Who is targeted when Scrying's target is ambiguous?
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The 5th level spell Scrying allows you to attempt to magically spy on a creature. The caster doesn't even need to have met the creature to attempt this.
What happens when the target the caster has in mind could be multiple creatures?
As an example, a PC attempts to Scry a vigilante they have heard tales of. Unknown to them, this vigilante is actually 3 different people alternating shifts as the vigilante. Who does the spell end up targeting? Any of the people are a valid target for the spell, but which one attempts the saving throw to resist?
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The 5th level spell Scrying allows you to attempt to magically spy on a creature. The caster doesn't even need to have met the creature to attempt this.
What happens when the target the caster has in mind could be multiple creatures?
As an example, a PC attempts to Scry a vigilante they have heard tales of. Unknown to them, this vigilante is actually 3 different people alternating shifts as the vigilante. Who does the spell end up targeting? Any of the people are a valid target for the spell, but which one attempts the saving throw to resist?
dnd-5e spells targeting divination
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The 5th level spell Scrying allows you to attempt to magically spy on a creature. The caster doesn't even need to have met the creature to attempt this.
What happens when the target the caster has in mind could be multiple creatures?
As an example, a PC attempts to Scry a vigilante they have heard tales of. Unknown to them, this vigilante is actually 3 different people alternating shifts as the vigilante. Who does the spell end up targeting? Any of the people are a valid target for the spell, but which one attempts the saving throw to resist?
dnd-5e spells targeting divination
edited Jan 24 at 19:43
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asked Jan 24 at 15:52
VigilVigil
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The 5th level spell Scrying allows you to attempt to magically spy on a creature. The caster doesn't even need to have met the creature to attempt this.
What happens when the target the caster has in mind could be multiple creatures?
As an example, a PC attempts to Scry a vigilante they have heard tales of. Unknown to them, this vigilante is actually 3 different people alternating shifts as the vigilante. Who does the spell end up targeting? Any of the people are a valid target for the spell, but which one attempts the saving throw to resist?
dnd-5e spells targeting divination
dnd-5e spells targeting divination
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VigilVigil
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This could potentially go both ways.
The description for Scrying includes (emphasis mine):
You can see and hear a particular creature you choose...
As a DM, I would interpret this as particular = specific, so in this case your NPC/persona wouldn't be a valid target. This could lead to some mystery for the PC, as they try to figure out why they can't scry this "individual."
Alternatively, you said the people in question rotate duty as this persona, so you could have the spell choose whomever is on duty as that particular person for that day.
Another option is to roll a die for whom the spell picks. There are 3 people, so roll a D6 and see who you get. This could get especially interesting if the spell picks someone NOT on duty as this persona, when the PCs know the vigilante is busy somewhere else.
Yet another option is as PJRZ mentioned below, where the PC has to describe how they know of this vigilante, and whichever person did what the PC describes is the target of the spell.
answered Jan 24 at 16:21
G. MoylanG. Moylan
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I like this because there is no 'RAW' answer to this that I can find, and it spells out the GM's interpretations nicely.
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– MarkTO
Jan 24 at 17:00
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The scrying spell allows targeting a creature "you have heard of", so another option is to ask the player to describe how they heard of them. The first thing they say ("that vigilante who beat up the corrupt mayor last night")...that's the guy they get. If they cast scrying again using a different description, they could end up with a different person (a clue that the vigilante is not one person!)
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– PJRZ
Jan 24 at 17:21
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I agree with @MarkTO on the reasons this is a good answer - I think the first option is arguably indeed the RAW meaning, but the other options are sensible alternatives in the event it's not. Personally I think I will use that first option of requiring sufficient identifying specification before allowing the spell to work. I don't want to make Scrying a "work out whether this thing is more than one person" spell, so I think I will simply allow an insufficiently specific spell to fail as if the creature was warded or had made a save, without cluing the PCs in to any special circumstance.
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– Vigil
Jan 25 at 13:19
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Invalid Target (group instead of individual)
The DM could rule that the vigilante is actually a group of people and is not a valid target. In this case caster is unwittingly trying to targeting a group of individuals. A group is not a valid target for scrying. In this case, the guidance in Xanathar's is that nothing happens to the target and the spell slot is expended. From the caster's point of view, it appears as though the target saved.
