Is it possible to construct an overnight shelter using a bike as the upright?
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Next year I might find myself needing a lightweight touring/camping shelter, suitable for overnight stops at camspites and at the roadside. One option is a single-hoop bivvy tent (example) but many of these aren't much lighter than my hiking tent, and they're rather expensive. A hoopless bivvy bag seems more like emergency kit to me (with the exception of the Salewa which allows the hood to be lifted with a cord to a branch, fence, or bike). My choice is rather restricted by my height -I'm too tall for many of them. We can a assume a decent weather forecast before setting out for a few days, so some need for rain-proofing (and face cover) but not planning to be out in a storm.
As an alternative I wondered about getting a tarp, and using the bike itself (held up with guy ropes and possibly a kickstand) to lift the head end. This would have the advantage of no poles to carry, making packing very easy. Has this been done before? Are there any plans in existence? I've got reasonable DIY/craft skills and equipment but not really for working on fabric beyond minor modifications.
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Next year I might find myself needing a lightweight touring/camping shelter, suitable for overnight stops at camspites and at the roadside. One option is a single-hoop bivvy tent (example) but many of these aren't much lighter than my hiking tent, and they're rather expensive. A hoopless bivvy bag seems more like emergency kit to me (with the exception of the Salewa which allows the hood to be lifted with a cord to a branch, fence, or bike). My choice is rather restricted by my height -I'm too tall for many of them. We can a assume a decent weather forecast before setting out for a few days, so some need for rain-proofing (and face cover) but not planning to be out in a storm.
As an alternative I wondered about getting a tarp, and using the bike itself (held up with guy ropes and possibly a kickstand) to lift the head end. This would have the advantage of no poles to carry, making packing very easy. Has this been done before? Are there any plans in existence? I've got reasonable DIY/craft skills and equipment but not really for working on fabric beyond minor modifications.
touring equipment
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Chris H
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I honestly doubt it’s a good idea. If you plan to use a tarp (with all its disadvantages) the bike could serve as a last-resort anchor point/pole if you can’t find anything else. But I wouldn’t plan on using it regularly this way. Reliable 1-man, double walled tents with less than 1.5kg are readily available.
– Michael
14 hours ago
@Michael but (i) those tents are expensive (apart from a few junk ones) and (ii) I've already got an old 1 man 1.9kg tent, which I have used for bike camping and it's great. But it's bulky & inflexible to pack - there's no way I'd avoid panniers with it taking all the space behind the saddle. (iii) pitching a full tent at the side of the road is rather obviously a proper overnight stop which isn't allowed. A quick shelter (maybe using the bike, maybe not) is less obtrusive. Just (e.g.) wrapping the tarp round a sleeping bag would do on a clear night. I'd like a campsite every 2 nights min.
– Chris H
14 hours ago
BTW whatever I go for (assuming it's not just taking my existing tent), I'll be able to try at home overnight, and of course I'll take pictures
– Chris H
11 hours ago
1
I've used an old GoLite Cave tarp shelter for a lot of bike camping. You just find a stick to use for an upright, or two sticks if there's not a tree for one end. On a bike you presumably even have a few miles to find yourself a good stick if you're worried about trying to camp where there are none to be found.
– Nathan Knutson
5 hours ago
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up vote
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Next year I might find myself needing a lightweight touring/camping shelter, suitable for overnight stops at camspites and at the roadside. One option is a single-hoop bivvy tent (example) but many of these aren't much lighter than my hiking tent, and they're rather expensive. A hoopless bivvy bag seems more like emergency kit to me (with the exception of the Salewa which allows the hood to be lifted with a cord to a branch, fence, or bike). My choice is rather restricted by my height -I'm too tall for many of them. We can a assume a decent weather forecast before setting out for a few days, so some need for rain-proofing (and face cover) but not planning to be out in a storm.
