How can the younger one reach Bar Mitzvah age first? [closed]
A Bar Mitzvah is a ceremony which takes place on the 13th year of a Jewish male’s life (to the day).
How could it exist that [of two Jewish boys] Jim would be born on the first day of the month and John on the last (of that same month and year), yet 13 years later John reaches the age of Bar Mitzvah before Jim?
Hint related to final answer:
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Mathematics_of_the_Jewish_Calendar/Anniversaries
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A Bar Mitzvah is a ceremony which takes place on the 13th year of a Jewish male’s life (to the day).
How could it exist that [of two Jewish boys] Jim would be born on the first day of the month and John on the last (of that same month and year), yet 13 years later John reaches the age of Bar Mitzvah before Jim?
Hint related to final answer:
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Mathematics_of_the_Jewish_Calendar/Anniversaries
logical-deduction knowledge
asked Nov 29 at 13:13
Dr. Shmuel
1386
closed as too broad by gabbo1092, Excited Raichu, JonMark Perry, rhsquared, El-Guest Nov 29 at 22:32
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A Bar Mitzvah is a ceremony which takes place on the 13th year of a Jewish male’s life (to the day).
How could it exist that [of two Jewish boys] Jim would be born on the first day of the month and John on the last (of that same month and year), yet 13 years later John reaches the age of Bar Mitzvah before Jim?
Hint related to final answer:
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Mathematics_of_the_Jewish_Calendar/Anniversaries
logical-deduction knowledge
asked Nov 29 at 13:13
Dr. Shmuel
1386
A Bar Mitzvah is a ceremony which takes place on the 13th year of a Jewish male’s life (to the day).
How could it exist that [of two Jewish boys] Jim would be born on the first day of the month and John on the last (of that same month and year), yet 13 years later John reaches the age of Bar Mitzvah before Jim?
Hint related to final answer:
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Mathematics_of_the_Jewish_Calendar/Anniversaries
logical-deduction knowledge
logical-deduction knowledge
asked Nov 29 at 13:13
Dr. Shmuel
1386
asked Nov 29 at 13:13
Dr. Shmuel
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the giveaway is that the boys are
Jewish, meaning they follow the Jewish calendar. There is also an unique concept of Rosh Chodesh
How?
Credits to full description here: http://download.yutorah.org/2013/1053/Purim_To_Go_-_5771_Rabbi_Willig.pdf
But taking an important extract out of it :
Here too, since Adar has only 29 days, he becomes a bar mitzvah on the 1st day of Nissan.
However, the Binyan Zion (158) rules that he becomes a bar mitzvah on the first day of Rosh Chodesh Adar, which is the 30th day of Shevat, since he was born on the first day of Rosh Chodesh Adar. This novel view, which makes him a bar mitzvah over a month earlier, is based on an unproven thesis that the status of Rosh Chodesh can determine a birth day.
answered Nov 29 at 13:56
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John was born on the last day of, say, February, while Jim was born on (for example) March 1. The exact months aren't specified, so John could be born on the last day of a previous month.
Alternatively (with the edit):
Jim isn't Jewish.
Also possible (with the edit):
Jim is a girl, and celebrates her bat mitzvah, not bar mitzvah.
Note: There was another edit, now ALL my solutions are invalid. At the time of posting they were valid, though.
Now possible with new edit:
Jim dies before he turns 13.
answered Nov 29 at 13:18
Excited Raichu
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+1 A for effort
– Dr. Shmuel
Nov 29 at 13:48
And FWIW the key difference other than genders for bar/bat mitzvah is that the girls typically do it at age 12, boys at 13.
– ivanivan
Nov 29 at 18:04
1
@ivanivan I know, it's still earlier though.
– Excited Raichu
Nov 29 at 18:05
2
Yes, but I added the comment to clarify for others who may be wondering what the heck the boy/girl thing makes different...
