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$F_1$, $F_2$ are are foci of the ellipse $dfrac{x^2}{9}+dfrac{y^2}{4}=1$.
$P$ is a point on the ellipse such that $|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1;$, then how could I figure out of the area of $∆PF_1F_2$?



As we know $c^2=a^2-b^2=9-4=5$,
$$∴c=pm sqrt5$$ So the epicenter of the ellipse respectively $(sqrt5,0); & ;(-sqrt5,0)$.

We've to find the area of $∆PF_1F_2$ which is $=1/2times F_1F_2times$(perpendicular distance from $P$ to any point of the horizontal line $F_1F_2$)

I'm not understanding what & how to do next... find out the area of ∆PF₁F₂










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    Hint: $|PF_1|^2 + |PF_2|^2 = 4^2 + 2^2 = 20 = |F_1F_2|^2$
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$F_1$, $F_2$ are are foci of the ellipse $dfrac{x^2}{9}+dfrac{y^2}{4}=1$.
$P$ is a point on the ellipse such that $|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1;$, then how could I figure out of the area of $∆PF_1F_2$?



As we know $c^2=a^2-b^2=9-4=5$,
$$∴c=pm sqrt5$$ So the epicenter of the ellipse respectively $(sqrt5,0); & ;(-sqrt5,0)$.

We've to find the area of $∆PF_1F_2$ which is $=1/2times F_1F_2times$(perpendicular distance from $P$ to any point of the horizontal line $F_1F_2$)

I'm not understanding what & how to do next... find out the area of ∆PF₁F₂










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    Hint: $|PF_1|^2 + |PF_2|^2 = 4^2 + 2^2 = 20 = |F_1F_2|^2$
    – achille hui
    Dec 4 at 8:56






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    guys I didn't get the point... I don't understanding anyone's hint😔.By the way this is my first question.. So I'm really happy for you guys commenting in my question ❤
    – RA FI
    Dec 4 at 9:23













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$F_1$, $F_2$ are are foci of the ellipse $dfrac{x^2}{9}+dfrac{y^2}{4}=1$.
$P$ is a point on the ellipse such that $|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1;$, then how could I figure out of the area of $∆PF_1F_2$?



As we know $c^2=a^2-b^2=9-4=5$,
$$∴c=pm sqrt5$$ So the epicenter of the ellipse respectively $(sqrt5,0); & ;(-sqrt5,0)$.

We've to find the area of $∆PF_1F_2$ which is $=1/2times F_1F_2times$(perpendicular distance from $P$ to any point of the horizontal line $F_1F_2$)

I'm not understanding what & how to do next... find out the area of ∆PF₁F₂










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$F_1$, $F_2$ are are foci of the ellipse $dfrac{x^2}{9}+dfrac{y^2}{4}=1$.
$P$ is a point on the ellipse such that $|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1;$, then how could I figure out of the area of $∆PF_1F_2$?



As we know $c^2=a^2-b^2=9-4=5$,
$$∴c=pm sqrt5$$ So the epicenter of the ellipse respectively $(sqrt5,0); & ;(-sqrt5,0)$.

We've to find the area of $∆PF_1F_2$ which is $=1/2times F_1F_2times$(perpendicular distance from $P$ to any point of the horizontal line $F_1F_2$)

I'm not understanding what & how to do next... find out the area of ∆PF₁F₂







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    Hint: $|PF_1|^2 + |PF_2|^2 = 4^2 + 2^2 = 20 = |F_1F_2|^2$
    – achille hui
    Dec 4 at 8:56






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    guys I didn't get the point... I don't understanding anyone's hint😔.By the way this is my first question.. So I'm really happy for you guys commenting in my question ❤
    – RA FI
    Dec 4 at 9:23














  • 2




    Hint: $|PF_1|^2 + |PF_2|^2 = 4^2 + 2^2 = 20 = |F_1F_2|^2$
    – achille hui
    Dec 4 at 8:56






  • 1




    guys I didn't get the point... I don't understanding anyone's hint😔.By the way this is my first question.. So I'm really happy for you guys commenting in my question ❤
    – RA FI
    Dec 4 at 9:23








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Hint: $|PF_1|^2 + |PF_2|^2 = 4^2 + 2^2 = 20 = |F_1F_2|^2$
– achille hui
Dec 4 at 8:56




Hint: $|PF_1|^2 + |PF_2|^2 = 4^2 + 2^2 = 20 = |F_1F_2|^2$
– achille hui
Dec 4 at 8:56




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guys I didn't get the point... I don't understanding anyone's hint😔.By the way this is my first question.. So I'm really happy for you guys commenting in my question ❤
– RA FI
Dec 4 at 9:23




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Referring to the graph:



