,. You can replace "$p$" with "$p^{-1}$ throughout, and make it go the other direction and you'll have an explanation that matches your convention.
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    ahh very interesting, co-ordinate patches are very new to me , so different conventions confuse me but theyre good to learn about to get a deeper understanding :)
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Call $C={x^2+z^2=y^2}$ the cone. I introduce also $C_pm=Ccap{pm ygeq0}$.



Assume that there is $phiin C^1(D,C)$ with $Dsubset mathbb R^2$ open and connected, $0in D$ and $phi(0)=0$.



We prove that $phi(D)$ is entirely contained in either $C_+$ or $C_-$. Assume the contrary. Then $phi(D)setminus{0}$ is not connected. But
$$
phi(D)setminus{0} = phi(Dsetminus{0})
$$

has to be connected because it is the image of the connected set $Dsetminus{0}$.



So now you have $phiin C^1(D,C_+)$. Can you see what goes wrong with the derivatives of $phi$ at the origin?






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    For this one, there's a particularly easy argument. Suppose that the double-cone is called $D$, and that $U subset D$ is the domain of a coordinate patch
    $$
    p : U to Bbb R^2,
    $$

    hence there's an open set $W$ in 3-space with $W cap D = U$.



    Within $W$, there's an open ball $W'$ centered at the origin. Let $U' = U cap W'$. Then $U'$ is also the domain of a (smaller) coordinate patch.



    By changing coordinates in $Bbb R^2$, we can assume that $p(0,0,0) = (0,0)$.



    Take a small open ball $B$ around the origin in $Bbb R^2$. The preimage $Q = p^{-1}(B)$ is an open set in $D$, and contains the origin of 3-space. So $p|Q$, the restriction of $p$ to the set $Q$, is a homeomorphism from an open set in $D$ containing the origin to an open ball in $R^2$ containing the origin.



    That is to say $Q$ and $p(Q)$ are homeomorphic, and $p$ is a homeomorphism between them. (Important fact 1)



    $Q$ is an open set of $D$, hence the intersection of an open set $U$ in 3-space with $D$. $U$ contains an open ball around the origin (because $(0,0,0) in U$ and $U$ is open), hence it contains points in both the upper and lower cones of $D$, i.e., points with $y > 0$ and others with $y < 0$. (Important fact 2).



    Now let's look at
    $$
    H = Q - {(0,0,0)}
    $$

    On the one hand, it's homeomorphic to $p(Q) - {(0,0)}$, which is a punctured disc, and is therefore connected (indeed, path connected!)



    On the other hand, $H$ consists of some portion of the double cone, but NOT the origin, the only point of $D$ with $y = 0$. So any path from a point in the upper-cone $(y > 0)$ to a point in the lower-cone $(y < 0)$ must be discontinuous (via the intermediate value theorem, if you like). Such pairs of points exist by important fact 2.



    Short form: If there were a patch, it'd make a disk homeomorphic to a little part of $D$ containing the origin AND parts of both cones. Removing the origin from both sides leads to something disconnected in the preimage, but connected in the image. THat's a contradiction.






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      Why do you define your co-ordinate patch to map $Bbb R^3$ to $Bbb R^2$, the definition I know is for the opposite mapping . Is their a subtlety to your argument that I missed or was that a typo ?
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      – can'tcauchy
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      Oh...there's a ton of different definitions. The map is a homeo- (or diffeo-)morphism anyhow, so you can always reverse it. One's called a coordinate patch, the other's called a "chart", or maybe one is called local coords and other a local parameterization...I can't recall. Short answer: there's nothing subtle here,. You can replace "$p$" with "$p^{-1}$ throughout, and make it go the other direction and you'll have an explanation that matches your convention.
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      – John Hughes
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      ahh very interesting, co-ordinate patches are very new to me , so different conventions confuse me but theyre good to learn about to get a deeper understanding :)
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      – can'tcauchy
      Dec 9 '18 at 20:56


















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    For this one, there's a particularly easy argument. Suppose that the double-cone is called $D$, and that $U subset D$ is the domain of a coordinate patch
    $$
    p : U to Bbb R^2,
    $$

    hence there's an open set $W$ in 3-space with $W cap D = U$.



    Within $W$, there's an open ball $W'$ centered at the origin. Let $U' = U cap W'$. Then $U'$ is also the domain of a (smaller) coordinate patch.



    By changing coordinates in $Bbb R^2$, we can assume that $p(0,0,0) = (0,0)$.