– ivanivan
Nov 29 at 18:06
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Might be wrong but:
It doesn't say they were born in the same year, just same month. So John was born at the end of the month one year and Jim was born at the beginning of the month a year later. Thus when 13 years from when John was born he reaches Bar Mitzvah age and not Jim
answered Nov 29 at 13:30
gabbo1092
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Not familiar at all with the customs, but
Maybe John was born on a leap day (29 February, or maybe an equivalent in the Hebrew calendar), and it's customary to move the Bar Mitzvah to an earlier date in case the exact date doesn't exist that year?
answered Nov 29 at 13:33
jafe
16.4k142160
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The Hebrew calendar not only has two months that are sometimes a day longer than otherwise (to avoid Yom Kippur falling on Friday or Sunday, or Hoshana Rabbah on Saturday); it also inserts an entire leap month (Adar I, preceding Adar II, which in common years is simply called "Adar") in 7 of every 19 years. And these peculiarities are related to the odd interpretation of the Bar Mitzvah age.
– Monty Harder
Nov 29 at 17:05
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Because:
Jim gets cryogenically frozen and loses a month of life experience and growth. Suddenly John is older!
edited Nov 29 at 20:47
gabbo1092
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answered Nov 29 at 20:43
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Not sure why you were downvoted. I also would have upvoted relativistic velocities causing a difference in aging.
– user1717828
Nov 29 at 21:38
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the giveaway is that the boys are
Jewish, meaning they follow the Jewish calendar. There is also an unique concept of Rosh Chodesh
How?
Credits to full description here: http://download.yutorah.org/2013/1053/Purim_To_Go_-_5771_Rabbi_Willig.pdf
But taking an important extract out of it :
Here too, since Adar has only 29 days, he becomes a bar mitzvah on the 1st day of Nissan.
However, the Binyan Zion (158) rules that he becomes a bar mitzvah on the first day of Rosh Chodesh Adar, which is the 30th day of Shevat, since he was born on the first day of Rosh Chodesh Adar. This novel view, which makes him a bar mitzvah over a month earlier, is based on an unproven thesis that the status of Rosh Chodesh can determine a birth day.
answered Nov 29 at 13:56
Kryesec
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the giveaway is that the boys are
Jewish, meaning they follow the Jewish calendar. There is also an unique concept of Rosh Chodesh
How?
Credits to full description here: http://download.yutorah.org/2013/1053/Purim_To_Go_-_5771_Rabbi_Willig.pdf
But taking an important extract out of it :
Here too, since Adar has only 29 days, he becomes a bar mitzvah on the 1st day of Nissan.
However, the Binyan Zion (158) rules that he becomes a bar mitzvah on the first day of Rosh Chodesh Adar, which is the 30th day of Shevat, since he was born on the first day of Rosh Chodesh Adar. This novel view, which makes him a bar mitzvah over a month earlier, is based on an unproven thesis that the status of Rosh Chodesh can determine a birth day.
answered Nov 29 at 13:56
Kryesec
66311
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the giveaway is that the boys are
Jewish, meaning they follow the Jewish calendar. There is also an unique concept of Rosh Chodesh
How?
Credits to full description here: http://download.yutorah.org/2013/1053/Purim_To_Go_-_5771_Rabbi_Willig.pdf
But taking an important extract out of it :
Here too, since Adar has only 29 days, he becomes a bar mitzvah on the 1st day of Nissan.
However, the Binyan Zion (158) rules that he becomes a bar mitzvah on the first day of Rosh Chodesh Adar, which is the 30th day of Shevat, since he was born on the first day of Rosh Chodesh Adar. This novel view, which makes him a bar mitzvah over a month earlier, is based on an unproven thesis that the status of Rosh Chodesh can determine a birth day.
answered Nov 29 at 13:56
Kryesec
66311
the giveaway is that the boys are
Jewish, meaning they follow the Jewish calendar. There is also an unique concept of Rosh Chodesh
How?
Credits to full description here: http://download.yutorah.org/2013/1053/Purim_To_Go_-_5771_Rabbi_Willig.pdf
But taking an important extract out of it :
Here too, since Adar has only 29 days, he becomes a bar mitzvah on the 1st day of Nissan.
However, the Binyan Zion (158) rules that he becomes a bar mitzvah on the first day of Rosh Chodesh Adar, which is the 30th day of Shevat, since he was born on the first day of Rosh Chodesh Adar. This novel view, which makes him a bar mitzvah over a month earlier, is based on an unproven thesis that the status of Rosh Chodesh can determine a birth day.
answered Nov 29 at 13:56
Kryesec
66311
answered Nov 29 at 13:56
Kryesec
66311
answered Nov 29 at 13:56
Kryesec
66311
answered Nov 29 at 13:56
Kryesec
66311
66311
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John was born on the last day of, say, February, while Jim was born on (for example) March 1. The exact months aren't specified, so John could be born on the last day of a previous month.