Valid Target (shared single identity)
If the DM has reason to rule that the vigilante is a valid target, e.g. because it is a single identity, then there are a few options they might go with.
The current user of the identity
If one of the persons behind the mask is currently using that identity as their own, then scrying should target them. They are currently the vigilante.
Particular Tales
If the caster is basing their target from a particular tale or set of tales, the target would be the person behind the mask in those stories.
Equal Number of Tales
If the caster is basing their target from tales that are equally distributed between the persons behind the mask, randomly select from one.
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Who is targeted?
The spell has a target of "Self" so you are targeted.
Who is seen and heard?
You can see and hear a particular creature you choose ...
Particular means "of, relating to, or being a single person or thing". In order to do this you must have enough information to unambiguously identify that "single person or thing"; until you can do that then the spell doesn't allow you to see and hear them.
As a DM you can handle this by asking follow up questions about precisely who they are thinking of - "There magic is having trouble locking on to a particular individual from your vague description - can you be more specific?" "The one who did [X]." Bingo!
Of course, if [X] never happened (stories are not always factual) you might have to keep drilling down.
answered Jan 25 at 2:21
Dale MDale M
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I will quibble that a spell's range (in this case, Self) is not always the same as a spell's target(s). See rpg.stackexchange.com/a/72006/42959 and rpg.stackexchange.com/a/81025/42959. I think this is otherwise a good answer.
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– Vigil
Jan 25 at 11:32
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The spell explicitly mentions "The target must make a Wisdom saving throw" and goes on to refer to the "target" multiple times. The caster is not the target of the spell, the "particular creature" is the target.
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– G. Moylan
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This could potentially go both ways.
The description for Scrying includes (emphasis mine):
You can see and hear a particular creature you choose...
As a DM, I would interpret this as particular = specific, so in this case your NPC/persona wouldn't be a valid target. This could lead to some mystery for the PC, as they try to figure out why they can't scry this "individual."
Alternatively, you said the people in question rotate duty as this persona, so you could have the spell choose whomever is on duty as that particular person for that day.
Another option is to roll a die for whom the spell picks. There are 3 people, so roll a D6 and see who you get. This could get especially interesting if the spell picks someone NOT on duty as this persona, when the PCs know the vigilante is busy somewhere else.
Yet another option is as PJRZ mentioned below, where the PC has to describe how they know of this vigilante, and whichever person did what the PC describes is the target of the spell.
answered Jan 24 at 16:21
G. MoylanG. Moylan
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I like this because there is no 'RAW' answer to this that I can find, and it spells out the GM's interpretations nicely.
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– MarkTO
Jan 24 at 17:00
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The scrying spell allows targeting a creature "you have heard of", so another option is to ask the player to describe how they heard of them. The first thing they say ("that vigilante who beat up the corrupt mayor last night")...that's the guy they get. If they cast scrying again using a different description, they could end up with a different person (a clue that the vigilante is not one person!)
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– PJRZ
Jan 24 at 17:21
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I agree with @MarkTO on the reasons this is a good answer - I think the first option is arguably indeed the RAW meaning, but the other options are sensible alternatives in the event it's not. Personally I think I will use that first option of requiring sufficient identifying specification before allowing the spell to work. I don't want to make Scrying a "work out whether this thing is more than one person" spell, so I think I will simply allow an insufficiently specific spell to fail as if the creature was warded or had made a save, without cluing the PCs in to any special circumstance.
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– Vigil
Jan 25 at 13:19
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This could potentially go both ways.
The description for Scrying includes (emphasis mine):
You can see and hear a particular creature you choose...
As a DM, I would interpret this as particular = specific, so in this case your NPC/persona wouldn't be a valid target. This could lead to some mystery for the PC, as they try to figure out why they can't scry this "individual."
Alternatively, you said the people in question rotate duty as this persona, so you could have the spell choose whomever is on duty as that particular person for that day.
Another option is to roll a die for whom the spell picks. There are 3 people, so roll a D6 and see who you get. This could get especially interesting if the spell picks someone NOT on duty as this persona, when the PCs know the vigilante is busy somewhere else.
Yet another option is as PJRZ mentioned below, where the PC has to describe how they know of this vigilante, and whichever person did what the PC describes is the target of the spell.
answered Jan 24 at 16:21
G. MoylanG. Moylan
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I like this because there is no 'RAW' answer to this that I can find, and it spells out the GM's interpretations nicely.