    Take a small open ball $B$ around the origin in $Bbb R^2$. The preimage $Q = p^{-1}(B)$ is an open set in $D$, and contains the origin of 3-space. So $p|Q$, the restriction of $p$ to the set $Q$, is a homeomorphism from an open set in $D$ containing the origin to an open ball in $R^2$ containing the origin.



    That is to say $Q$ and $p(Q)$ are homeomorphic, and $p$ is a homeomorphism between them. (Important fact 1)



    $Q$ is an open set of $D$, hence the intersection of an open set $U$ in 3-space with $D$. $U$ contains an open ball around the origin (because $(0,0,0) in U$ and $U$ is open), hence it contains points in both the upper and lower cones of $D$, i.e., points with $y > 0$ and others with $y < 0$. (Important fact 2).



    Now let's look at
    $$
    H = Q - {(0,0,0)}
    $$

    On the one hand, it's homeomorphic to $p(Q) - {(0,0)}$, which is a punctured disc, and is therefore connected (indeed, path connected!)



    On the other hand, $H$ consists of some portion of the double cone, but NOT the origin, the only point of $D$ with $y = 0$. So any path from a point in the upper-cone $(y > 0)$ to a point in the lower-cone $(y < 0)$ must be discontinuous (via the intermediate value theorem, if you like). Such pairs of points exist by important fact 2.



    Short form: If there were a patch, it'd make a disk homeomorphic to a little part of $D$ containing the origin AND parts of both cones. Removing the origin from both sides leads to something disconnected in the preimage, but connected in the image. THat's a contradiction.






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    • $begingroup$
      Why do you define your co-ordinate patch to map $Bbb R^3$ to $Bbb R^2$, the definition I know is for the opposite mapping . Is their a subtlety to your argument that I missed or was that a typo ?
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      – can'tcauchy
      Dec 9 '18 at 18:29










    • $begingroup$
      Oh...there's a ton of different definitions. The map is a homeo- (or diffeo-)morphism anyhow, so you can always reverse it. One's called a coordinate patch, the other's called a "chart", or maybe one is called local coords and other a local parameterization...I can't recall. Short answer: there's nothing subtle here,. You can replace "$p$" with "$p^{-1}$ throughout, and make it go the other direction and you'll have an explanation that matches your convention.
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      – John Hughes
      Dec 9 '18 at 20:54










    • $begingroup$
      ahh very interesting, co-ordinate patches are very new to me , so different conventions confuse me but theyre good to learn about to get a deeper understanding :)
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      – can'tcauchy
      Dec 9 '18 at 20:56
















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    $begingroup$

    For this one, there's a particularly easy argument. Suppose that the double-cone is called $D$, and that $U subset D$ is the domain of a coordinate patch
    $$
    p : U to Bbb R^2,
    $$

    hence there's an open set $W$ in 3-space with $W cap D = U$.



    Within $W$, there's an open ball $W'$ centered at the origin. Let $U' = U cap W'$. Then $U'$ is also the domain of a (smaller) coordinate patch.



    By changing coordinates in $Bbb R^2$, we can assume that $p(0,0,0) = (0,0)$.



    Take a small open ball $B$ around the origin in $Bbb R^2$. The preimage $Q = p^{-1}(B)$ is an open set in $D$, and contains the origin of 3-space. So $p|Q$, the restriction of $p$ to the set $Q$, is a homeomorphism from an open set in $D$ containing the origin to an open ball in $R^2$ containing the origin.



    That is to say $Q$ and $p(Q)$ are homeomorphic, and $p$ is a homeomorphism between them. (Important fact 1)



    $Q$ is an open set of $D$, hence the intersection of an open set $U$ in 3-space with $D$. $U$ contains an open ball around the origin (because $(0,0,0) in U$ and $U$ is open), hence it contains points in both the upper and lower cones of $D$, i.e., points with $y > 0$ and others with $y < 0$. (Important fact 2).



    Now let's look at
    $$
    H = Q - {(0,0,0)}
    $$

    On the one hand, it's homeomorphic to $p(Q) - {(0,0)}$, which is a punctured disc, and is therefore connected (indeed, path connected!)



    On the other hand, $H$ consists of some portion of the double cone, but NOT the origin, the only point of $D$ with $y = 0$. So any path from a point in the upper-cone $(y > 0)$ to a point in the lower-cone $(y < 0)$ must be discontinuous (via the intermediate value theorem, if you like). Such pairs of points exist by important fact 2.



    Short form: If there were a patch, it'd make a disk homeomorphic to a little part of $D$ containing the origin AND parts of both cones. Removing the origin from both sides leads to something disconnected in the preimage, but connected in the image. THat's a contradiction.