Alternatively (with the edit):
Jim isn't Jewish.
Also possible (with the edit):
Jim is a girl, and celebrates her bat mitzvah, not bar mitzvah.
Note: There was another edit, now ALL my solutions are invalid. At the time of posting they were valid, though.
Now possible with new edit:
Jim dies before he turns 13.
answered Nov 29 at 13:18
Excited Raichu
5,5702860
+1 A for effort
– Dr. Shmuel
Nov 29 at 13:48
And FWIW the key difference other than genders for bar/bat mitzvah is that the girls typically do it at age 12, boys at 13.
– ivanivan
Nov 29 at 18:04
1
@ivanivan I know, it's still earlier though.
– Excited Raichu
Nov 29 at 18:05
2
Yes, but I added the comment to clarify for others who may be wondering what the heck the boy/girl thing makes different...
– ivanivan
Nov 29 at 18:06
add a comment |
John was born on the last day of, say, February, while Jim was born on (for example) March 1. The exact months aren't specified, so John could be born on the last day of a previous month.
Alternatively (with the edit):
Jim isn't Jewish.
Also possible (with the edit):
Jim is a girl, and celebrates her bat mitzvah, not bar mitzvah.
Note: There was another edit, now ALL my solutions are invalid. At the time of posting they were valid, though.
Now possible with new edit:
Jim dies before he turns 13.
answered Nov 29 at 13:18
Excited Raichu
5,5702860
+1 A for effort
– Dr. Shmuel
Nov 29 at 13:48
And FWIW the key difference other than genders for bar/bat mitzvah is that the girls typically do it at age 12, boys at 13.
– ivanivan
Nov 29 at 18:04
1
@ivanivan I know, it's still earlier though.
– Excited Raichu
Nov 29 at 18:05
2
Yes, but I added the comment to clarify for others who may be wondering what the heck the boy/girl thing makes different...
– ivanivan
Nov 29 at 18:06
add a comment |
John was born on the last day of, say, February, while Jim was born on (for example) March 1. The exact months aren't specified, so John could be born on the last day of a previous month.
Alternatively (with the edit):
Jim isn't Jewish.
Also possible (with the edit):
Jim is a girl, and celebrates her bat mitzvah, not bar mitzvah.
Note: There was another edit, now ALL my solutions are invalid. At the time of posting they were valid, though.
Now possible with new edit:
Jim dies before he turns 13.
answered Nov 29 at 13:18
Excited Raichu
5,5702860
John was born on the last day of, say, February, while Jim was born on (for example) March 1. The exact months aren't specified, so John could be born on the last day of a previous month.
Alternatively (with the edit):
Jim isn't Jewish.
Also possible (with the edit):
Jim is a girl, and celebrates her bat mitzvah, not bar mitzvah.
Note: There was another edit, now ALL my solutions are invalid. At the time of posting they were valid, though.
Now possible with new edit:
Jim dies before he turns 13.
answered Nov 29 at 13:18
Excited Raichu
5,5702860
edited Nov 29 at 13:35
answered Nov 29 at 13:18
Excited Raichu
5,5702860
answered Nov 29 at 13:18
Excited Raichu
5,5702860
answered Nov 29 at 13:18
Excited Raichu
5,5702860
5,5702860
+1 A for effort
– Dr. Shmuel
Nov 29 at 13:48
And FWIW the key difference other than genders for bar/bat mitzvah is that the girls typically do it at age 12, boys at 13.
– ivanivan
Nov 29 at 18:04
1
@ivanivan I know, it's still earlier though.
– Excited Raichu
Nov 29 at 18:05
2
Yes, but I added the comment to clarify for others who may be wondering what the heck the boy/girl thing makes different...
– ivanivan
Nov 29 at 18:06
add a comment |
+1 A for effort
– Dr. Shmuel
Nov 29 at 13:48
And FWIW the key difference other than genders for bar/bat mitzvah is that the girls typically do it at age 12, boys at 13.
– ivanivan
Nov 29 at 18:04
1
@ivanivan I know, it's still earlier though.