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– MarkTO
Jan 24 at 17:00
17
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The scrying spell allows targeting a creature "you have heard of", so another option is to ask the player to describe how they heard of them. The first thing they say ("that vigilante who beat up the corrupt mayor last night")...that's the guy they get. If they cast scrying again using a different description, they could end up with a different person (a clue that the vigilante is not one person!)
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– PJRZ
Jan 24 at 17:21
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I agree with @MarkTO on the reasons this is a good answer - I think the first option is arguably indeed the RAW meaning, but the other options are sensible alternatives in the event it's not. Personally I think I will use that first option of requiring sufficient identifying specification before allowing the spell to work. I don't want to make Scrying a "work out whether this thing is more than one person" spell, so I think I will simply allow an insufficiently specific spell to fail as if the creature was warded or had made a save, without cluing the PCs in to any special circumstance.
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– Vigil
Jan 25 at 13:19
add a comment |
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This could potentially go both ways.
The description for Scrying includes (emphasis mine):
You can see and hear a particular creature you choose...
As a DM, I would interpret this as particular = specific, so in this case your NPC/persona wouldn't be a valid target. This could lead to some mystery for the PC, as they try to figure out why they can't scry this "individual."
Alternatively, you said the people in question rotate duty as this persona, so you could have the spell choose whomever is on duty as that particular person for that day.
Another option is to roll a die for whom the spell picks. There are 3 people, so roll a D6 and see who you get. This could get especially interesting if the spell picks someone NOT on duty as this persona, when the PCs know the vigilante is busy somewhere else.
Yet another option is as PJRZ mentioned below, where the PC has to describe how they know of this vigilante, and whichever person did what the PC describes is the target of the spell.
answered Jan 24 at 16:21
G. MoylanG. Moylan
1,203522
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This could potentially go both ways.
The description for Scrying includes (emphasis mine):
You can see and hear a particular creature you choose...
As a DM, I would interpret this as particular = specific, so in this case your NPC/persona wouldn't be a valid target. This could lead to some mystery for the PC, as they try to figure out why they can't scry this "individual."
Alternatively, you said the people in question rotate duty as this persona, so you could have the spell choose whomever is on duty as that particular person for that day.
Another option is to roll a die for whom the spell picks. There are 3 people, so roll a D6 and see who you get. This could get especially interesting if the spell picks someone NOT on duty as this persona, when the PCs know the vigilante is busy somewhere else.
Yet another option is as PJRZ mentioned below, where the PC has to describe how they know of this vigilante, and whichever person did what the PC describes is the target of the spell.
answered Jan 24 at 16:21
G. MoylanG. Moylan
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edited Jan 24 at 17:31
answered Jan 24 at 16:21
G. MoylanG. Moylan
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answered Jan 24 at 16:21
G. MoylanG. Moylan
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answered Jan 24 at 16:21
G. MoylanG. Moylan
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I like this because there is no 'RAW' answer to this that I can find, and it spells out the GM's interpretations nicely.
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– MarkTO
Jan 24 at 17:00
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The scrying spell allows targeting a creature "you have heard of", so another option is to ask the player to describe how they heard of them. The first thing they say ("that vigilante who beat up the corrupt mayor last night")...that's the guy they get. If they cast scrying again using a different description, they could end up with a different person (a clue that the vigilante is not one person!)
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– PJRZ
Jan 24 at 17:21
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I agree with @MarkTO on the reasons this is a good answer - I think the first option is arguably indeed the RAW meaning, but the other options are sensible alternatives in the event it's not. Personally I think I will use that first option of requiring sufficient identifying specification before allowing the spell to work. I don't want to make Scrying a "work out whether this thing is more than one person" spell, so I think I will simply allow an insufficiently specific spell to fail as if the creature was warded or had made a save, without cluing the PCs in to any special circumstance.
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– Vigil
Jan 25 at 13:19
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I like this because there is no 'RAW' answer to this that I can find, and it spells out the GM's interpretations nicely.
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– MarkTO
Jan 24 at 17:00
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The scrying spell allows targeting a creature "you have heard of", so another option is to ask the player to describe how they heard of them. The first thing they say ("that vigilante who beat up the corrupt mayor last night")...that's the guy they get. If they cast scrying again using a different description, they could end up with a different person (a clue that the vigilante is not one person!)
