Biblatex problem with full stop/question mark/ellipsis at the end of title influencing later bib macros











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I have a problem with biblatex-dw when there are titles ending with a full stop, ellipsis symbol or question mark. They are interpreted as end of a sentence and influence later bib macros.



In the MWE the textelp{} (which is required here) of the entry ABC has the effect that the




Trans. by




is written with an uppercase 'T' instead of the desired behaviour of entry ABC2 with output




, trans. b




So I'm looking for a way to somehow hide the full stop/question mark/ellipses from the bib macro.



MWE:



documentclass{article}
usepackage[backend=biber,style=footnote-dw]{biblatex}
usepackage{csquotes}

begin{filecontents*}{MWE.bib}
@BOOK{ABC,
author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.},
translator = {Smith, John},
title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics textelp{}},
year = {1979},
publisher = {Pitman},
}

@BOOK{ABC2,
author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.},
translator = {Smith, John},
title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics},
year = {1979},
publisher = {Pitman},
}
end{filecontents*}


bibliography{MWE.bib}

begin{document}
Not the desired outputautocite{ABC}.
Desired outputautocite{ABC2}.
end{document}









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    I have a problem with biblatex-dw when there are titles ending with a full stop, ellipsis symbol or question mark. They are interpreted as end of a sentence and influence later bib macros.



    In the MWE the textelp{} (which is required here) of the entry ABC has the effect that the




    Trans. by




    is written with an uppercase 'T' instead of the desired behaviour of entry ABC2 with output




    , trans. b




    So I'm looking for a way to somehow hide the full stop/question mark/ellipses from the bib macro.



    MWE:



    documentclass{article}
    usepackage[backend=biber,style=footnote-dw]{biblatex}
    usepackage{csquotes}

    begin{filecontents*}{MWE.bib}
    @BOOK{ABC,
    author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.},
    translator = {Smith, John},
    title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics textelp{}},
    year = {1979},
    publisher = {Pitman},
    }

    @BOOK{ABC2,
    author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.},
    translator = {Smith, John},
    title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics},
    year = {1979},
    publisher = {Pitman},
    }
    end{filecontents*}


    bibliography{MWE.bib}

    begin{document}
    Not the desired outputautocite{ABC}.
    Desired outputautocite{ABC2}.
    end{document}









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      I have a problem with biblatex-dw when there are titles ending with a full stop, ellipsis symbol or question mark. They are interpreted as end of a sentence and influence later bib macros.



      In the MWE the textelp{} (which is required here) of the entry ABC has the effect that the




      Trans. by




      is written with an uppercase 'T' instead of the desired behaviour of entry ABC2 with output




      , trans. b




      So I'm looking for a way to somehow hide the full stop/question mark/ellipses from the bib macro.



      MWE:



      documentclass{article}
      usepackage[backend=biber,style=footnote-dw]{biblatex}
      usepackage{csquotes}

      begin{filecontents*}{MWE.bib}
      @BOOK{ABC,
      author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.},
      translator = {Smith, John},
      title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics textelp{}},
      year = {1979},
      publisher = {Pitman},
      }

      @BOOK{ABC2,
      author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.},
      translator = {Smith, John},
      title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics},
      year = {1979},
      publisher = {Pitman},
      }
      end{filecontents*}


      bibliography{MWE.bib}

      begin{document}
      Not the desired outputautocite{ABC}.
      Desired outputautocite{ABC2}.
      end{document}









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      I have a problem with biblatex-dw when there are titles ending with a full stop, ellipsis symbol or question mark. They are interpreted as end of a sentence and influence later bib macros.



      In the MWE the textelp{} (which is required here) of the entry ABC has the effect that the




      Trans. by




      is written with an uppercase 'T' instead of the desired behaviour of entry ABC2 with output




      , trans. b




      So I'm looking for a way to somehow hide the full stop/question mark/ellipses from the bib macro.