As an alternative I wondered about getting a tarp, and using the bike itself (held up with guy ropes and possibly a kickstand) to lift the head end. This would have the advantage of no poles to carry, making packing very easy. Has this been done before? Are there any plans in existence? I've got reasonable DIY/craft skills and equipment but not really for working on fabric beyond minor modifications.
touring equipment
asked 16 hours ago
Chris H
21k13397
Next year I might find myself needing a lightweight touring/camping shelter, suitable for overnight stops at camspites and at the roadside. One option is a single-hoop bivvy tent (example) but many of these aren't much lighter than my hiking tent, and they're rather expensive. A hoopless bivvy bag seems more like emergency kit to me (with the exception of the Salewa which allows the hood to be lifted with a cord to a branch, fence, or bike). My choice is rather restricted by my height -I'm too tall for many of them. We can a assume a decent weather forecast before setting out for a few days, so some need for rain-proofing (and face cover) but not planning to be out in a storm.
As an alternative I wondered about getting a tarp, and using the bike itself (held up with guy ropes and possibly a kickstand) to lift the head end. This would have the advantage of no poles to carry, making packing very easy. Has this been done before? Are there any plans in existence? I've got reasonable DIY/craft skills and equipment but not really for working on fabric beyond minor modifications.
touring equipment
touring equipment
asked 16 hours ago
Chris H
21k13397
asked 16 hours ago
Chris H
21k13397
asked 16 hours ago
Chris H
21k13397
asked 16 hours ago
Chris H
21k13397
asked 16 hours ago
Chris H
21k13397
21k13397
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I honestly doubt it’s a good idea. If you plan to use a tarp (with all its disadvantages) the bike could serve as a last-resort anchor point/pole if you can’t find anything else. But I wouldn’t plan on using it regularly this way. Reliable 1-man, double walled tents with less than 1.5kg are readily available.
– Michael
14 hours ago
@Michael but (i) those tents are expensive (apart from a few junk ones) and (ii) I've already got an old 1 man 1.9kg tent, which I have used for bike camping and it's great. But it's bulky & inflexible to pack - there's no way I'd avoid panniers with it taking all the space behind the saddle. (iii) pitching a full tent at the side of the road is rather obviously a proper overnight stop which isn't allowed. A quick shelter (maybe using the bike, maybe not) is less obtrusive. Just (e.g.) wrapping the tarp round a sleeping bag would do on a clear night. I'd like a campsite every 2 nights min.
– Chris H
14 hours ago
BTW whatever I go for (assuming it's not just taking my existing tent), I'll be able to try at home overnight, and of course I'll take pictures
– Chris H
11 hours ago
1
I've used an old GoLite Cave tarp shelter for a lot of bike camping. You just find a stick to use for an upright, or two sticks if there's not a tree for one end. On a bike you presumably even have a few miles to find yourself a good stick if you're worried about trying to camp where there are none to be found.
– Nathan Knutson
5 hours ago
add a comment |
1
I honestly doubt it’s a good idea. If you plan to use a tarp (with all its disadvantages) the bike could serve as a last-resort anchor point/pole if you can’t find anything else. But I wouldn’t plan on using it regularly this way. Reliable 1-man, double walled tents with less than 1.5kg are readily available.
– Michael
14 hours ago
@Michael but (i) those tents are expensive (apart from a few junk ones) and (ii) I've already got an old 1 man 1.9kg tent, which I have used for bike camping and it's great. But it's bulky & inflexible to pack - there's no way I'd avoid panniers with it taking all the space behind the saddle. (iii) pitching a full tent at the side of the road is rather obviously a proper overnight stop which isn't allowed. A quick shelter (maybe using the bike, maybe not) is less obtrusive. Just (e.g.) wrapping the tarp round a sleeping bag would do on a clear night. I'd like a campsite every 2 nights min.
– Chris H
14 hours ago
BTW whatever I go for (assuming it's not just taking my existing tent), I'll be able to try at home overnight, and of course I'll take pictures
– Chris H
11 hours ago
1
I've used an old GoLite Cave tarp shelter for a lot of bike camping. You just find a stick to use for an upright, or two sticks if there's not a tree for one end. On a bike you presumably even have a few miles to find yourself a good stick if you're worried about trying to camp where there are none to be found.
– Nathan Knutson
5 hours ago
1
1
I honestly doubt it’s a good idea. If you plan to use a tarp (with all its disadvantages) the bike could serve as a last-resort anchor point/pole if you can’t find anything else. But I wouldn’t plan on using it regularly this way. Reliable 1-man, double walled tents with less than 1.5kg are readily available.
