Disk space - Python dictionary vs list












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I was asked to create an inverted index and save its binary in multiple ways (with and without compression).



Long story short, I noticed that using a dict representation takes much less disk space than transforming into a list.



Sample:



dic = {
'w1': [1,2,3,4,5,6],
'w2': [2,3,4,5,6],
'w3': [3,4,5,6],
'w4': [4,5,6]
}

dic_list = list(dic.items())

import pickle

with open('dic.pickle', 'wb') as handle:
pickle.dump(dic, handle, protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL)

with open('dic_list.pickle', 'wb') as handle:
pickle.dump(dic_list, handle, protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL)


If you check both files sizes, you will notice the difference.



So, I am willing to know how and why they are different. Any additional information would be much appreciated










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    Closely related: Python memory consumption: dict VS list of tuples

    – Martijn Pieters
    Nov 19 '18 at 14:29
















1















I was asked to create an inverted index and save its binary in multiple ways (with and without compression).



Long story short, I noticed that using a dict representation takes much less disk space than transforming into a list.



Sample:



dic = {
'w1': [1,2,3,4,5,6],
'w2': [2,3,4,5,6],
'w3': [3,4,5,6],
'w4': [4,5,6]
}

dic_list = list(dic.items())

import pickle

with open('dic.pickle', 'wb') as handle:
pickle.dump(dic, handle, protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL)

with open('dic_list.pickle', 'wb') as handle:
pickle.dump(dic_list, handle, protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL)


If you check both files sizes, you will notice the difference.



So, I am willing to know how and why they are different. Any additional information would be much appreciated










share|improve this question




















  • 2





    Closely related: Python memory consumption: dict VS list of tuples

    – Martijn Pieters
    Nov 19 '18 at 14:29














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I was asked to create an inverted index and save its binary in multiple ways (with and without compression).



Long story short, I noticed that using a dict representation takes much less disk space than transforming into a list.



Sample:



dic = {
'w1': [1,2,3,4,5,6],
'w2': [2,3,4,5,6],
'w3': [3,4,5,6],
'w4': [4,5,6]
}

dic_list = list(dic.items())

import pickle

with open('dic.pickle', 'wb') as handle:
pickle.dump(dic, handle, protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL)

with open('dic_list.pickle', 'wb') as handle:
pickle.dump(dic_list, handle, protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL)


If you check both files sizes, you will notice the difference.



So, I am willing to know how and why they are different. Any additional information would be much appreciated










share|improve this question
















I was asked to create an inverted index and save its binary in multiple ways (with and without compression).



Long story short, I noticed that using a dict representation takes much less disk space than transforming into a list.



Sample:



dic = {
'w1': [1,2,3,4,5,6],
'w2': [2,3,4,5,6],
'w3': [3,4,5,6],
'w4': [4,5,6]
}

dic_list = list(dic.items())

import pickle

with open('dic.pickle', 'wb') as handle:
pickle.dump(dic, handle, protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL)

with open('dic_list.pickle', 'wb') as handle:
pickle.dump(dic_list, handle, protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL)


If you check both files sizes, you will notice the difference.



So, I am willing to know how and why they are different. Any additional information would be much appreciated







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    Closely related: Python memory consumption: dict VS list of tuples

    – Martijn Pieters
    Nov 19 '18 at 14:29














  • 2





    Closely related: Python memory consumption: dict VS list of tuples

    – Martijn Pieters
    Nov 19 '18 at 14:29








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Closely related: Python memory consumption: dict VS list of tuples

– Martijn Pieters
Nov 19 '18 at 14:29





Closely related: Python memory consumption: dict VS list of tuples

– Martijn Pieters
Nov 19 '18 at 14:29












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The dic_list list consists of more objects. You have an outer list of tuples, each tuple a key-value pair. Each value is another list. Those tuples are the reason you need more space.



The dictionary pickle format doesn't have to use tuple objects to store key-value pairs; it is already known up front that a dictionary consists of a series of pairs, so you can serialise key and value per such pair directly without the overhead of a wrapping tuple object.