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    For this one, there's a particularly easy argument. Suppose that the double-cone is called $D$, and that $U subset D$ is the domain of a coordinate patch
    $$
    p : U to Bbb R^2,
    $$

    hence there's an open set $W$ in 3-space with $W cap D = U$.



    Within $W$, there's an open ball $W'$ centered at the origin. Let $U' = U cap W'$. Then $U'$ is also the domain of a (smaller) coordinate patch.



    By changing coordinates in $Bbb R^2$, we can assume that $p(0,0,0) = (0,0)$.



    Take a small open ball $B$ around the origin in $Bbb R^2$. The preimage $Q = p^{-1}(B)$ is an open set in $D$, and contains the origin of 3-space. So $p|Q$, the restriction of $p$ to the set $Q$, is a homeomorphism from an open set in $D$ containing the origin to an open ball in $R^2$ containing the origin.



    That is to say $Q$ and $p(Q)$ are homeomorphic, and $p$ is a homeomorphism between them. (Important fact 1)



    $Q$ is an open set of $D$, hence the intersection of an open set $U$ in 3-space with $D$. $U$ contains an open ball around the origin (because $(0,0,0) in U$ and $U$ is open), hence it contains points in both the upper and lower cones of $D$, i.e., points with $y > 0$ and others with $y < 0$. (Important fact 2).



    Now let's look at
    $$
    H = Q - {(0,0,0)}
    $$

    On the one hand, it's homeomorphic to $p(Q) - {(0,0)}$, which is a punctured disc, and is therefore connected (indeed, path connected!)



    On the other hand, $H$ consists of some portion of the double cone, but NOT the origin, the only point of $D$ with $y = 0$. So any path from a point in the upper-cone $(y > 0)$ to a point in the lower-cone $(y < 0)$ must be discontinuous (via the intermediate value theorem, if you like). Such pairs of points exist by important fact 2.



    Short form: If there were a patch, it'd make a disk homeomorphic to a little part of $D$ containing the origin AND parts of both cones. Removing the origin from both sides leads to something disconnected in the preimage, but connected in the image. THat's a contradiction.







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    • $begingroup$
      Why do you define your co-ordinate patch to map $Bbb R^3$ to $Bbb R^2$, the definition I know is for the opposite mapping . Is their a subtlety to your argument that I missed or was that a typo ?
      $endgroup$
      – can'tcauchy
      Dec 9 '18 at 18:29










    • $begingroup$
      Oh...there's a ton of different definitions. The map is a homeo- (or diffeo-)morphism anyhow, so you can always reverse it. One's called a coordinate patch, the other's called a "chart", or maybe one is called local coords and other a local parameterization...I can't recall. Short answer: there's nothing subtle here,. You can replace "$p$" with "$p^{-1}$ throughout, and make it go the other direction and you'll have an explanation that matches your convention.
      $endgroup$
      – John Hughes
      Dec 9 '18 at 20:54










    • $begingroup$
      ahh very interesting, co-ordinate patches are very new to me , so different conventions confuse me but theyre good to learn about to get a deeper understanding :)
      $endgroup$
      – can'tcauchy
      Dec 9 '18 at 20:56




















    • $begingroup$
      Why do you define your co-ordinate patch to map $Bbb R^3$ to $Bbb R^2$, the definition I know is for the opposite mapping . Is their a subtlety to your argument that I missed or was that a typo ?
      $endgroup$
      – can'tcauchy
      Dec 9 '18 at 18:29










    • $begingroup$
      Oh...there's a ton of different definitions. The map is a homeo- (or diffeo-)morphism anyhow, so you can always reverse it. One's called a coordinate patch, the other's called a "chart", or maybe one is called local coords and other a local parameterization...I can't recall. Short answer: there's nothing subtle here,. You can replace "$p$" with "$p^{-1}$ throughout, and make it go the other direction and you'll have an explanation that matches your convention.
      $endgroup$
      – John Hughes
      Dec 9 '18 at 20:54










    • $begingroup$
      ahh very interesting, co-ordinate patches are very new to me , so different conventions confuse me but theyre good to learn about to get a deeper understanding :)
      $endgroup$
      – can'tcauchy
      Dec 9 '18 at 20:56


















    $begingroup$
    Why do you define your co-ordinate patch to map $Bbb R^3$ to $Bbb R^2$, the definition I know is for the opposite mapping . Is their a subtlety to your argument that I missed or was that a typo ?
    $endgroup$
    – can'tcauchy
    Dec 9 '18 at 18:29