– Michael
14 hours ago
I honestly doubt it’s a good idea. If you plan to use a tarp (with all its disadvantages) the bike could serve as a last-resort anchor point/pole if you can’t find anything else. But I wouldn’t plan on using it regularly this way. Reliable 1-man, double walled tents with less than 1.5kg are readily available.
– Michael
14 hours ago
@Michael but (i) those tents are expensive (apart from a few junk ones) and (ii) I've already got an old 1 man 1.9kg tent, which I have used for bike camping and it's great. But it's bulky & inflexible to pack - there's no way I'd avoid panniers with it taking all the space behind the saddle. (iii) pitching a full tent at the side of the road is rather obviously a proper overnight stop which isn't allowed. A quick shelter (maybe using the bike, maybe not) is less obtrusive. Just (e.g.) wrapping the tarp round a sleeping bag would do on a clear night. I'd like a campsite every 2 nights min.
– Chris H
14 hours ago
@Michael but (i) those tents are expensive (apart from a few junk ones) and (ii) I've already got an old 1 man 1.9kg tent, which I have used for bike camping and it's great. But it's bulky & inflexible to pack - there's no way I'd avoid panniers with it taking all the space behind the saddle. (iii) pitching a full tent at the side of the road is rather obviously a proper overnight stop which isn't allowed. A quick shelter (maybe using the bike, maybe not) is less obtrusive. Just (e.g.) wrapping the tarp round a sleeping bag would do on a clear night. I'd like a campsite every 2 nights min.
– Chris H
14 hours ago
BTW whatever I go for (assuming it's not just taking my existing tent), I'll be able to try at home overnight, and of course I'll take pictures
– Chris H
11 hours ago
BTW whatever I go for (assuming it's not just taking my existing tent), I'll be able to try at home overnight, and of course I'll take pictures
– Chris H
11 hours ago
1
1
I've used an old GoLite Cave tarp shelter for a lot of bike camping. You just find a stick to use for an upright, or two sticks if there's not a tree for one end. On a bike you presumably even have a few miles to find yourself a good stick if you're worried about trying to camp where there are none to be found.
– Nathan Knutson
5 hours ago
I've used an old GoLite Cave tarp shelter for a lot of bike camping. You just find a stick to use for an upright, or two sticks if there's not a tree for one end. On a bike you presumably even have a few miles to find yourself a good stick if you're worried about trying to camp where there are none to be found.
– Nathan Knutson
5 hours ago
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Get a tarp, and use your bike to provide at least three mounting points for it.
Dozens of examples of how people do it: https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/54639/
My quick and dirty solution several years ago:
If you want a fancier solution, there are "bike-specific tents" (google the phrase):
image source
answered 15 hours ago
Grigory Rechistov
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I particularly like the photo at your link showing the tarp as sleeping arrangment but a full-size moka pot on the stove. That would be perfect. There are some very good ideas there.
– Chris H
15 hours ago
3
I want to see how the second arrangement fares in 20–30 m/s winds.
– gerrit
14 hours ago
@gerrit: At least the “poles” (i.e. the bike) won’t break ;)
– Michael
14 hours ago
Maybe it's just teh angle of the photograph - but even if that is a 29er, comparison with the frame size makes me think the 'tent' is only about 1.5 m long.
– Penguino
53 mins ago
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8
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Yes, its been done before, there are various configurations.
Google for 'Bikepacking tarp shelter' for many ideas.
Good resources for this type of thing are
bikepacking.net forums and in the UK Bear bones bikepacking.
Here are some examples:
answered 15 hours ago
Andy P
3,092613
2
Butbutbut Rule Forty-Niiiiiiiiiine! 😉
– David Richerby
15 hours ago
4
David’s joke has some truth in it. Putting your bike upside down on wet ground can damage your saddle or bar tape/grips. Scratches, mould etc. I’ve even had ants eating my leather saddle.
– Michael
14 hours ago
1
@Michael How dare you be serious! Hydraulic disk brakes don't like being turned upside-down, too, right?
– David Richerby
13 hours ago
i think this method is bad, wont the nuts on the bike rust?