You can analyse pickle data with the pickletools module; using a simpler dictionary with just one key-value, you can see the difference already:



>>> import pickle, pickletools
>>> pickletools.dis(pickle.dumps({'foo': 42}, protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL))
0: x80 PROTO 4
2: x95 FRAME 12
11: } EMPTY_DICT
12: x94 MEMOIZE (as 0)
13: x8c SHORT_BINUNICODE 'foo'
18: x94 MEMOIZE (as 1)
19: K BININT1 42
21: s SETITEM
22: . STOP
highest protocol among opcodes = 4
>>> pickletools.dis(pickle.dumps(list({'foo': 42}.items()), protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL))
0: x80 PROTO 4
2: x95 FRAME 14
11: ] EMPTY_LIST
12: x94 MEMOIZE (as 0)
13: x8c SHORT_BINUNICODE 'foo'
18: x94 MEMOIZE (as 1)
19: K BININT1 42
21: x86 TUPLE2
22: x94 MEMOIZE (as 2)
23: a APPEND
24: . STOP


If you consider EMPTY_DICT + SETITEM to be the equivalent of EMPTY_LIST + APPEND, then the only real difference in that stream in the addition of the TUPLE2 / MEMOIZE pair of opcodes. It's those opcodes that take the extra space.






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    A dict can natively handle key-value pairs, while a list must use a separate container.



    Your dict is a straightforward representation of Dict[K, V] - pairs plus some structure. Since the structure is runtime only, it can be ignored for storage.



    {'a': 1, 'b': 2}


    Your list uses a helper for pairs, resulting in List[Tuple[K,V]] - pairs plus wrapper. Since the wrapper is needed to reconstruct the pairs, it cannot be ignored for storage.



    [('a', 1), ('b', 2)]




    You can also inspect this in the pickle dump. The list dump contains markers for the additional tuples.



    pickle.dumps({'a': 1, 'b': 2}, protocol=0)
    (dp0 # <new dict>
    Va # string a
    p1
    I1 # integer 1
    sVb # <setitem key/value>, string b
    p2
    I2 # integer 2
    s. # <setitem key/value>

    pickle.dumps(list({'a': 1, 'b': 2}.items()), protocol=0)
    (lp0 # <new list>
    (Va # <marker>, string a
    p1
    I1 # integer 1
    tp2 # <make tuple>
    a(Vb # <append>, <marker>, string b
    p3
    I2 # integer 2
    tp4 # <make tuple>
    a. # <append>


    While the surrounding dict and list are both stored as a sequence of pairs, the pairs are stored differently. For the dict, only key, value and stop are stored flatly. For the list, an additional tuple is needed for each pair.






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    • protocol 0 differs in enough ways from the current protocol revision 4 that I'd recommend against using it to illustrate what might be going on. pickletools.dis() is far more readable, at any rate.

      – Martijn Pieters
      Nov 19 '18 at 14:45











    • @MartijnPieters Well, the nesting is present either way and ASCII is less intimidating for some people. The point is that there is an additional container, not how these are encoded. That, plus your answer already showed the nicer dis output anyways. ;)

      – MisterMiyagi
      Nov 19 '18 at 14:52











    • The nesting is not present, not in the pickle.dumps() string, nor is the explanation of the opcodes. You had to add those yourself, or you used an IDE that detected you were dumping a pickle.

      – Martijn Pieters
      Nov 19 '18 at 15:07











    • @MartijnPieters I mean the tuples nested into the list. The relevant part is that the tuples must be dumped as well. I don't think it really matters where the formatting comes from, a pickle dump is low-level gibberish even with formatting/annotations for most people.

      – MisterMiyagi
      Nov 19 '18 at 15:14











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    The dic_list list consists of more objects. You have an outer list of tuples, each tuple a key-value pair. Each value is another list. Those tuples are the reason you need more space.



    The dictionary pickle format doesn't have to use tuple objects to store key-value pairs; it is already known up front that a dictionary consists of a series of pairs, so you can serialise key and value per such pair directly without the overhead of a wrapping tuple object.



    You can analyse pickle data with the pickletools module; using a simpler dictionary with just one key-value, you can see the difference already:



    >>> import pickle, pickletools
    >>> pickletools.dis(pickle.dumps({'foo': 42}, protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL))
    0: x80 PROTO 4
    2: x95 FRAME 12
    11: } EMPTY_DICT
    12: x94 MEMOIZE (as 0)
    13: x8c SHORT_BINUNICODE 'foo'
    18: x94 MEMOIZE (as 1)
    19: K BININT1 42
    21: s SETITEM
    22: . STOP
    highest protocol among opcodes = 4
    >>> pickletools.dis(pickle.dumps(list({'foo': 42}.items()), protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL))
    0: x80 PROTO 4
    2: x95 FRAME 14
    11: ] EMPTY_LIST
    12: x94 MEMOIZE (as 0)
    13: x8c SHORT_BINUNICODE 'foo'
    18: x94 MEMOIZE (as 1)
    19: K BININT1 42
    21: x86 TUPLE2
    22: x94 MEMOIZE (as 2)
    23: a APPEND
    24: . STOP