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Note that $|PF_1|+|PF_2|=|AF_1|+|AF_2|=2a=6$. Using the given condition $|PF_1|=2|PF_2|$, we find $|PF_1|=4, |PF_2|=2$. You can use Heron's formula to find the area of $Delta PF_1F_2$:
$$ a=|PF_1|=4, b=|PF_2|=2, c=|F_1F_2|=2sqrt{5}, p=frac{a+b+c}{2}=3+sqrt{5}; \
S=sqrt{p(p-a)(p-b)(p-c)}=sqrt{(3+sqrt{5})(sqrt{5}-1)(sqrt{5}+1)(3-sqrt{5})}=4.$$






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With the use of the definition of ellipse $$|PF_1|+|PF_2|=2a=6$$ and the given ratio $$|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1,$$ we get $$|PF_1|=4, ; |PF_2|=2$$
Since $F_1F_2=2sqrt 5=sqrt{20}=sqrt{4^2+2^2},$ we have a right triangle $triangle PF_1F_2$ with hypotenuse $F_1F_2.$ The area is $$mathcal{A}=frac 12 cdot |PF_1|cdot |PF_2|=4$$






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WLOG $P(3cos t,2sin t)$



$$|PF_1|^2=(3cos t-sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$



$$|PF_2|^2=(3cos t+sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$



$$dfrac{|PF_1|^2}{|PF_2|^2}=2^2$$



Use $sin^2t=1-cos^2t$ to form a Quadratic Equation in $cos t$






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    Referring to the graph:



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    Note that $|PF_1|+|PF_2|=|AF_1|+|AF_2|=2a=6$. Using the given condition $|PF_1|=2|PF_2|$, we find $|PF_1|=4, |PF_2|=2$. You can use Heron's formula to find the area of $Delta PF_1F_2$:
    $$ a=|PF_1|=4, b=|PF_2|=2, c=|F_1F_2|=2sqrt{5}, p=frac{a+b+c}{2}=3+sqrt{5}; \
    S=sqrt{p(p-a)(p-b)(p-c)}=sqrt{(3+sqrt{5})(sqrt{5}-1)(sqrt{5}+1)(3-sqrt{5})}=4.$$






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    • I don't know how should I give you thanks...your answer helps me very much.... ❤❤❤
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 10:57










    • You are welcome. Note that achille hui hinted to the Pythagoras theorem, implying the triange was right. Good luck.
      – farruhota
      Dec 4 at 10:59










    • How could you find out the graph?any mobile apps?
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 11:07










    • I used desmos for raw graph and edited it.
      – farruhota
      Dec 4 at 11:09










    • You can also use graphing calculator.By the way how do u edit this? can I do this in mobile?
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 14:33















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    Referring to the graph:



    $hspace{2cm}$![enter image description here



    Note that $|PF_1|+|PF_2|=|AF_1|+|AF_2|=2a=6$. Using the given condition $|PF_1|=2|PF_2|$, we find $|PF_1|=4, |PF_2|=2$. You can use Heron's formula to find the area of $Delta PF_1F_2$:
    $$ a=|PF_1|=4, b=|PF_2|=2, c=|F_1F_2|=2sqrt{5}, p=frac{a+b+c}{2}=3+sqrt{5}; \
    S=sqrt{p(p-a)(p-b)(p-c)}=sqrt{(3+sqrt{5})(sqrt{5}-1)(sqrt{5}+1)(3-sqrt{5})}=4.$$






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    • I don't know how should I give you thanks...your answer helps me very much.... ❤❤❤
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 10:57










    • You are welcome. Note that achille hui hinted to the Pythagoras theorem, implying the triange was right. Good luck.
      – farruhota
      Dec 4 at 10:59










    • How could you find out the graph?any mobile apps?
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 11:07










    • I used desmos for raw graph and edited it.
      – farruhota
      Dec 4 at 11:09










    • You can also use graphing calculator.By the way how do u edit this? can I do this in mobile?
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 14:33













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    Referring to the graph:



    $hspace{2cm}$![enter image description here



    Note that $|PF_1|+|PF_2|=|AF_1|+|AF_2|=2a=6$. Using the given condition $|PF_1|=2|PF_2|$, we find $|PF_1|=4, |PF_2|=2$. You can use Heron's formula to find the area of $Delta PF_1F_2$:
    $$ a=|PF_1|=4, b=|PF_2|=2, c=|F_1F_2|=2sqrt{5}, p=frac{a+b+c}{2}=3+sqrt{5}; \
    S=sqrt{p(p-a)(p-b)(p-c)}=sqrt{(3+sqrt{5})(sqrt{5}-1)(sqrt{5}+1)(3-sqrt{5})}=4.$$






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    Referring to the graph:



    $hspace{2cm}$![enter image description here



    Note that $|PF_1|+|PF_2|=|AF_1|+|AF_2|=2a=6$. Using the given condition $|PF_1|=2|PF_2|$, we find $|PF_1|=4, |PF_2|=2$. You can use Heron's formula to find the area of $Delta PF_1F_2$:
    $$ a=|PF_1|=4, b=|PF_2|=2, c=|F_1F_2|=2sqrt{5}, p=frac{a+b+c}{2}=3+sqrt{5}; \
    S=sqrt{p(p-a)(p-b)(p-c)}=sqrt{(3+sqrt{5})(sqrt{5}-1)(sqrt{5}+1)(3-sqrt{5})}=4.$$







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    • I don't know how should I give you thanks...your answer helps me very much.... ❤❤❤
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 10:57










    • You are welcome. Note that achille hui hinted to the Pythagoras theorem, implying the triange was right. Good luck.
      – farruhota
      Dec 4 at 10:59










    • How could you find out the graph?any mobile apps?
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 11:07










    • I used desmos for raw graph and edited it.
      – farruhota
      Dec 4 at 11:09










    • You can also use graphing calculator.By the way how do u edit this? can I do this in mobile?
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 14:33


















    • I don't know how should I give you thanks...your answer helps me very much.... ❤❤❤
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 10:57










    • You are welcome. Note that achille hui hinted to the Pythagoras theorem, implying the triange was right. Good luck.
      – farruhota
      Dec 4 at 10:59










    • How could you find out the graph?any mobile apps?
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 11:07










    • I used desmos for raw graph and edited it.
      – farruhota
      Dec 4 at 11:09










    • You can also use graphing calculator.By the way how do u edit this? can I do this in mobile?
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 14:33
















    I don't know how should I give you thanks...your answer helps me very much.... ❤❤❤
    – RA FI
    Dec 4 at 10:57




    I don't know how should I give you thanks...your answer helps me very much.... ❤❤❤
    – RA FI
    Dec 4 at 10:57












    You are welcome. Note that achille hui hinted to the Pythagoras theorem, implying the triange was right. Good luck.
    – farruhota
    Dec 4 at 10:59




    You are welcome. Note that achille hui hinted to the Pythagoras theorem, implying the triange was right. Good luck.
    – farruhota
    Dec 4 at 10:59












    How could you find out the graph?any mobile apps?
    – RA FI
    Dec 4 at 11:07




    How could you find out the graph?any mobile apps?
    – RA FI
    Dec 4 at 11:07












    I used desmos for raw graph and edited it.
    – farruhota
    Dec 4 at 11:09




    I used desmos for raw graph and edited it.
    – farruhota
    Dec 4 at 11:09












    You can also use graphing calculator.By the way how do u edit this? can I do this in mobile?
    – RA FI
    Dec 4 at 14:33




    You can also use graphing calculator.By the way how do u edit this? can I do this in mobile?
    – RA FI
    Dec 4 at 14:33










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    With the use of the definition of ellipse $$|PF_1|+|PF_2|=2a=6$$ and the given ratio $$|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1,$$ we get $$|PF_1|=4, ; |PF_2|=2$$
    Since $F_1F_2=2sqrt 5=sqrt{20}=sqrt{4^2+2^2},$ we have a right triangle $triangle PF_1F_2$ with hypotenuse $F_1F_2.$ The area is $$mathcal{A}=frac 12 cdot |PF_1|cdot |PF_2|=4$$






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      Oh you've done with very simple method. thanks 😍❤
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 11:03










    • The school exercises often consider special (even trivial) cases :) Oh, I am reading comments and answers only now and I see there are traces indicating the same...
      – user376343
      Dec 4 at 11:09










    • Are u talking about the emojis?😅😂
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 14:21










    • My phone keyboard has this emojis.Are you using from computer?
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 14:52










    • Thanks, I didn't think this could be used within MSE 🦊
      – user376343
      Dec 4 at 15:13















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    With the use of the definition of ellipse $$|PF_1|+|PF_2|=2a=6$$ and the given ratio $$|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1,$$ we get $$|PF_1|=4, ; |PF_2|=2$$
    Since $F_1F_2=2sqrt 5=sqrt{20}=sqrt{4^2+2^2},$ we have a right triangle $triangle PF_1F_2$ with hypotenuse $F_1F_2.$ The area is $$mathcal{A}=frac 12 cdot |PF_1|cdot |PF_2|=4$$






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      Oh you've done with very simple method. thanks 😍❤
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 11:03










    • The school exercises often consider special (even trivial) cases :) Oh, I am reading comments and answers only now and I see there are traces indicating the same...
      – user376343
      Dec 4 at 11:09










    • Are u talking about the emojis?😅😂
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 14:21










    • My phone keyboard has this emojis.Are you using from computer?
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 14:52










    • Thanks, I didn't think this could be used within MSE 🦊
      – user376343
      Dec 4 at 15:13