– Lam Munn Juan
12 hours ago
1
I think with a decent pair of guys, the bike should be more stable the right way up plus my aerobars and navigation/phone mount on the stem would end up shoved into the mud. (@DavidRicherby etc.)
– Chris H
10 hours ago
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2 Answers
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
8
down vote
Get a tarp, and use your bike to provide at least three mounting points for it.
Dozens of examples of how people do it: https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/54639/
My quick and dirty solution several years ago:
If you want a fancier solution, there are "bike-specific tents" (google the phrase):
image source
answered 15 hours ago
Grigory Rechistov
4,094828
3
I particularly like the photo at your link showing the tarp as sleeping arrangment but a full-size moka pot on the stove. That would be perfect. There are some very good ideas there.
– Chris H
15 hours ago
3
I want to see how the second arrangement fares in 20–30 m/s winds.
– gerrit
14 hours ago
@gerrit: At least the “poles” (i.e. the bike) won’t break ;)
– Michael
14 hours ago
Maybe it's just teh angle of the photograph - but even if that is a 29er, comparison with the frame size makes me think the 'tent' is only about 1.5 m long.
– Penguino
53 mins ago
add a comment |
up vote
8
down vote
Get a tarp, and use your bike to provide at least three mounting points for it.
Dozens of examples of how people do it: https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/54639/
My quick and dirty solution several years ago:
If you want a fancier solution, there are "bike-specific tents" (google the phrase):
image source
answered 15 hours ago
Grigory Rechistov
4,094828
3
I particularly like the photo at your link showing the tarp as sleeping arrangment but a full-size moka pot on the stove. That would be perfect. There are some very good ideas there.
– Chris H
15 hours ago
3
I want to see how the second arrangement fares in 20–30 m/s winds.
– gerrit
14 hours ago
@gerrit: At least the “poles” (i.e. the bike) won’t break ;)
– Michael
14 hours ago
Maybe it's just teh angle of the photograph - but even if that is a 29er, comparison with the frame size makes me think the 'tent' is only about 1.5 m long.
– Penguino
53 mins ago
add a comment |
up vote
8
down vote
up vote
8
down vote
Get a tarp, and use your bike to provide at least three mounting points for it.
Dozens of examples of how people do it: https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/54639/
My quick and dirty solution several years ago:
If you want a fancier solution, there are "bike-specific tents" (google the phrase):
image source
answered 15 hours ago
Grigory Rechistov
4,094828
Get a tarp, and use your bike to provide at least three mounting points for it.
Dozens of examples of how people do it: https://backpackinglight.com/forums/topic/54639/
My quick and dirty solution several years ago:
If you want a fancier solution, there are "bike-specific tents" (google the phrase):
image source
answered 15 hours ago
Grigory Rechistov
4,094828
answered 15 hours ago
Grigory Rechistov
4,094828
answered 15 hours ago
Grigory Rechistov
4,094828
answered 15 hours ago
Grigory Rechistov
4,094828
4,094828
3
I particularly like the photo at your link showing the tarp as sleeping arrangment but a full-size moka pot on the stove. That would be perfect. There are some very good ideas there.
– Chris H
15 hours ago
3
I want to see how the second arrangement fares in 20–30 m/s winds.
– gerrit
14 hours ago
@gerrit: At least the “poles” (i.e. the bike) won’t break ;)
– Michael
14 hours ago
Maybe it's just teh angle of the photograph - but even if that is a 29er, comparison with the frame size makes me think the 'tent' is only about 1.5 m long.
– Penguino
53 mins ago
add a comment |
3
I particularly like the photo at your link showing the tarp as sleeping arrangment but a full-size moka pot on the stove. That would be perfect. There are some very good ideas there.
– Chris H
15 hours ago
3
I want to see how the second arrangement fares in 20–30 m/s winds.
– gerrit
14 hours ago
@gerrit: At least the “poles” (i.e. the bike) won’t break ;)
– Michael
14 hours ago
Maybe it's just teh angle of the photograph - but even if that is a 29er, comparison with the frame size makes me think the 'tent' is only about 1.5 m long.
– Penguino
53 mins ago
3
3
I particularly like the photo at your link showing the tarp as sleeping arrangment but a full-size moka pot on the stove. That would be perfect. There are some very good ideas there.