    If you consider EMPTY_DICT + SETITEM to be the equivalent of EMPTY_LIST + APPEND, then the only real difference in that stream in the addition of the TUPLE2 / MEMOIZE pair of opcodes. It's those opcodes that take the extra space.






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      The dic_list list consists of more objects. You have an outer list of tuples, each tuple a key-value pair. Each value is another list. Those tuples are the reason you need more space.



      The dictionary pickle format doesn't have to use tuple objects to store key-value pairs; it is already known up front that a dictionary consists of a series of pairs, so you can serialise key and value per such pair directly without the overhead of a wrapping tuple object.



      You can analyse pickle data with the pickletools module; using a simpler dictionary with just one key-value, you can see the difference already:



      >>> import pickle, pickletools
      >>> pickletools.dis(pickle.dumps({'foo': 42}, protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL))
      0: x80 PROTO 4
      2: x95 FRAME 12
      11: } EMPTY_DICT
      12: x94 MEMOIZE (as 0)
      13: x8c SHORT_BINUNICODE 'foo'
      18: x94 MEMOIZE (as 1)
      19: K BININT1 42
      21: s SETITEM
      22: . STOP
      highest protocol among opcodes = 4
      >>> pickletools.dis(pickle.dumps(list({'foo': 42}.items()), protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL))
      0: x80 PROTO 4
      2: x95 FRAME 14
      11: ] EMPTY_LIST
      12: x94 MEMOIZE (as 0)
      13: x8c SHORT_BINUNICODE 'foo'
      18: x94 MEMOIZE (as 1)
      19: K BININT1 42
      21: x86 TUPLE2
      22: x94 MEMOIZE (as 2)
      23: a APPEND
      24: . STOP


      If you consider EMPTY_DICT + SETITEM to be the equivalent of EMPTY_LIST + APPEND, then the only real difference in that stream in the addition of the TUPLE2 / MEMOIZE pair of opcodes. It's those opcodes that take the extra space.






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        The dic_list list consists of more objects. You have an outer list of tuples, each tuple a key-value pair. Each value is another list. Those tuples are the reason you need more space.



        The dictionary pickle format doesn't have to use tuple objects to store key-value pairs; it is already known up front that a dictionary consists of a series of pairs, so you can serialise key and value per such pair directly without the overhead of a wrapping tuple object.



        You can analyse pickle data with the pickletools module; using a simpler dictionary with just one key-value, you can see the difference already:



        >>> import pickle, pickletools
        >>> pickletools.dis(pickle.dumps({'foo': 42}, protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL))
        0: x80 PROTO 4
        2: x95 FRAME 12
        11: } EMPTY_DICT
        12: x94 MEMOIZE (as 0)
        13: x8c SHORT_BINUNICODE 'foo'
        18: x94 MEMOIZE (as 1)
        19: K BININT1 42
        21: s SETITEM
        22: . STOP
        highest protocol among opcodes = 4
        >>> pickletools.dis(pickle.dumps(list({'foo': 42}.items()), protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL))
        0: x80 PROTO 4
        2: x95 FRAME 14
        11: ] EMPTY_LIST
        12: x94 MEMOIZE (as 0)
        13: x8c SHORT_BINUNICODE 'foo'
        18: x94 MEMOIZE (as 1)
        19: K BININT1 42
        21: x86 TUPLE2
        22: x94 MEMOIZE (as 2)
        23: a APPEND
        24: . STOP


        If you consider EMPTY_DICT + SETITEM to be the equivalent of EMPTY_LIST + APPEND, then the only real difference in that stream in the addition of the TUPLE2 / MEMOIZE pair of opcodes. It's those opcodes that take the extra space.






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        The dic_list list consists of more objects. You have an outer list of tuples, each tuple a key-value pair. Each value is another list. Those tuples are the reason you need more space.



        The dictionary pickle format doesn't have to use tuple objects to store key-value pairs; it is already known up front that a dictionary consists of a series of pairs, so you can serialise key and value per such pair directly without the overhead of a wrapping tuple object.