      MWE:



      documentclass{article}
      usepackage[backend=biber,style=footnote-dw]{biblatex}
      usepackage{csquotes}

      begin{filecontents*}{MWE.bib}
      @BOOK{ABC,
      author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.},
      translator = {Smith, John},
      title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics textelp{}},
      year = {1979},
      publisher = {Pitman},
      }

      @BOOK{ABC2,
      author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.},
      translator = {Smith, John},
      title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics},
      year = {1979},
      publisher = {Pitman},
      }
      end{filecontents*}


      bibliography{MWE.bib}

      begin{document}
      Not the desired outputautocite{ABC}.
      Desired outputautocite{ABC2}.
      end{document}






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          Apparently, the textelp{} makes biblatex's punctuation tracker think that the title ends in a sentence-ending full stop. biblatex then suppresses the unwanted double punctuation of a sentence-ending full stop and a comma. You can tell biblatex that the textelp{} is not a sentence-ending full stop with isdot.



          documentclass[british]{article}
          usepackage{babel}
          usepackage{csquotes}
          usepackage[backend=biber,style=footnote-dw]{biblatex}
          usepackage{filecontents}
          begin{filecontents*}{jobname.bib}
          @book{ABC,
          author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.} ,
          translator = {Smith, John},
          title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics textelp{}isdot},
          year = {1979},
          publisher = {Pitman},
          }
          @book{ABC2,
          author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.},
          translator = {Smith, John},
          title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics},
          year = {1979},
          publisher = {Pitman},
          }
          end{filecontents*}

          bibliography{jobname.bib}

          begin{document}
          Not the desired outputautocite{ABC}.
          Desired outputautocite{ABC2}.
          end{document}


          Foonote 1 "J. W. Cornelisse/H. Ferry R. Schoeyer/Karel F. Wakker: Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics [...], trans. by John Smith, 1979."//Footnote 2 "Idem: Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics, trans. by John Smith, 1979."






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          • moewe, Would it be viable to set something in DeclareCapitalPunctuation?
            – gusbrs
            Dec 4 at 10:35










          • Thank you works perfect!
            – user2653422
            Dec 4 at 10:41






          • 1




            @gusbrs Could be tricky, the default is DeclareCapitalPunctuation{.!?}, which does not include the ellipsis explicitly. But in standard LaTeX textellipsis is built up from . (cf. tex.stackexchange.com/q/258591/35864), so one can't simply do something for . but not for textellipsis. Cf. also github.com/plk/biblatex/issues/514 and in particular github.com/moewew/biblatex/commit/….
            – moewe
            Dec 4 at 10:46










          • @gusbrs To see a different outcome, compile the MWE from the OP with usepackage[LY1]{fontenc}. LY1 has a dedicated ellipsis character.
            – moewe
            Dec 4 at 10:52










          • @moewe Mmh, even trickier than I thought. Thanks for the explanation.
            – gusbrs
            Dec 4 at 11:41











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          Apparently, the textelp{} makes biblatex's punctuation tracker think that the title ends in a sentence-ending full stop. biblatex then suppresses the unwanted double punctuation of a sentence-ending full stop and a comma. You can tell biblatex that the textelp{} is not a sentence-ending full stop with isdot.



          documentclass[british]{article}
          usepackage{babel}
          usepackage{csquotes}
          usepackage[backend=biber,style=footnote-dw]{biblatex}
          usepackage{filecontents}
          begin{filecontents*}{jobname.bib}
          @book{ABC,
          author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.} ,
          translator = {Smith, John},
          title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics textelp{}isdot},
          year = {1979},
          publisher = {Pitman},
          }
          @book{ABC2,
          author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.},
          translator = {Smith, John},
          title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics},
          year = {1979},
          publisher = {Pitman},
          }
          end{filecontents*}

          bibliography{jobname.bib}

          begin{document}
          Not the desired outputautocite{ABC}.
          Desired outputautocite{ABC2}.
          end{document}


          Foonote 1 "J. W. Cornelisse/H. Ferry R. Schoeyer/Karel F. Wakker: Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics [...], trans. by John Smith, 1979."//Footnote 2 "Idem: Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics, trans. by John Smith, 1979."






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          • moewe, Would it be viable to set something in DeclareCapitalPunctuation?
            – gusbrs
            Dec 4 at 10:35










          • Thank you works perfect!
            – user2653422
            Dec 4 at 10:41






          • 1




            @gusbrs Could be tricky, the default is DeclareCapitalPunctuation{.!?}, which does not include the ellipsis explicitly. But in standard LaTeX textellipsis is built up from . (cf. tex.stackexchange.com/q/258591/35864), so one can't simply do something for . but not for textellipsis. Cf. also github.com/plk/biblatex/issues/514 and in particular github.com/moewew/biblatex/commit/….
            – moewe
            Dec 4 at 10:46










          • @gusbrs To see a different outcome, compile the MWE from the OP with usepackage[LY1]{fontenc}. LY1 has a dedicated ellipsis character.
            – moewe
            Dec 4 at 10:52










          • @moewe Mmh, even trickier than I thought. Thanks for the explanation.
            – gusbrs
            Dec 4 at 11:41















          up vote
          2
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          accepted