– Chris H
15 hours ago
I particularly like the photo at your link showing the tarp as sleeping arrangment but a full-size moka pot on the stove. That would be perfect. There are some very good ideas there.
– Chris H
15 hours ago
3
3
I want to see how the second arrangement fares in 20–30 m/s winds.
– gerrit
14 hours ago
I want to see how the second arrangement fares in 20–30 m/s winds.
– gerrit
14 hours ago
@gerrit: At least the “poles” (i.e. the bike) won’t break ;)
– Michael
14 hours ago
@gerrit: At least the “poles” (i.e. the bike) won’t break ;)
– Michael
14 hours ago
Maybe it's just teh angle of the photograph - but even if that is a 29er, comparison with the frame size makes me think the 'tent' is only about 1.5 m long.
– Penguino
53 mins ago
Maybe it's just teh angle of the photograph - but even if that is a 29er, comparison with the frame size makes me think the 'tent' is only about 1.5 m long.
– Penguino
53 mins ago
add a comment |
up vote
8
down vote
Yes, its been done before, there are various configurations.
Google for 'Bikepacking tarp shelter' for many ideas.
Good resources for this type of thing are
bikepacking.net forums and in the UK Bear bones bikepacking.
Here are some examples:
answered 15 hours ago
Andy P
3,092613
2
Butbutbut Rule Forty-Niiiiiiiiiine! 😉
– David Richerby
15 hours ago
4
David’s joke has some truth in it. Putting your bike upside down on wet ground can damage your saddle or bar tape/grips. Scratches, mould etc. I’ve even had ants eating my leather saddle.
– Michael
14 hours ago
1
@Michael How dare you be serious! Hydraulic disk brakes don't like being turned upside-down, too, right?
– David Richerby
13 hours ago
i think this method is bad, wont the nuts on the bike rust?
– Lam Munn Juan
12 hours ago
1
I think with a decent pair of guys, the bike should be more stable the right way up plus my aerobars and navigation/phone mount on the stem would end up shoved into the mud. (@DavidRicherby etc.)
– Chris H
10 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
up vote
8
down vote
Yes, its been done before, there are various configurations.
Google for 'Bikepacking tarp shelter' for many ideas.
Good resources for this type of thing are
bikepacking.net forums and in the UK Bear bones bikepacking.
Here are some examples:
answered 15 hours ago
Andy P
3,092613
2
Butbutbut Rule Forty-Niiiiiiiiiine! 😉
– David Richerby
15 hours ago
4
David’s joke has some truth in it. Putting your bike upside down on wet ground can damage your saddle or bar tape/grips. Scratches, mould etc. I’ve even had ants eating my leather saddle.
– Michael
14 hours ago
1
@Michael How dare you be serious! Hydraulic disk brakes don't like being turned upside-down, too, right?
– David Richerby
13 hours ago
i think this method is bad, wont the nuts on the bike rust?
– Lam Munn Juan
12 hours ago
1
I think with a decent pair of guys, the bike should be more stable the right way up plus my aerobars and navigation/phone mount on the stem would end up shoved into the mud. (@DavidRicherby etc.)
– Chris H
10 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
up vote
8
down vote
up vote
8
down vote
Yes, its been done before, there are various configurations.
Google for 'Bikepacking tarp shelter' for many ideas.
Good resources for this type of thing are
bikepacking.net forums and in the UK Bear bones bikepacking.
Here are some examples:
answered 15 hours ago
Andy P
3,092613
Yes, its been done before, there are various configurations.
Google for 'Bikepacking tarp shelter' for many ideas.
Good resources for this type of thing are
bikepacking.net forums and in the UK Bear bones bikepacking.
Here are some examples:
answered 15 hours ago
Andy P
3,092613
answered 15 hours ago
Andy P
3,092613
answered 15 hours ago
Andy P
3,092613
answered 15 hours ago
Andy P
3,092613
3,092613
2
Butbutbut Rule Forty-Niiiiiiiiiine! 😉
– David Richerby
15 hours ago
4
David’s joke has some truth in it. Putting your bike upside down on wet ground can damage your saddle or bar tape/grips. Scratches, mould etc. I’ve even had ants eating my leather saddle.