        You can analyse pickle data with the pickletools module; using a simpler dictionary with just one key-value, you can see the difference already:



        >>> import pickle, pickletools
        >>> pickletools.dis(pickle.dumps({'foo': 42}, protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL))
        0: x80 PROTO 4
        2: x95 FRAME 12
        11: } EMPTY_DICT
        12: x94 MEMOIZE (as 0)
        13: x8c SHORT_BINUNICODE 'foo'
        18: x94 MEMOIZE (as 1)
        19: K BININT1 42
        21: s SETITEM
        22: . STOP
        highest protocol among opcodes = 4
        >>> pickletools.dis(pickle.dumps(list({'foo': 42}.items()), protocol=pickle.HIGHEST_PROTOCOL))
        0: x80 PROTO 4
        2: x95 FRAME 14
        11: ] EMPTY_LIST
        12: x94 MEMOIZE (as 0)
        13: x8c SHORT_BINUNICODE 'foo'
        18: x94 MEMOIZE (as 1)
        19: K BININT1 42
        21: x86 TUPLE2
        22: x94 MEMOIZE (as 2)
        23: a APPEND
        24: . STOP


        If you consider EMPTY_DICT + SETITEM to be the equivalent of EMPTY_LIST + APPEND, then the only real difference in that stream in the addition of the TUPLE2 / MEMOIZE pair of opcodes. It's those opcodes that take the extra space.







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            A dict can natively handle key-value pairs, while a list must use a separate container.



            Your dict is a straightforward representation of Dict[K, V] - pairs plus some structure. Since the structure is runtime only, it can be ignored for storage.



            {'a': 1, 'b': 2}


            Your list uses a helper for pairs, resulting in List[Tuple[K,V]] - pairs plus wrapper. Since the wrapper is needed to reconstruct the pairs, it cannot be ignored for storage.



            [('a', 1), ('b', 2)]




            You can also inspect this in the pickle dump. The list dump contains markers for the additional tuples.



            pickle.dumps({'a': 1, 'b': 2}, protocol=0)
            (dp0 # <new dict>
            Va # string a
            p1
            I1 # integer 1
            sVb # <setitem key/value>, string b
            p2
            I2 # integer 2
            s. # <setitem key/value>

            pickle.dumps(list({'a': 1, 'b': 2}.items()), protocol=0)
            (lp0 # <new list>
            (Va # <marker>, string a
            p1
            I1 # integer 1
            tp2 # <make tuple>
            a(Vb # <append>, <marker>, string b
            p3
            I2 # integer 2
            tp4 # <make tuple>
            a. # <append>


            While the surrounding dict and list are both stored as a sequence of pairs, the pairs are stored differently. For the dict, only key, value and stop are stored flatly. For the list, an additional tuple is needed for each pair.






            share|improve this answer


























            • protocol 0 differs in enough ways from the current protocol revision 4 that I'd recommend against using it to illustrate what might be going on. pickletools.dis() is far more readable, at any rate.

              – Martijn Pieters
              Nov 19 '18 at 14:45











            • @MartijnPieters Well, the nesting is present either way and ASCII is less intimidating for some people. The point is that there is an additional container, not how these are encoded. That, plus your answer already showed the nicer dis output anyways. ;)

              – MisterMiyagi
              Nov 19 '18 at 14:52











            • The nesting is not present, not in the pickle.dumps() string, nor is the explanation of the opcodes. You had to add those yourself, or you used an IDE that detected you were dumping a pickle.

              – Martijn Pieters
              Nov 19 '18 at 15:07











            • @MartijnPieters I mean the tuples nested into the list. The relevant part is that the tuples must be dumped as well. I don't think it really matters where the formatting comes from, a pickle dump is low-level gibberish even with formatting/annotations for most people.

              – MisterMiyagi
              Nov 19 '18 at 15:14
















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            A dict can natively handle key-value pairs, while a list must use a separate container.



            Your dict is a straightforward representation of Dict[K, V] - pairs plus some structure. Since the structure is runtime only, it can be ignored for storage.



            {'a': 1, 'b': 2}


            Your list uses a helper for pairs, resulting in List[Tuple[K,V]] - pairs plus wrapper. Since the wrapper is needed to reconstruct the pairs, it cannot be ignored for storage.