    $begingroup$
    Why do you define your co-ordinate patch to map $Bbb R^3$ to $Bbb R^2$, the definition I know is for the opposite mapping . Is their a subtlety to your argument that I missed or was that a typo ?
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    – can'tcauchy
    Dec 9 '18 at 18:29












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    Oh...there's a ton of different definitions. The map is a homeo- (or diffeo-)morphism anyhow, so you can always reverse it. One's called a coordinate patch, the other's called a "chart", or maybe one is called local coords and other a local parameterization...I can't recall. Short answer: there's nothing subtle here,. You can replace "$p$" with "$p^{-1}$ throughout, and make it go the other direction and you'll have an explanation that matches your convention.
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    – John Hughes
    Dec 9 '18 at 20:54




    $begingroup$
    Oh...there's a ton of different definitions. The map is a homeo- (or diffeo-)morphism anyhow, so you can always reverse it. One's called a coordinate patch, the other's called a "chart", or maybe one is called local coords and other a local parameterization...I can't recall. Short answer: there's nothing subtle here,. You can replace "$p$" with "$p^{-1}$ throughout, and make it go the other direction and you'll have an explanation that matches your convention.
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    – John Hughes
    Dec 9 '18 at 20:54












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    ahh very interesting, co-ordinate patches are very new to me , so different conventions confuse me but theyre good to learn about to get a deeper understanding :)
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    – can'tcauchy
    Dec 9 '18 at 20:56






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    ahh very interesting, co-ordinate patches are very new to me , so different conventions confuse me but theyre good to learn about to get a deeper understanding :)
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    – can'tcauchy
    Dec 9 '18 at 20:56













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    Hint



    Call $C={x^2+z^2=y^2}$ the cone. I introduce also $C_pm=Ccap{pm ygeq0}$.



    Assume that there is $phiin C^1(D,C)$ with $Dsubset mathbb R^2$ open and connected, $0in D$ and $phi(0)=0$.



    We prove that $phi(D)$ is entirely contained in either $C_+$ or $C_-$. Assume the contrary. Then $phi(D)setminus{0}$ is not connected. But
    $$
    phi(D)setminus{0} = phi(Dsetminus{0})
    $$

    has to be connected because it is the image of the connected set $Dsetminus{0}$.



    So now you have $phiin C^1(D,C_+)$. Can you see what goes wrong with the derivatives of $phi$ at the origin?






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      $begingroup$

      Hint



      Call $C={x^2+z^2=y^2}$ the cone. I introduce also $C_pm=Ccap{pm ygeq0}$.



      Assume that there is $phiin C^1(D,C)$ with $Dsubset mathbb R^2$ open and connected, $0in D$ and $phi(0)=0$.



      We prove that $phi(D)$ is entirely contained in either $C_+$ or $C_-$. Assume the contrary. Then $phi(D)setminus{0}$ is not connected. But
      $$
      phi(D)setminus{0} = phi(Dsetminus{0})
      $$

      has to be connected because it is the image of the connected set $Dsetminus{0}$.



      So now you have $phiin C^1(D,C_+)$. Can you see what goes wrong with the derivatives of $phi$ at the origin?






      share|cite|improve this answer











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        $begingroup$

        Hint



        Call $C={x^2+z^2=y^2}$ the cone. I introduce also $C_pm=Ccap{pm ygeq0}$.



        Assume that there is $phiin C^1(D,C)$ with $Dsubset mathbb R^2$ open and connected, $0in D$ and $phi(0)=0$.



        We prove that $phi(D)$ is entirely contained in either $C_+$ or $C_-$. Assume the contrary. Then $phi(D)setminus{0}$ is not connected. But
        $$
        phi(D)setminus{0} = phi(Dsetminus{0})
        $$

        has to be connected because it is the image of the connected set $Dsetminus{0}$.



        So now you have $phiin C^1(D,C_+)$. Can you see what goes wrong with the derivatives of $phi$ at the origin?






        share|cite|improve this answer











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        Hint



        Call $C={x^2+z^2=y^2}$ the cone. I introduce also $C_pm=Ccap{pm ygeq0}$.



        Assume that there is $phiin C^1(D,C)$ with $Dsubset mathbb R^2$ open and connected, $0in D$ and $phi(0)=0$.



        We prove that $phi(D)$ is entirely contained in either $C_+$ or $C_-$. Assume the contrary. Then $phi(D)setminus{0}$ is not connected. But
        $$
        phi(D)setminus{0} = phi(Dsetminus{0})
        $$

        has to be connected because it is the image of the connected set $Dsetminus{0}$.



        So now you have $phiin C^1(D,C_+)$. Can you see what goes wrong with the derivatives of $phi$ at the origin?







        share|cite|improve this answer














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