– Excited Raichu
Nov 29 at 18:05
2
Yes, but I added the comment to clarify for others who may be wondering what the heck the boy/girl thing makes different...
– ivanivan
Nov 29 at 18:06
+1 A for effort
– Dr. Shmuel
Nov 29 at 13:48
+1 A for effort
– Dr. Shmuel
Nov 29 at 13:48
And FWIW the key difference other than genders for bar/bat mitzvah is that the girls typically do it at age 12, boys at 13.
– ivanivan
Nov 29 at 18:04
And FWIW the key difference other than genders for bar/bat mitzvah is that the girls typically do it at age 12, boys at 13.
– ivanivan
Nov 29 at 18:04
1
1
@ivanivan I know, it's still earlier though.
– Excited Raichu
Nov 29 at 18:05
@ivanivan I know, it's still earlier though.
– Excited Raichu
Nov 29 at 18:05
2
2
Yes, but I added the comment to clarify for others who may be wondering what the heck the boy/girl thing makes different...
– ivanivan
Nov 29 at 18:06
Yes, but I added the comment to clarify for others who may be wondering what the heck the boy/girl thing makes different...
– ivanivan
Nov 29 at 18:06
add a comment |
Might be wrong but:
It doesn't say they were born in the same year, just same month. So John was born at the end of the month one year and Jim was born at the beginning of the month a year later. Thus when 13 years from when John was born he reaches Bar Mitzvah age and not Jim
answered Nov 29 at 13:30
gabbo1092
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Might be wrong but:
It doesn't say they were born in the same year, just same month. So John was born at the end of the month one year and Jim was born at the beginning of the month a year later. Thus when 13 years from when John was born he reaches Bar Mitzvah age and not Jim
answered Nov 29 at 13:30
gabbo1092
4,707738
add a comment |
Might be wrong but:
It doesn't say they were born in the same year, just same month. So John was born at the end of the month one year and Jim was born at the beginning of the month a year later. Thus when 13 years from when John was born he reaches Bar Mitzvah age and not Jim
answered Nov 29 at 13:30
gabbo1092
4,707738
Might be wrong but:
It doesn't say they were born in the same year, just same month. So John was born at the end of the month one year and Jim was born at the beginning of the month a year later. Thus when 13 years from when John was born he reaches Bar Mitzvah age and not Jim
answered Nov 29 at 13:30
gabbo1092
4,707738
answered Nov 29 at 13:30
gabbo1092
4,707738
answered Nov 29 at 13:30
gabbo1092
4,707738
answered Nov 29 at 13:30
gabbo1092
4,707738
4,707738
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Not familiar at all with the customs, but
Maybe John was born on a leap day (29 February, or maybe an equivalent in the Hebrew calendar), and it's customary to move the Bar Mitzvah to an earlier date in case the exact date doesn't exist that year?
answered Nov 29 at 13:33
jafe
16.4k142160
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The Hebrew calendar not only has two months that are sometimes a day longer than otherwise (to avoid Yom Kippur falling on Friday or Sunday, or Hoshana Rabbah on Saturday); it also inserts an entire leap month (Adar I, preceding Adar II, which in common years is simply called "Adar") in 7 of every 19 years. And these peculiarities are related to the odd interpretation of the Bar Mitzvah age.
– Monty Harder
Nov 29 at 17:05
add a comment |
Not familiar at all with the customs, but
Maybe John was born on a leap day (29 February, or maybe an equivalent in the Hebrew calendar), and it's customary to move the Bar Mitzvah to an earlier date in case the exact date doesn't exist that year?
answered Nov 29 at 13:33
jafe
16.4k142160
2
The Hebrew calendar not only has two months that are sometimes a day longer than otherwise (to avoid Yom Kippur falling on Friday or Sunday, or Hoshana Rabbah on Saturday); it also inserts an entire leap month (Adar I, preceding Adar II, which in common years is simply called "Adar") in 7 of every 19 years. And these peculiarities are related to the odd interpretation of the Bar Mitzvah age.