– Michael
14 hours ago
1
@Michael How dare you be serious! Hydraulic disk brakes don't like being turned upside-down, too, right?
– David Richerby
13 hours ago
i think this method is bad, wont the nuts on the bike rust?
– Lam Munn Juan
12 hours ago
1
I think with a decent pair of guys, the bike should be more stable the right way up plus my aerobars and navigation/phone mount on the stem would end up shoved into the mud. (@DavidRicherby etc.)
– Chris H
10 hours ago
|
show 1 more comment
2
Butbutbut Rule Forty-Niiiiiiiiiine! 😉
– David Richerby
15 hours ago
4
David’s joke has some truth in it. Putting your bike upside down on wet ground can damage your saddle or bar tape/grips. Scratches, mould etc. I’ve even had ants eating my leather saddle.
– Michael
14 hours ago
1
@Michael How dare you be serious! Hydraulic disk brakes don't like being turned upside-down, too, right?
– David Richerby
13 hours ago
i think this method is bad, wont the nuts on the bike rust?
– Lam Munn Juan
12 hours ago
1
I think with a decent pair of guys, the bike should be more stable the right way up plus my aerobars and navigation/phone mount on the stem would end up shoved into the mud. (@DavidRicherby etc.)
– Chris H
10 hours ago
2
2
Butbutbut Rule Forty-Niiiiiiiiiine! 😉
– David Richerby
15 hours ago
Butbutbut Rule Forty-Niiiiiiiiiine! 😉
– David Richerby
15 hours ago
4
4
David’s joke has some truth in it. Putting your bike upside down on wet ground can damage your saddle or bar tape/grips. Scratches, mould etc. I’ve even had ants eating my leather saddle.
– Michael
14 hours ago
David’s joke has some truth in it. Putting your bike upside down on wet ground can damage your saddle or bar tape/grips. Scratches, mould etc. I’ve even had ants eating my leather saddle.
– Michael
14 hours ago
1
1
@Michael How dare you be serious! Hydraulic disk brakes don't like being turned upside-down, too, right?
– David Richerby
13 hours ago
@Michael How dare you be serious! Hydraulic disk brakes don't like being turned upside-down, too, right?
– David Richerby
13 hours ago
i think this method is bad, wont the nuts on the bike rust?
– Lam Munn Juan
12 hours ago
i think this method is bad, wont the nuts on the bike rust?
– Lam Munn Juan
12 hours ago
1
1
I think with a decent pair of guys, the bike should be more stable the right way up plus my aerobars and navigation/phone mount on the stem would end up shoved into the mud. (@DavidRicherby etc.)
– Chris H
10 hours ago
I think with a decent pair of guys, the bike should be more stable the right way up plus my aerobars and navigation/phone mount on the stem would end up shoved into the mud. (@DavidRicherby etc.)
– Chris H
10 hours ago
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I honestly doubt it’s a good idea. If you plan to use a tarp (with all its disadvantages) the bike could serve as a last-resort anchor point/pole if you can’t find anything else. But I wouldn’t plan on using it regularly this way. Reliable 1-man, double walled tents with less than 1.5kg are readily available.
– Michael
14 hours ago
@Michael but (i) those tents are expensive (apart from a few junk ones) and (ii) I've already got an old 1 man 1.9kg tent, which I have used for bike camping and it's great. But it's bulky & inflexible to pack - there's no way I'd avoid panniers with it taking all the space behind the saddle. (iii) pitching a full tent at the side of the road is rather obviously a proper overnight stop which isn't allowed. A quick shelter (maybe using the bike, maybe not) is less obtrusive. Just (e.g.) wrapping the tarp round a sleeping bag would do on a clear night. I'd like a campsite every 2 nights min.
– Chris H
14 hours ago
BTW whatever I go for (assuming it's not just taking my existing tent), I'll be able to try at home overnight, and of course I'll take pictures
– Chris H
11 hours ago
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I've used an old GoLite Cave tarp shelter for a lot of bike camping. You just find a stick to use for an upright, or two sticks if there's not a tree for one end. On a bike you presumably even have a few miles to find yourself a good stick if you're worried about trying to camp where there are none to be found.
– Nathan Knutson
5 hours ago