How to approach this sequence? (elementary number theory)
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Given is the following sequence: $a_1 = 1$ and $a_n$ equals the biggest prime divisor of $1+ a_1*dots*a_{n-1}$ .
It is then claimed: $11$ does not occur in this sequence.
How can one approach this problem? I first thought about trying a proof by contradiction.
Let's then be $a_m$ the first occurrence of $11$ in this sequence. Then there exist $a,b,c,d, e in mathbb{N_0}$ such that:
$2^a * 3^b * 5^c * 7^d * 11^e = 1+ a_1*dots*a_{m-1}$ .
From there however, it looks me like a dead end. It seems like I am missing a key observation. I would be happy, if anyone with more knowledge could offer an advice/suggestion how to begin here.
EDIT: Related: Euclid Mullin Sequence
sequences-and-series elementary-number-theory prime-numbers
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Given is the following sequence: $a_1 = 1$ and $a_n$ equals the biggest prime divisor of $1+ a_1*dots*a_{n-1}$ .
It is then claimed: $11$ does not occur in this sequence.
How can one approach this problem? I first thought about trying a proof by contradiction.
Let's then be $a_m$ the first occurrence of $11$ in this sequence. Then there exist $a,b,c,d, e in mathbb{N_0}$ such that:
$2^a * 3^b * 5^c * 7^d * 11^e = 1+ a_1*dots*a_{m-1}$ .
From there however, it looks me like a dead end. It seems like I am missing a key observation. I would be happy, if anyone with more knowledge could offer an advice/suggestion how to begin here.
EDIT: Related: Euclid Mullin Sequence
sequences-and-series elementary-number-theory prime-numbers
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I am not a number theory specialist, but this does not look “elementary” to me. There are some references in oeis.org/A000946, oeis.org/A216227, and Euclid–Mullin sequence. – Where did you encounter the problem?
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– Martin R
Nov 25 '18 at 21:43
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It's from a previous exam preparing for the IMO - so it should be solvable within maybe 1 hour and not require university level mathematics. I tried finding more values of the sequence with a python script, but the values become too big way for the program to handle.
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– Imago
Nov 25 '18 at 21:46
1
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Note: it's easy to see that no prime can appear twice in the sequence. As to $11$, and the other missing primes, the wiki article gives a reference for the claim
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– lulu
Nov 25 '18 at 21:46
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@lulu, if this is true, this says indeed a lot and probably just nails the problem. I will look into that. EDIT: Ok the wiki article spoilers quite a lot.
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– Imago
Nov 25 '18 at 21:50
2
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Cox and van der Poorten had a short paper in 1967 that solves this in a fairly elementary way. doi.org/10.1017/S1446788700006236
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– B. Goddard
Nov 25 '18 at 21:59
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Given is the following sequence: $a_1 = 1$ and $a_n$ equals the biggest prime divisor of $1+ a_1*dots*a_{n-1}$ .
It is then claimed: $11$ does not occur in this sequence.
How can one approach this problem? I first thought about trying a proof by contradiction.
Let's then be $a_m$ the first occurrence of $11$ in this sequence. Then there exist $a,b,c,d, e in mathbb{N_0}$ such that:
$2^a * 3^b * 5^c * 7^d * 11^e = 1+ a_1*dots*a_{m-1}$ .
From there however, it looks me like a dead end. It seems like I am missing a key observation. I would be happy, if anyone with more knowledge could offer an advice/suggestion how to begin here.
EDIT: Related: Euclid Mullin Sequence
sequences-and-series elementary-number-theory prime-numbers
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Given is the following sequence: $a_1 = 1$ and $a_n$ equals the biggest prime divisor of $1+ a_1*dots*a_{n-1}$ .
It is then claimed: $11$ does not occur in this sequence.
How can one approach this problem? I first thought about trying a proof by contradiction.
Let's then be $a_m$ the first occurrence of $11$ in this sequence. Then there exist $a,b,c,d, e in mathbb{N_0}$ such that:
$2^a * 3^b * 5^c * 7^d * 11^e = 1+ a_1*dots*a_{m-1}$ .
From there however, it looks me like a dead end. It seems like I am missing a key observation. I would be happy, if anyone with more knowledge could offer an advice/suggestion how to begin here.