            [('a', 1), ('b', 2)]




            You can also inspect this in the pickle dump. The list dump contains markers for the additional tuples.



            pickle.dumps({'a': 1, 'b': 2}, protocol=0)
            (dp0 # <new dict>
            Va # string a
            p1
            I1 # integer 1
            sVb # <setitem key/value>, string b
            p2
            I2 # integer 2
            s. # <setitem key/value>

            pickle.dumps(list({'a': 1, 'b': 2}.items()), protocol=0)
            (lp0 # <new list>
            (Va # <marker>, string a
            p1
            I1 # integer 1
            tp2 # <make tuple>
            a(Vb # <append>, <marker>, string b
            p3
            I2 # integer 2
            tp4 # <make tuple>
            a. # <append>


            While the surrounding dict and list are both stored as a sequence of pairs, the pairs are stored differently. For the dict, only key, value and stop are stored flatly. For the list, an additional tuple is needed for each pair.






            share|improve this answer


























            • protocol 0 differs in enough ways from the current protocol revision 4 that I'd recommend against using it to illustrate what might be going on. pickletools.dis() is far more readable, at any rate.

              – Martijn Pieters
              Nov 19 '18 at 14:45











            • @MartijnPieters Well, the nesting is present either way and ASCII is less intimidating for some people. The point is that there is an additional container, not how these are encoded. That, plus your answer already showed the nicer dis output anyways. ;)

              – MisterMiyagi
              Nov 19 '18 at 14:52











            • The nesting is not present, not in the pickle.dumps() string, nor is the explanation of the opcodes. You had to add those yourself, or you used an IDE that detected you were dumping a pickle.

              – Martijn Pieters
              Nov 19 '18 at 15:07











            • @MartijnPieters I mean the tuples nested into the list. The relevant part is that the tuples must be dumped as well. I don't think it really matters where the formatting comes from, a pickle dump is low-level gibberish even with formatting/annotations for most people.

              – MisterMiyagi
              Nov 19 '18 at 15:14














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            A dict can natively handle key-value pairs, while a list must use a separate container.



            Your dict is a straightforward representation of Dict[K, V] - pairs plus some structure. Since the structure is runtime only, it can be ignored for storage.



            {'a': 1, 'b': 2}


            Your list uses a helper for pairs, resulting in List[Tuple[K,V]] - pairs plus wrapper. Since the wrapper is needed to reconstruct the pairs, it cannot be ignored for storage.



            [('a', 1), ('b', 2)]




            You can also inspect this in the pickle dump. The list dump contains markers for the additional tuples.



            pickle.dumps({'a': 1, 'b': 2}, protocol=0)
            (dp0 # <new dict>
            Va # string a
            p1
            I1 # integer 1
            sVb # <setitem key/value>, string b
            p2
            I2 # integer 2
            s. # <setitem key/value>

            pickle.dumps(list({'a': 1, 'b': 2}.items()), protocol=0)
            (lp0 # <new list>
            (Va # <marker>, string a
            p1
            I1 # integer 1
            tp2 # <make tuple>
            a(Vb # <append>, <marker>, string b
            p3
            I2 # integer 2
            tp4 # <make tuple>
            a. # <append>


            While the surrounding dict and list are both stored as a sequence of pairs, the pairs are stored differently. For the dict, only key, value and stop are stored flatly. For the list, an additional tuple is needed for each pair.






            share|improve this answer















            A dict can natively handle key-value pairs, while a list must use a separate container.



            Your dict is a straightforward representation of Dict[K, V] - pairs plus some structure. Since the structure is runtime only, it can be ignored for storage.



            {'a': 1, 'b': 2}


            Your list uses a helper for pairs, resulting in List[Tuple[K,V]] - pairs plus wrapper. Since the wrapper is needed to reconstruct the pairs, it cannot be ignored for storage.



            [('a', 1), ('b', 2)]




            You can also inspect this in the pickle dump. The list dump contains markers for the additional tuples.



            pickle.dumps({'a': 1, 'b': 2}, protocol=0)
            (dp0 # <new dict>
            Va # string a
            p1
            I1 # integer 1
            sVb # <setitem key/value>, string b
            p2
            I2 # integer 2
            s. # <setitem key/value>

            pickle.dumps(list({'a': 1, 'b': 2}.items()), protocol=0)
            (lp0 # <new list>
            (Va # <marker>, string a
            p1
            I1 # integer 1
            tp2 # <make tuple>
            a(Vb # <append>, <marker>, string b
            p3
            I2 # integer 2
            tp4 # <make tuple>
            a. # <append>


            While the surrounding dict and list are both stored as a sequence of pairs, the pairs are stored differently. For the dict, only key, value and stop are stored flatly. For the list, an additional tuple is needed for each pair.