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– PJRZ
Jan 24 at 17:21
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I agree with @MarkTO on the reasons this is a good answer - I think the first option is arguably indeed the RAW meaning, but the other options are sensible alternatives in the event it's not. Personally I think I will use that first option of requiring sufficient identifying specification before allowing the spell to work. I don't want to make Scrying a "work out whether this thing is more than one person" spell, so I think I will simply allow an insufficiently specific spell to fail as if the creature was warded or had made a save, without cluing the PCs in to any special circumstance.
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– Vigil
Jan 25 at 13:19
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4
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I like this because there is no 'RAW' answer to this that I can find, and it spells out the GM's interpretations nicely.
$endgroup$
– MarkTO
Jan 24 at 17:00
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I like this because there is no 'RAW' answer to this that I can find, and it spells out the GM's interpretations nicely.
$endgroup$
– MarkTO
Jan 24 at 17:00
17
17
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The scrying spell allows targeting a creature "you have heard of", so another option is to ask the player to describe how they heard of them. The first thing they say ("that vigilante who beat up the corrupt mayor last night")...that's the guy they get. If they cast scrying again using a different description, they could end up with a different person (a clue that the vigilante is not one person!)
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– PJRZ
Jan 24 at 17:21
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The scrying spell allows targeting a creature "you have heard of", so another option is to ask the player to describe how they heard of them. The first thing they say ("that vigilante who beat up the corrupt mayor last night")...that's the guy they get. If they cast scrying again using a different description, they could end up with a different person (a clue that the vigilante is not one person!)
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– PJRZ
Jan 24 at 17:21
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I agree with @MarkTO on the reasons this is a good answer - I think the first option is arguably indeed the RAW meaning, but the other options are sensible alternatives in the event it's not. Personally I think I will use that first option of requiring sufficient identifying specification before allowing the spell to work. I don't want to make Scrying a "work out whether this thing is more than one person" spell, so I think I will simply allow an insufficiently specific spell to fail as if the creature was warded or had made a save, without cluing the PCs in to any special circumstance.
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– Vigil
Jan 25 at 13:19
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I agree with @MarkTO on the reasons this is a good answer - I think the first option is arguably indeed the RAW meaning, but the other options are sensible alternatives in the event it's not. Personally I think I will use that first option of requiring sufficient identifying specification before allowing the spell to work. I don't want to make Scrying a "work out whether this thing is more than one person" spell, so I think I will simply allow an insufficiently specific spell to fail as if the creature was warded or had made a save, without cluing the PCs in to any special circumstance.
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– Vigil
Jan 25 at 13:19
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Invalid Target (group instead of individual)
The DM could rule that the vigilante is actually a group of people and is not a valid target. In this case caster is unwittingly trying to targeting a group of individuals. A group is not a valid target for scrying. In this case, the guidance in Xanathar's is that nothing happens to the target and the spell slot is expended. From the caster's point of view, it appears as though the target saved.
Valid Target (shared single identity)
If the DM has reason to rule that the vigilante is a valid target, e.g. because it is a single identity, then there are a few options they might go with.
The current user of the identity
If one of the persons behind the mask is currently using that identity as their own, then scrying should target them. They are currently the vigilante.
Particular Tales
If the caster is basing their target from a particular tale or set of tales, the target would be the person behind the mask in those stories.
Equal Number of Tales
If the caster is basing their target from tales that are equally distributed between the persons behind the mask, randomly select from one.
answered Jan 24 at 16:22
GrosscolGrosscol
9,4372466
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$begingroup$
Invalid Target (group instead of individual)
The DM could rule that the vigilante is actually a group of people and is not a valid target. In this case caster is unwittingly trying to targeting a group of individuals. A group is not a valid target for scrying. In this case, the guidance in Xanathar's is that nothing happens to the target and the spell slot is expended. From the caster's point of view, it appears as though the target saved.
Valid Target (shared single identity)
If the DM has reason to rule that the vigilante is a valid target, e.g. because it is a single identity, then there are a few options they might go with.
The current user of the identity
If one of the persons behind the mask is currently using that identity as their own, then scrying should target them. They are currently the vigilante.