EDIT: Related: Euclid Mullin Sequence
sequences-and-series elementary-number-theory prime-numbers
sequences-and-series elementary-number-theory prime-numbers
edited Nov 28 '18 at 14:08
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I am not a number theory specialist, but this does not look “elementary” to me. There are some references in oeis.org/A000946, oeis.org/A216227, and Euclid–Mullin sequence. – Where did you encounter the problem?
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– Martin R
Nov 25 '18 at 21:43
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It's from a previous exam preparing for the IMO - so it should be solvable within maybe 1 hour and not require university level mathematics. I tried finding more values of the sequence with a python script, but the values become too big way for the program to handle.
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– Imago
Nov 25 '18 at 21:46
1
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Note: it's easy to see that no prime can appear twice in the sequence. As to $11$, and the other missing primes, the wiki article gives a reference for the claim
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– lulu
Nov 25 '18 at 21:46
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@lulu, if this is true, this says indeed a lot and probably just nails the problem. I will look into that. EDIT: Ok the wiki article spoilers quite a lot.
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– Imago
Nov 25 '18 at 21:50
2
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Cox and van der Poorten had a short paper in 1967 that solves this in a fairly elementary way. doi.org/10.1017/S1446788700006236
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– B. Goddard
Nov 25 '18 at 21:59
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show 1 more comment
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I am not a number theory specialist, but this does not look “elementary” to me. There are some references in oeis.org/A000946, oeis.org/A216227, and Euclid–Mullin sequence. – Where did you encounter the problem?
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– Martin R
Nov 25 '18 at 21:43
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It's from a previous exam preparing for the IMO - so it should be solvable within maybe 1 hour and not require university level mathematics. I tried finding more values of the sequence with a python script, but the values become too big way for the program to handle.
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– Imago
Nov 25 '18 at 21:46
1
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Note: it's easy to see that no prime can appear twice in the sequence. As to $11$, and the other missing primes, the wiki article gives a reference for the claim
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– lulu
Nov 25 '18 at 21:46
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@lulu, if this is true, this says indeed a lot and probably just nails the problem. I will look into that. EDIT: Ok the wiki article spoilers quite a lot.
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– Imago
Nov 25 '18 at 21:50
2
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Cox and van der Poorten had a short paper in 1967 that solves this in a fairly elementary way. doi.org/10.1017/S1446788700006236
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– B. Goddard
Nov 25 '18 at 21:59
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I am not a number theory specialist, but this does not look “elementary” to me. There are some references in oeis.org/A000946, oeis.org/A216227, and Euclid–Mullin sequence. – Where did you encounter the problem?
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– Martin R
Nov 25 '18 at 21:43
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I am not a number theory specialist, but this does not look “elementary” to me. There are some references in oeis.org/A000946, oeis.org/A216227, and Euclid–Mullin sequence. – Where did you encounter the problem?
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– Martin R
Nov 25 '18 at 21:43
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It's from a previous exam preparing for the IMO - so it should be solvable within maybe 1 hour and not require university level mathematics. I tried finding more values of the sequence with a python script, but the values become too big way for the program to handle.
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– Imago
Nov 25 '18 at 21:46
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It's from a previous exam preparing for the IMO - so it should be solvable within maybe 1 hour and not require university level mathematics. I tried finding more values of the sequence with a python script, but the values become too big way for the program to handle.
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– Imago
Nov 25 '18 at 21:46
1
1
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Note: it's easy to see that no prime can appear twice in the sequence. As to $11$, and the other missing primes, the wiki article gives a reference for the claim
$endgroup$
– lulu
Nov 25 '18 at 21:46
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Note: it's easy to see that no prime can appear twice in the sequence. As to $11$, and the other missing primes, the wiki article gives a reference for the claim
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– lulu
Nov 25 '18 at 21:46
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@lulu, if this is true, this says indeed a lot and probably just nails the problem. I will look into that. EDIT: Ok the wiki article spoilers quite a lot.
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– Imago
Nov 25 '18 at 21:50
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@lulu, if this is true, this says indeed a lot and probably just nails the problem. I will look into that. EDIT: Ok the wiki article spoilers quite a lot.