– Monty Harder
Nov 29 at 17:05
add a comment |
Not familiar at all with the customs, but
Maybe John was born on a leap day (29 February, or maybe an equivalent in the Hebrew calendar), and it's customary to move the Bar Mitzvah to an earlier date in case the exact date doesn't exist that year?
answered Nov 29 at 13:33
jafe
16.4k142160
Not familiar at all with the customs, but
Maybe John was born on a leap day (29 February, or maybe an equivalent in the Hebrew calendar), and it's customary to move the Bar Mitzvah to an earlier date in case the exact date doesn't exist that year?
answered Nov 29 at 13:33
jafe
16.4k142160
answered Nov 29 at 13:33
jafe
16.4k142160
answered Nov 29 at 13:33
jafe
16.4k142160
answered Nov 29 at 13:33
jafe
16.4k142160
16.4k142160
2
The Hebrew calendar not only has two months that are sometimes a day longer than otherwise (to avoid Yom Kippur falling on Friday or Sunday, or Hoshana Rabbah on Saturday); it also inserts an entire leap month (Adar I, preceding Adar II, which in common years is simply called "Adar") in 7 of every 19 years. And these peculiarities are related to the odd interpretation of the Bar Mitzvah age.
– Monty Harder
Nov 29 at 17:05
add a comment |
2
The Hebrew calendar not only has two months that are sometimes a day longer than otherwise (to avoid Yom Kippur falling on Friday or Sunday, or Hoshana Rabbah on Saturday); it also inserts an entire leap month (Adar I, preceding Adar II, which in common years is simply called "Adar") in 7 of every 19 years. And these peculiarities are related to the odd interpretation of the Bar Mitzvah age.
– Monty Harder
Nov 29 at 17:05
2
2
The Hebrew calendar not only has two months that are sometimes a day longer than otherwise (to avoid Yom Kippur falling on Friday or Sunday, or Hoshana Rabbah on Saturday); it also inserts an entire leap month (Adar I, preceding Adar II, which in common years is simply called "Adar") in 7 of every 19 years. And these peculiarities are related to the odd interpretation of the Bar Mitzvah age.
– Monty Harder
Nov 29 at 17:05
The Hebrew calendar not only has two months that are sometimes a day longer than otherwise (to avoid Yom Kippur falling on Friday or Sunday, or Hoshana Rabbah on Saturday); it also inserts an entire leap month (Adar I, preceding Adar II, which in common years is simply called "Adar") in 7 of every 19 years. And these peculiarities are related to the odd interpretation of the Bar Mitzvah age.
– Monty Harder
Nov 29 at 17:05
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Because:
Jim gets cryogenically frozen and loses a month of life experience and growth. Suddenly John is older!
edited Nov 29 at 20:47
gabbo1092
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answered Nov 29 at 20:43
CMB
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Not sure why you were downvoted. I also would have upvoted relativistic velocities causing a difference in aging.
– user1717828
Nov 29 at 21:38
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Because:
Jim gets cryogenically frozen and loses a month of life experience and growth. Suddenly John is older!
edited Nov 29 at 20:47
gabbo1092
4,707738
answered Nov 29 at 20:43
CMB
311
Not sure why you were downvoted. I also would have upvoted relativistic velocities causing a difference in aging.
– user1717828
Nov 29 at 21:38
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Because:
Jim gets cryogenically frozen and loses a month of life experience and growth. Suddenly John is older!
edited Nov 29 at 20:47
gabbo1092
4,707738
answered Nov 29 at 20:43
CMB
311
Because:
Jim gets cryogenically frozen and loses a month of life experience and growth. Suddenly John is older!
edited Nov 29 at 20:47
gabbo1092
4,707738
answered Nov 29 at 20:43
CMB
311
edited Nov 29 at 20:47
gabbo1092
4,707738
edited Nov 29 at 20:47
gabbo1092
4,707738
edited Nov 29 at 20:47
gabbo1092
4,707738
4,707738
answered Nov 29 at 20:43
CMB
311
answered Nov 29 at 20:43
CMB
311
answered Nov 29 at 20:43
CMB
311
311
Not sure why you were downvoted. I also would have upvoted relativistic velocities causing a difference in aging.
– user1717828
Nov 29 at 21:38
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Not sure why you were downvoted. I also would have upvoted relativistic velocities causing a difference in aging.
– user1717828
Nov 29 at 21:38
Not sure why you were downvoted. I also would have upvoted relativistic velocities causing a difference in aging.
– user1717828
Nov 29 at 21:38
Not sure why you were downvoted. I also would have upvoted relativistic velocities causing a difference in aging.
– user1717828
Nov 29 at 21:38
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