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            • protocol 0 differs in enough ways from the current protocol revision 4 that I'd recommend against using it to illustrate what might be going on. pickletools.dis() is far more readable, at any rate.

              – Martijn Pieters
              Nov 19 '18 at 14:45











            • @MartijnPieters Well, the nesting is present either way and ASCII is less intimidating for some people. The point is that there is an additional container, not how these are encoded. That, plus your answer already showed the nicer dis output anyways. ;)

              – MisterMiyagi
              Nov 19 '18 at 14:52











            • The nesting is not present, not in the pickle.dumps() string, nor is the explanation of the opcodes. You had to add those yourself, or you used an IDE that detected you were dumping a pickle.

              – Martijn Pieters
              Nov 19 '18 at 15:07











            • @MartijnPieters I mean the tuples nested into the list. The relevant part is that the tuples must be dumped as well. I don't think it really matters where the formatting comes from, a pickle dump is low-level gibberish even with formatting/annotations for most people.

              – MisterMiyagi
              Nov 19 '18 at 15:14



















            • protocol 0 differs in enough ways from the current protocol revision 4 that I'd recommend against using it to illustrate what might be going on. pickletools.dis() is far more readable, at any rate.

              – Martijn Pieters
              Nov 19 '18 at 14:45











            • @MartijnPieters Well, the nesting is present either way and ASCII is less intimidating for some people. The point is that there is an additional container, not how these are encoded. That, plus your answer already showed the nicer dis output anyways. ;)

              – MisterMiyagi
              Nov 19 '18 at 14:52











            • The nesting is not present, not in the pickle.dumps() string, nor is the explanation of the opcodes. You had to add those yourself, or you used an IDE that detected you were dumping a pickle.

              – Martijn Pieters
              Nov 19 '18 at 15:07











            • @MartijnPieters I mean the tuples nested into the list. The relevant part is that the tuples must be dumped as well. I don't think it really matters where the formatting comes from, a pickle dump is low-level gibberish even with formatting/annotations for most people.

              – MisterMiyagi
              Nov 19 '18 at 15:14

















            protocol 0 differs in enough ways from the current protocol revision 4 that I'd recommend against using it to illustrate what might be going on. pickletools.dis() is far more readable, at any rate.

            – Martijn Pieters
            Nov 19 '18 at 14:45





            protocol 0 differs in enough ways from the current protocol revision 4 that I'd recommend against using it to illustrate what might be going on. pickletools.dis() is far more readable, at any rate.

            – Martijn Pieters
            Nov 19 '18 at 14:45













            @MartijnPieters Well, the nesting is present either way and ASCII is less intimidating for some people. The point is that there is an additional container, not how these are encoded. That, plus your answer already showed the nicer dis output anyways. ;)

            – MisterMiyagi
            Nov 19 '18 at 14:52





            @MartijnPieters Well, the nesting is present either way and ASCII is less intimidating for some people. The point is that there is an additional container, not how these are encoded. That, plus your answer already showed the nicer dis output anyways. ;)

            – MisterMiyagi
            Nov 19 '18 at 14:52













            The nesting is not present, not in the pickle.dumps() string, nor is the explanation of the opcodes. You had to add those yourself, or you used an IDE that detected you were dumping a pickle.

            – Martijn Pieters
            Nov 19 '18 at 15:07





            The nesting is not present, not in the pickle.dumps() string, nor is the explanation of the opcodes. You had to add those yourself, or you used an IDE that detected you were dumping a pickle.

            – Martijn Pieters
            Nov 19 '18 at 15:07













            @MartijnPieters I mean the tuples nested into the list. The relevant part is that the tuples must be dumped as well. I don't think it really matters where the formatting comes from, a pickle dump is low-level gibberish even with formatting/annotations for most people.

            – MisterMiyagi
            Nov 19 '18 at 15:14





            @MartijnPieters I mean the tuples nested into the list. The relevant part is that the tuples must be dumped as well. I don't think it really matters where the formatting comes from, a pickle dump is low-level gibberish even with formatting/annotations for most people.

            – MisterMiyagi
            Nov 19 '18 at 15:14


















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