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– Imago
Nov 25 '18 at 21:50
2
2
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Cox and van der Poorten had a short paper in 1967 that solves this in a fairly elementary way. doi.org/10.1017/S1446788700006236
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– B. Goddard
Nov 25 '18 at 21:59
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Cox and van der Poorten had a short paper in 1967 that solves this in a fairly elementary way. doi.org/10.1017/S1446788700006236
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– B. Goddard
Nov 25 '18 at 21:59
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Note: Personally, I find my solution too short and "too easy" to be a solution to this problem. Therefore, feel free to make a note or comment, when there is an error.
I would "solve" this specific problem stated above like this:
The first elements of the sequence can be computed fairly quickly:
$a_1 = 1, a_2 = 2, a_3 = 7, a_4 = 43, a_5 = 139$
Now following lulu's advice, we show that a prime number occurs at most twice in this sequence.
Given that $a_n = 1+a_1 * dots * a_{n-1}$ it follows that $a_n equiv 1pmod {a_i} $ for $1 le i le n-1$, thus there is no $a_i$ with $a_i| a_n$ $Rightarrow a_i neq a_n
forall i$ with: $ 1le i le n-1$
Now: Let $a_n = 11$ and $b_n = 1+ a_1* dots * a_{n-1}$ then by definition $11|b_n$ and if $k|b_n$ and $k neq 11$, then $k = 1 lor k= 5$, in particular: $2,3,7 nmid b_n$
$Rightarrow b_n le 55$, but: $frac{b_n}{55} ge frac{a_1 * dots * a_5 +1}{55} gt 1 Rightarrow$ $b_n$ has at least one prime factor greater than $11$, thus: $11$ can't occur in this sequence.
EDIT: Proving that does not occur in the sequence can be doen quickly:
If 5 occurred, then we had for some $b_n = 2^a * 3^b * 5^c = 1+2* dots * a_{n-1} $.
$a,b$ must be equal to $0$. If they weren't, then
$2^a * 3^b * 5^c equiv 0 pmod {2,3} $, but $b_n equiv 1 pmod {2,3} $
Thus $b_n$ would be of the form: $b_n = 5^c$ for some $c$ however:
$5^c - 1 equiv 0 pmod 4 forall c in mathbb{N}$ and $a_1* dots * a_{n-1} equiv 2 pmod 4 $
Thus $5$ cannot occur in the sequence.
However there is still some way to go to prove $11$ does not occur and I actually don't see how one would do that. The same argument/trick, used for $5$, doesn't seem work.
EDIT2 : $5^a * 11 ^b equiv 3 pmod 4$ as $2 | a_1 * dots* a_{n-1} $
$Rightarrow 1^a * 3^b equiv 3 pmod 4 Rightarrow b$ is odd.
$3 | 5^a * 11^b -1 Rightarrow (-1)^a *(-11)^b equiv (-1)^{a+b} -1 equiv 0 pmod 3 Rightarrow a+b $ even$ Rightarrow a$ is also odd.
Then: $7 | 5^a * 11^b -1 Rightarrow (-2)^a * 4^b equiv (-2)^{a+2*b} equiv 1 pmod 7 $
This however is only the case: if $a+2*b$ is a multiple of $6$ (Little Fermat), which can't be the case. Hence: $11$ cannot occur in the series and we are done. Quite a journey over the past few days, but I believe the proof is now complete.
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$b_n$ might be $5^y11^z$ for integers $y,z$
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– Empy2
Nov 26 '18 at 14:27
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Valid point. I need more time to think about it.
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– Imago
Nov 26 '18 at 14:40
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Note: Personally, I find my solution too short and "too easy" to be a solution to this problem. Therefore, feel free to make a note or comment, when there is an error.
I would "solve" this specific problem stated above like this:
The first elements of the sequence can be computed fairly quickly:
$a_1 = 1, a_2 = 2, a_3 = 7, a_4 = 43, a_5 = 139$
Now following lulu's advice, we show that a prime number occurs at most twice in this sequence.