Particular Tales
If the caster is basing their target from a particular tale or set of tales, the target would be the person behind the mask in those stories.
Equal Number of Tales
If the caster is basing their target from tales that are equally distributed between the persons behind the mask, randomly select from one.
answered Jan 24 at 16:22
GrosscolGrosscol
9,4372466
$endgroup$
add a comment |
$begingroup$
Invalid Target (group instead of individual)
The DM could rule that the vigilante is actually a group of people and is not a valid target. In this case caster is unwittingly trying to targeting a group of individuals. A group is not a valid target for scrying. In this case, the guidance in Xanathar's is that nothing happens to the target and the spell slot is expended. From the caster's point of view, it appears as though the target saved.
Valid Target (shared single identity)
If the DM has reason to rule that the vigilante is a valid target, e.g. because it is a single identity, then there are a few options they might go with.
The current user of the identity
If one of the persons behind the mask is currently using that identity as their own, then scrying should target them. They are currently the vigilante.
Particular Tales
If the caster is basing their target from a particular tale or set of tales, the target would be the person behind the mask in those stories.
Equal Number of Tales
If the caster is basing their target from tales that are equally distributed between the persons behind the mask, randomly select from one.
answered Jan 24 at 16:22
GrosscolGrosscol
9,4372466
$endgroup$
Invalid Target (group instead of individual)
The DM could rule that the vigilante is actually a group of people and is not a valid target. In this case caster is unwittingly trying to targeting a group of individuals. A group is not a valid target for scrying. In this case, the guidance in Xanathar's is that nothing happens to the target and the spell slot is expended. From the caster's point of view, it appears as though the target saved.
Valid Target (shared single identity)
If the DM has reason to rule that the vigilante is a valid target, e.g. because it is a single identity, then there are a few options they might go with.
The current user of the identity
If one of the persons behind the mask is currently using that identity as their own, then scrying should target them. They are currently the vigilante.
Particular Tales
If the caster is basing their target from a particular tale or set of tales, the target would be the person behind the mask in those stories.
Equal Number of Tales
If the caster is basing their target from tales that are equally distributed between the persons behind the mask, randomly select from one.
answered Jan 24 at 16:22
GrosscolGrosscol
9,4372466
answered Jan 24 at 16:22
GrosscolGrosscol
9,4372466
answered Jan 24 at 16:22
GrosscolGrosscol
9,4372466
answered Jan 24 at 16:22
GrosscolGrosscol
9,4372466
9,4372466
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Who is targeted?
The spell has a target of "Self" so you are targeted.
Who is seen and heard?
You can see and hear a particular creature you choose ...
Particular means "of, relating to, or being a single person or thing". In order to do this you must have enough information to unambiguously identify that "single person or thing"; until you can do that then the spell doesn't allow you to see and hear them.
As a DM you can handle this by asking follow up questions about precisely who they are thinking of - "There magic is having trouble locking on to a particular individual from your vague description - can you be more specific?" "The one who did [X]." Bingo!
Of course, if [X] never happened (stories are not always factual) you might have to keep drilling down.
answered Jan 25 at 2:21
Dale MDale M
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I will quibble that a spell's range (in this case, Self) is not always the same as a spell's target(s). See rpg.stackexchange.com/a/72006/42959 and rpg.stackexchange.com/a/81025/42959. I think this is otherwise a good answer.
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– Vigil
Jan 25 at 11:32
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The spell explicitly mentions "The target must make a Wisdom saving throw" and goes on to refer to the "target" multiple times. The caster is not the target of the spell, the "particular creature" is the target.
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– G. Moylan
Jan 25 at 14:15
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Who is targeted?
The spell has a target of "Self" so you are targeted.
Who is seen and heard?
You can see and hear a particular creature you choose ...
Particular means "of, relating to, or being a single person or thing". In order to do this you must have enough information to unambiguously identify that "single person or thing"; until you can do that then the spell doesn't allow you to see and hear them.
As a DM you can handle this by asking follow up questions about precisely who they are thinking of - "There magic is having trouble locking on to a particular individual from your vague description - can you be more specific?" "The one who did [X]." Bingo!