          Apparently, the textelp{} makes biblatex's punctuation tracker think that the title ends in a sentence-ending full stop. biblatex then suppresses the unwanted double punctuation of a sentence-ending full stop and a comma. You can tell biblatex that the textelp{} is not a sentence-ending full stop with isdot.



          documentclass[british]{article}
          usepackage{babel}
          usepackage{csquotes}
          usepackage[backend=biber,style=footnote-dw]{biblatex}
          usepackage{filecontents}
          begin{filecontents*}{jobname.bib}
          @book{ABC,
          author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.} ,
          translator = {Smith, John},
          title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics textelp{}isdot},
          year = {1979},
          publisher = {Pitman},
          }
          @book{ABC2,
          author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.},
          translator = {Smith, John},
          title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics},
          year = {1979},
          publisher = {Pitman},
          }
          end{filecontents*}

          bibliography{jobname.bib}

          begin{document}
          Not the desired outputautocite{ABC}.
          Desired outputautocite{ABC2}.
          end{document}


          Foonote 1 "J. W. Cornelisse/H. Ferry R. Schoeyer/Karel F. Wakker: Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics [...], trans. by John Smith, 1979."//Footnote 2 "Idem: Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics, trans. by John Smith, 1979."






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          • moewe, Would it be viable to set something in DeclareCapitalPunctuation?
            – gusbrs
            Dec 4 at 10:35










          • Thank you works perfect!
            – user2653422
            Dec 4 at 10:41






          • 1




            @gusbrs Could be tricky, the default is DeclareCapitalPunctuation{.!?}, which does not include the ellipsis explicitly. But in standard LaTeX textellipsis is built up from . (cf. tex.stackexchange.com/q/258591/35864), so one can't simply do something for . but not for textellipsis. Cf. also github.com/plk/biblatex/issues/514 and in particular github.com/moewew/biblatex/commit/….
            – moewe
            Dec 4 at 10:46










          • @gusbrs To see a different outcome, compile the MWE from the OP with usepackage[LY1]{fontenc}. LY1 has a dedicated ellipsis character.
            – moewe
            Dec 4 at 10:52










          • @moewe Mmh, even trickier than I thought. Thanks for the explanation.
            – gusbrs
            Dec 4 at 11:41













          up vote
          2
          down vote



          accepted







          up vote
          2
          down vote



          accepted






          Apparently, the textelp{} makes biblatex's punctuation tracker think that the title ends in a sentence-ending full stop. biblatex then suppresses the unwanted double punctuation of a sentence-ending full stop and a comma. You can tell biblatex that the textelp{} is not a sentence-ending full stop with isdot.



          documentclass[british]{article}
          usepackage{babel}
          usepackage{csquotes}
          usepackage[backend=biber,style=footnote-dw]{biblatex}
          usepackage{filecontents}
          begin{filecontents*}{jobname.bib}
          @book{ABC,
          author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.} ,
          translator = {Smith, John},
          title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics textelp{}isdot},
          year = {1979},
          publisher = {Pitman},
          }
          @book{ABC2,
          author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.},
          translator = {Smith, John},
          title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics},
          year = {1979},
          publisher = {Pitman},
          }
          end{filecontents*}

          bibliography{jobname.bib}

          begin{document}
          Not the desired outputautocite{ABC}.
          Desired outputautocite{ABC2}.
          end{document}


          Foonote 1 "J. W. Cornelisse/H. Ferry R. Schoeyer/Karel F. Wakker: Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics [...], trans. by John Smith, 1979."//Footnote 2 "Idem: Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics, trans. by John Smith, 1979."






          share|improve this answer












          Apparently, the textelp{} makes biblatex's punctuation tracker think that the title ends in a sentence-ending full stop. biblatex then suppresses the unwanted double punctuation of a sentence-ending full stop and a comma. You can tell biblatex that the textelp{} is not a sentence-ending full stop with isdot.



          documentclass[british]{article}
          usepackage{babel}
          usepackage{csquotes}
          usepackage[backend=biber,style=footnote-dw]{biblatex}
          usepackage{filecontents}
          begin{filecontents*}{jobname.bib}
          @book{ABC,
          author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.} ,
          translator = {Smith, John},
          title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics textelp{}isdot},
          year = {1979},
          publisher = {Pitman},
          }
          @book{ABC2,
          author = {Cornelisse, J. W. and Schoeyer, H. Ferry R. and Wakker, Karel F.},
          translator = {Smith, John},
          title = {Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics},
          year = {1979},
          publisher = {Pitman},
          }
          end{filecontents*}

          bibliography{jobname.bib}

          begin{document}
          Not the desired outputautocite{ABC}.
          Desired outputautocite{ABC2}.
          end{document}


          Foonote 1 "J. W. Cornelisse/H. Ferry R. Schoeyer/Karel F. Wakker: Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics [...], trans. by John Smith, 1979."//Footnote 2 "Idem: Rocket Propulsion and Spaceflight Dynamics, trans. by John Smith, 1979."