Given that $a_n = 1+a_1 * dots * a_{n-1}$ it follows that $a_n equiv 1pmod {a_i} $ for $1 le i le n-1$, thus there is no $a_i$ with $a_i| a_n$ $Rightarrow a_i neq a_n
forall i$ with: $ 1le i le n-1$
Now: Let $a_n = 11$ and $b_n = 1+ a_1* dots * a_{n-1}$ then by definition $11|b_n$ and if $k|b_n$ and $k neq 11$, then $k = 1 lor k= 5$, in particular: $2,3,7 nmid b_n$
$Rightarrow b_n le 55$, but: $frac{b_n}{55} ge frac{a_1 * dots * a_5 +1}{55} gt 1 Rightarrow$ $b_n$ has at least one prime factor greater than $11$, thus: $11$ can't occur in this sequence.
EDIT: Proving that does not occur in the sequence can be doen quickly:
If 5 occurred, then we had for some $b_n = 2^a * 3^b * 5^c = 1+2* dots * a_{n-1} $.
$a,b$ must be equal to $0$. If they weren't, then
$2^a * 3^b * 5^c equiv 0 pmod {2,3} $, but $b_n equiv 1 pmod {2,3} $
Thus $b_n$ would be of the form: $b_n = 5^c$ for some $c$ however:
$5^c - 1 equiv 0 pmod 4 forall c in mathbb{N}$ and $a_1* dots * a_{n-1} equiv 2 pmod 4 $
Thus $5$ cannot occur in the sequence.
However there is still some way to go to prove $11$ does not occur and I actually don't see how one would do that. The same argument/trick, used for $5$, doesn't seem work.
EDIT2 : $5^a * 11 ^b equiv 3 pmod 4$ as $2 | a_1 * dots* a_{n-1} $
$Rightarrow 1^a * 3^b equiv 3 pmod 4 Rightarrow b$ is odd.
$3 | 5^a * 11^b -1 Rightarrow (-1)^a *(-11)^b equiv (-1)^{a+b} -1 equiv 0 pmod 3 Rightarrow a+b $ even$ Rightarrow a$ is also odd.
Then: $7 | 5^a * 11^b -1 Rightarrow (-2)^a * 4^b equiv (-2)^{a+2*b} equiv 1 pmod 7 $
This however is only the case: if $a+2*b$ is a multiple of $6$ (Little Fermat), which can't be the case. Hence: $11$ cannot occur in the series and we are done. Quite a journey over the past few days, but I believe the proof is now complete.
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$b_n$ might be $5^y11^z$ for integers $y,z$
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– Empy2
Nov 26 '18 at 14:27
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Valid point. I need more time to think about it.
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– Imago
Nov 26 '18 at 14:40
add a comment |
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Note: Personally, I find my solution too short and "too easy" to be a solution to this problem. Therefore, feel free to make a note or comment, when there is an error.
I would "solve" this specific problem stated above like this:
The first elements of the sequence can be computed fairly quickly:
$a_1 = 1, a_2 = 2, a_3 = 7, a_4 = 43, a_5 = 139$
Now following lulu's advice, we show that a prime number occurs at most twice in this sequence.
Given that $a_n = 1+a_1 * dots * a_{n-1}$ it follows that $a_n equiv 1pmod {a_i} $ for $1 le i le n-1$, thus there is no $a_i$ with $a_i| a_n$ $Rightarrow a_i neq a_n
forall i$ with: $ 1le i le n-1$
Now: Let $a_n = 11$ and $b_n = 1+ a_1* dots * a_{n-1}$ then by definition $11|b_n$ and if $k|b_n$ and $k neq 11$, then $k = 1 lor k= 5$, in particular: $2,3,7 nmid b_n$
$Rightarrow b_n le 55$, but: $frac{b_n}{55} ge frac{a_1 * dots * a_5 +1}{55} gt 1 Rightarrow$ $b_n$ has at least one prime factor greater than $11$, thus: $11$ can't occur in this sequence.
EDIT: Proving that does not occur in the sequence can be doen quickly:
If 5 occurred, then we had for some $b_n = 2^a * 3^b * 5^c = 1+2* dots * a_{n-1} $.
$a,b$ must be equal to $0$. If they weren't, then
$2^a * 3^b * 5^c equiv 0 pmod {2,3} $, but $b_n equiv 1 pmod {2,3} $
Thus $b_n$ would be of the form: $b_n = 5^c$ for some $c$ however:
$5^c - 1 equiv 0 pmod 4 forall c in mathbb{N}$ and $a_1* dots * a_{n-1} equiv 2 pmod 4 $
Thus $5$ cannot occur in the sequence.