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    With the use of the definition of ellipse $$|PF_1|+|PF_2|=2a=6$$ and the given ratio $$|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1,$$ we get $$|PF_1|=4, ; |PF_2|=2$$
    Since $F_1F_2=2sqrt 5=sqrt{20}=sqrt{4^2+2^2},$ we have a right triangle $triangle PF_1F_2$ with hypotenuse $F_1F_2.$ The area is $$mathcal{A}=frac 12 cdot |PF_1|cdot |PF_2|=4$$






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    With the use of the definition of ellipse $$|PF_1|+|PF_2|=2a=6$$ and the given ratio $$|PF_1|:|PF_2|=2:1,$$ we get $$|PF_1|=4, ; |PF_2|=2$$
    Since $F_1F_2=2sqrt 5=sqrt{20}=sqrt{4^2+2^2},$ we have a right triangle $triangle PF_1F_2$ with hypotenuse $F_1F_2.$ The area is $$mathcal{A}=frac 12 cdot |PF_1|cdot |PF_2|=4$$







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      Oh you've done with very simple method. thanks 😍❤
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 11:03










    • The school exercises often consider special (even trivial) cases :) Oh, I am reading comments and answers only now and I see there are traces indicating the same...
      – user376343
      Dec 4 at 11:09










    • Are u talking about the emojis?😅😂
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 14:21










    • My phone keyboard has this emojis.Are you using from computer?
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 14:52










    • Thanks, I didn't think this could be used within MSE 🦊
      – user376343
      Dec 4 at 15:13














    • 1




      Oh you've done with very simple method. thanks 😍❤
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 11:03










    • The school exercises often consider special (even trivial) cases :) Oh, I am reading comments and answers only now and I see there are traces indicating the same...
      – user376343
      Dec 4 at 11:09










    • Are u talking about the emojis?😅😂
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 14:21










    • My phone keyboard has this emojis.Are you using from computer?
      – RA FI
      Dec 4 at 14:52










    • Thanks, I didn't think this could be used within MSE 🦊
      – user376343
      Dec 4 at 15:13








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    Oh you've done with very simple method. thanks 😍❤
    – RA FI
    Dec 4 at 11:03




    Oh you've done with very simple method. thanks 😍❤
    – RA FI
    Dec 4 at 11:03












    The school exercises often consider special (even trivial) cases :) Oh, I am reading comments and answers only now and I see there are traces indicating the same...
    – user376343
    Dec 4 at 11:09




    The school exercises often consider special (even trivial) cases :) Oh, I am reading comments and answers only now and I see there are traces indicating the same...
    – user376343
    Dec 4 at 11:09












    Are u talking about the emojis?😅😂
    – RA FI
    Dec 4 at 14:21




    Are u talking about the emojis?😅😂
    – RA FI
    Dec 4 at 14:21












    My phone keyboard has this emojis.Are you using from computer?
    – RA FI
    Dec 4 at 14:52




    My phone keyboard has this emojis.Are you using from computer?
    – RA FI
    Dec 4 at 14:52












    Thanks, I didn't think this could be used within MSE 🦊
    – user376343
    Dec 4 at 15:13




    Thanks, I didn't think this could be used within MSE 🦊
    – user376343
    Dec 4 at 15:13










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    Hint:



    WLOG $P(3cos t,2sin t)$



    $$|PF_1|^2=(3cos t-sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$



    $$|PF_2|^2=(3cos t+sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$



    $$dfrac{|PF_1|^2}{|PF_2|^2}=2^2$$



    Use $sin^2t=1-cos^2t$ to form a Quadratic Equation in $cos t$






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      Hint:



      WLOG $P(3cos t,2sin t)$



      $$|PF_1|^2=(3cos t-sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$



      $$|PF_2|^2=(3cos t+sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$



      $$dfrac{|PF_1|^2}{|PF_2|^2}=2^2$$



      Use $sin^2t=1-cos^2t$ to form a Quadratic Equation in $cos t$






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        Hint:



        WLOG $P(3cos t,2sin t)$



        $$|PF_1|^2=(3cos t-sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$



        $$|PF_2|^2=(3cos t+sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$



        $$dfrac{|PF_1|^2}{|PF_2|^2}=2^2$$



        Use $sin^2t=1-cos^2t$ to form a Quadratic Equation in $cos t$






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        Hint:



        WLOG $P(3cos t,2sin t)$



        $$|PF_1|^2=(3cos t-sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$



        $$|PF_2|^2=(3cos t+sqrt5)^2+(2sin t-0)^2=?$$



        $$dfrac{|PF_1|^2}{|PF_2|^2}=2^2$$



        Use $sin^2t=1-cos^2t$ to form a Quadratic Equation in $cos t$







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