Of course, if [X] never happened (stories are not always factual) you might have to keep drilling down.
answered Jan 25 at 2:21
Dale MDale M
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I will quibble that a spell's range (in this case, Self) is not always the same as a spell's target(s). See rpg.stackexchange.com/a/72006/42959 and rpg.stackexchange.com/a/81025/42959. I think this is otherwise a good answer.
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– Vigil
Jan 25 at 11:32
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The spell explicitly mentions "The target must make a Wisdom saving throw" and goes on to refer to the "target" multiple times. The caster is not the target of the spell, the "particular creature" is the target.
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– G. Moylan
Jan 25 at 14:15
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Who is targeted?
The spell has a target of "Self" so you are targeted.
Who is seen and heard?
You can see and hear a particular creature you choose ...
Particular means "of, relating to, or being a single person or thing". In order to do this you must have enough information to unambiguously identify that "single person or thing"; until you can do that then the spell doesn't allow you to see and hear them.
As a DM you can handle this by asking follow up questions about precisely who they are thinking of - "There magic is having trouble locking on to a particular individual from your vague description - can you be more specific?" "The one who did [X]." Bingo!
Of course, if [X] never happened (stories are not always factual) you might have to keep drilling down.
answered Jan 25 at 2:21
Dale MDale M
105k21269464
$endgroup$
Who is targeted?
The spell has a target of "Self" so you are targeted.
Who is seen and heard?
You can see and hear a particular creature you choose ...
Particular means "of, relating to, or being a single person or thing". In order to do this you must have enough information to unambiguously identify that "single person or thing"; until you can do that then the spell doesn't allow you to see and hear them.
As a DM you can handle this by asking follow up questions about precisely who they are thinking of - "There magic is having trouble locking on to a particular individual from your vague description - can you be more specific?" "The one who did [X]." Bingo!
Of course, if [X] never happened (stories are not always factual) you might have to keep drilling down.
answered Jan 25 at 2:21
Dale MDale M
105k21269464
answered Jan 25 at 2:21
Dale MDale M
105k21269464
answered Jan 25 at 2:21
Dale MDale M
105k21269464
answered Jan 25 at 2:21
Dale MDale M
105k21269464
105k21269464
2
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I will quibble that a spell's range (in this case, Self) is not always the same as a spell's target(s). See rpg.stackexchange.com/a/72006/42959 and rpg.stackexchange.com/a/81025/42959. I think this is otherwise a good answer.
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– Vigil
Jan 25 at 11:32
3
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The spell explicitly mentions "The target must make a Wisdom saving throw" and goes on to refer to the "target" multiple times. The caster is not the target of the spell, the "particular creature" is the target.
$endgroup$
– G. Moylan
Jan 25 at 14:15
add a comment |
2
$begingroup$
I will quibble that a spell's range (in this case, Self) is not always the same as a spell's target(s). See rpg.stackexchange.com/a/72006/42959 and rpg.stackexchange.com/a/81025/42959. I think this is otherwise a good answer.
$endgroup$
– Vigil
Jan 25 at 11:32
3
$begingroup$
The spell explicitly mentions "The target must make a Wisdom saving throw" and goes on to refer to the "target" multiple times. The caster is not the target of the spell, the "particular creature" is the target.
$endgroup$
– G. Moylan
Jan 25 at 14:15
2
2
$begingroup$
I will quibble that a spell's range (in this case, Self) is not always the same as a spell's target(s). See rpg.stackexchange.com/a/72006/42959 and rpg.stackexchange.com/a/81025/42959. I think this is otherwise a good answer.
$endgroup$
– Vigil
Jan 25 at 11:32
$begingroup$
I will quibble that a spell's range (in this case, Self) is not always the same as a spell's target(s). See rpg.stackexchange.com/a/72006/42959 and rpg.stackexchange.com/a/81025/42959. I think this is otherwise a good answer.
$endgroup$
– Vigil
Jan 25 at 11:32
3
3
$begingroup$
The spell explicitly mentions "The target must make a Wisdom saving throw" and goes on to refer to the "target" multiple times. The caster is not the target of the spell, the "particular creature" is the target.
$endgroup$
– G. Moylan
Jan 25 at 14:15
$begingroup$
The spell explicitly mentions "The target must make a Wisdom saving throw" and goes on to refer to the "target" multiple times. The caster is not the target of the spell, the "particular creature" is the target.
$endgroup$
– G. Moylan
Jan 25 at 14:15
add a comment |
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