However there is still some way to go to prove $11$ does not occur and I actually don't see how one would do that. The same argument/trick, used for $5$, doesn't seem work.
EDIT2 : $5^a * 11 ^b equiv 3 pmod 4$ as $2 | a_1 * dots* a_{n-1} $
$Rightarrow 1^a * 3^b equiv 3 pmod 4 Rightarrow b$ is odd.
$3 | 5^a * 11^b -1 Rightarrow (-1)^a *(-11)^b equiv (-1)^{a+b} -1 equiv 0 pmod 3 Rightarrow a+b $ even$ Rightarrow a$ is also odd.
Then: $7 | 5^a * 11^b -1 Rightarrow (-2)^a * 4^b equiv (-2)^{a+2*b} equiv 1 pmod 7 $
This however is only the case: if $a+2*b$ is a multiple of $6$ (Little Fermat), which can't be the case. Hence: $11$ cannot occur in the series and we are done. Quite a journey over the past few days, but I believe the proof is now complete.
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$b_n$ might be $5^y11^z$ for integers $y,z$
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– Empy2
Nov 26 '18 at 14:27
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Valid point. I need more time to think about it.
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– Imago
Nov 26 '18 at 14:40
add a comment |
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Note: Personally, I find my solution too short and "too easy" to be a solution to this problem. Therefore, feel free to make a note or comment, when there is an error.
I would "solve" this specific problem stated above like this:
The first elements of the sequence can be computed fairly quickly:
$a_1 = 1, a_2 = 2, a_3 = 7, a_4 = 43, a_5 = 139$
Now following lulu's advice, we show that a prime number occurs at most twice in this sequence.
Given that $a_n = 1+a_1 * dots * a_{n-1}$ it follows that $a_n equiv 1pmod {a_i} $ for $1 le i le n-1$, thus there is no $a_i$ with $a_i| a_n$ $Rightarrow a_i neq a_n
forall i$ with: $ 1le i le n-1$
Now: Let $a_n = 11$ and $b_n = 1+ a_1* dots * a_{n-1}$ then by definition $11|b_n$ and if $k|b_n$ and $k neq 11$, then $k = 1 lor k= 5$, in particular: $2,3,7 nmid b_n$
$Rightarrow b_n le 55$, but: $frac{b_n}{55} ge frac{a_1 * dots * a_5 +1}{55} gt 1 Rightarrow$ $b_n$ has at least one prime factor greater than $11$, thus: $11$ can't occur in this sequence.
EDIT: Proving that does not occur in the sequence can be doen quickly:
If 5 occurred, then we had for some $b_n = 2^a * 3^b * 5^c = 1+2* dots * a_{n-1} $.
$a,b$ must be equal to $0$. If they weren't, then
$2^a * 3^b * 5^c equiv 0 pmod {2,3} $, but $b_n equiv 1 pmod {2,3} $
Thus $b_n$ would be of the form: $b_n = 5^c$ for some $c$ however:
$5^c - 1 equiv 0 pmod 4 forall c in mathbb{N}$ and $a_1* dots * a_{n-1} equiv 2 pmod 4 $
Thus $5$ cannot occur in the sequence.
However there is still some way to go to prove $11$ does not occur and I actually don't see how one would do that. The same argument/trick, used for $5$, doesn't seem work.
EDIT2 : $5^a * 11 ^b equiv 3 pmod 4$ as $2 | a_1 * dots* a_{n-1} $
$Rightarrow 1^a * 3^b equiv 3 pmod 4 Rightarrow b$ is odd.
$3 | 5^a * 11^b -1 Rightarrow (-1)^a *(-11)^b equiv (-1)^{a+b} -1 equiv 0 pmod 3 Rightarrow a+b $ even$ Rightarrow a$ is also odd.
Then: $7 | 5^a * 11^b -1 Rightarrow (-2)^a * 4^b equiv (-2)^{a+2*b} equiv 1 pmod 7 $
This however is only the case: if $a+2*b$ is a multiple of $6$ (Little Fermat), which can't be the case. Hence: $11$ cannot occur in the series and we are done. Quite a journey over the past few days, but I believe the proof is now complete.