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          • moewe, Would it be viable to set something in DeclareCapitalPunctuation?
            – gusbrs
            Dec 4 at 10:35










          • Thank you works perfect!
            – user2653422
            Dec 4 at 10:41






          • 1




            @gusbrs Could be tricky, the default is DeclareCapitalPunctuation{.!?}, which does not include the ellipsis explicitly. But in standard LaTeX textellipsis is built up from . (cf. tex.stackexchange.com/q/258591/35864), so one can't simply do something for . but not for textellipsis. Cf. also github.com/plk/biblatex/issues/514 and in particular github.com/moewew/biblatex/commit/….
            – moewe
            Dec 4 at 10:46










          • @gusbrs To see a different outcome, compile the MWE from the OP with usepackage[LY1]{fontenc}. LY1 has a dedicated ellipsis character.
            – moewe
            Dec 4 at 10:52










          • @moewe Mmh, even trickier than I thought. Thanks for the explanation.
            – gusbrs
            Dec 4 at 11:41


















          • moewe, Would it be viable to set something in DeclareCapitalPunctuation?
            – gusbrs
            Dec 4 at 10:35










          • Thank you works perfect!
            – user2653422
            Dec 4 at 10:41






          • 1




            @gusbrs Could be tricky, the default is DeclareCapitalPunctuation{.!?}, which does not include the ellipsis explicitly. But in standard LaTeX textellipsis is built up from . (cf. tex.stackexchange.com/q/258591/35864), so one can't simply do something for . but not for textellipsis. Cf. also github.com/plk/biblatex/issues/514 and in particular github.com/moewew/biblatex/commit/….
            – moewe
            Dec 4 at 10:46










          • @gusbrs To see a different outcome, compile the MWE from the OP with usepackage[LY1]{fontenc}. LY1 has a dedicated ellipsis character.
            – moewe
            Dec 4 at 10:52










          • @moewe Mmh, even trickier than I thought. Thanks for the explanation.
            – gusbrs
            Dec 4 at 11:41
















          moewe, Would it be viable to set something in DeclareCapitalPunctuation?
          – gusbrs
          Dec 4 at 10:35




          moewe, Would it be viable to set something in DeclareCapitalPunctuation?
          – gusbrs
          Dec 4 at 10:35












          Thank you works perfect!
          – user2653422
          Dec 4 at 10:41




          Thank you works perfect!
          – user2653422
          Dec 4 at 10:41




          1




          1




          @gusbrs Could be tricky, the default is DeclareCapitalPunctuation{.!?}, which does not include the ellipsis explicitly. But in standard LaTeX textellipsis is built up from . (cf. tex.stackexchange.com/q/258591/35864), so one can't simply do something for . but not for textellipsis. Cf. also github.com/plk/biblatex/issues/514 and in particular github.com/moewew/biblatex/commit/….
          – moewe
          Dec 4 at 10:46




          @gusbrs Could be tricky, the default is DeclareCapitalPunctuation{.!?}, which does not include the ellipsis explicitly. But in standard LaTeX textellipsis is built up from . (cf. tex.stackexchange.com/q/258591/35864), so one can't simply do something for . but not for textellipsis. Cf. also github.com/plk/biblatex/issues/514 and in particular github.com/moewew/biblatex/commit/….
          – moewe
          Dec 4 at 10:46












          @gusbrs To see a different outcome, compile the MWE from the OP with usepackage[LY1]{fontenc}. LY1 has a dedicated ellipsis character.
          – moewe
          Dec 4 at 10:52




          @gusbrs To see a different outcome, compile the MWE from the OP with usepackage[LY1]{fontenc}. LY1 has a dedicated ellipsis character.
          – moewe
          Dec 4 at 10:52












          @moewe Mmh, even trickier than I thought. Thanks for the explanation.
          – gusbrs
          Dec 4 at 11:41




          @moewe Mmh, even trickier than I thought. Thanks for the explanation.
          – gusbrs
          Dec 4 at 11:41


















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