$endgroup$
Note: Personally, I find my solution too short and "too easy" to be a solution to this problem. Therefore, feel free to make a note or comment, when there is an error.
I would "solve" this specific problem stated above like this:
The first elements of the sequence can be computed fairly quickly:
$a_1 = 1, a_2 = 2, a_3 = 7, a_4 = 43, a_5 = 139$
Now following lulu's advice, we show that a prime number occurs at most twice in this sequence.
Given that $a_n = 1+a_1 * dots * a_{n-1}$ it follows that $a_n equiv 1pmod {a_i} $ for $1 le i le n-1$, thus there is no $a_i$ with $a_i| a_n$ $Rightarrow a_i neq a_n
forall i$ with: $ 1le i le n-1$
Now: Let $a_n = 11$ and $b_n = 1+ a_1* dots * a_{n-1}$ then by definition $11|b_n$ and if $k|b_n$ and $k neq 11$, then $k = 1 lor k= 5$, in particular: $2,3,7 nmid b_n$
$Rightarrow b_n le 55$, but: $frac{b_n}{55} ge frac{a_1 * dots * a_5 +1}{55} gt 1 Rightarrow$ $b_n$ has at least one prime factor greater than $11$, thus: $11$ can't occur in this sequence.
EDIT: Proving that does not occur in the sequence can be doen quickly:
If 5 occurred, then we had for some $b_n = 2^a * 3^b * 5^c = 1+2* dots * a_{n-1} $.
$a,b$ must be equal to $0$. If they weren't, then
$2^a * 3^b * 5^c equiv 0 pmod {2,3} $, but $b_n equiv 1 pmod {2,3} $
Thus $b_n$ would be of the form: $b_n = 5^c$ for some $c$ however:
$5^c - 1 equiv 0 pmod 4 forall c in mathbb{N}$ and $a_1* dots * a_{n-1} equiv 2 pmod 4 $
Thus $5$ cannot occur in the sequence.
However there is still some way to go to prove $11$ does not occur and I actually don't see how one would do that. The same argument/trick, used for $5$, doesn't seem work.
EDIT2 : $5^a * 11 ^b equiv 3 pmod 4$ as $2 | a_1 * dots* a_{n-1} $
$Rightarrow 1^a * 3^b equiv 3 pmod 4 Rightarrow b$ is odd.
$3 | 5^a * 11^b -1 Rightarrow (-1)^a *(-11)^b equiv (-1)^{a+b} -1 equiv 0 pmod 3 Rightarrow a+b $ even$ Rightarrow a$ is also odd.
Then: $7 | 5^a * 11^b -1 Rightarrow (-2)^a * 4^b equiv (-2)^{a+2*b} equiv 1 pmod 7 $
This however is only the case: if $a+2*b$ is a multiple of $6$ (Little Fermat), which can't be the case. Hence: $11$ cannot occur in the series and we are done. Quite a journey over the past few days, but I believe the proof is now complete.
edited Dec 1 '18 at 19:32
answered Nov 26 '18 at 14:10
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$b_n$ might be $5^y11^z$ for integers $y,z$
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– Empy2
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Valid point. I need more time to think about it.
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$b_n$ might be $5^y11^z$ for integers $y,z$
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Valid point. I need more time to think about it.
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$b_n$ might be $5^y11^z$ for integers $y,z$
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– Empy2
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$b_n$ might be $5^y11^z$ for integers $y,z$
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Valid point. I need more time to think about it.
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Valid point. I need more time to think about it.
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I am not a number theory specialist, but this does not look “elementary” to me. There are some references in oeis.org/A000946, oeis.org/A216227, and Euclid–Mullin sequence. – Where did you encounter the problem?
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It's from a previous exam preparing for the IMO - so it should be solvable within maybe 1 hour and not require university level mathematics. I tried finding more values of the sequence with a python script, but the values become too big way for the program to handle.
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Note: it's easy to see that no prime can appear twice in the sequence. As to $11$, and the other missing primes, the wiki article gives a reference for the claim
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@lulu, if this is true, this says indeed a lot and probably just nails the problem. I will look into that. EDIT: Ok the wiki article spoilers quite a lot.
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Cox and van der Poorten had a short paper in 1967 that solves this in a fairly elementary way. doi.org/10.1017/S1446788700006236
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– B. Goddard
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