Find complete integral of $(y-x)(qy-px) = (p-q)^{2}$











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Find complete integral for partial differential equation $(y-x)(qy-px) = (p-q)^{2}$ where $p={ partial z over partial x},q={ partial z over partial y}$.




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The given equation is f(x,y,z,p,q) = $(y-x)(qy-px) - (p-q)^{2}$
The Charpit's auxilary equation will be given by



$${dp over 2px-(p+q)y}={dq over 2qy-(p+q)x}={dx over {2(p-q)-x2+xy}}={dy over {-2(p-q)+xy-y2}}$$
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    sorry , i forgot to mention, here $p={ partial z over partial x},q={ partial z over partial y}$.
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Find complete integral for partial differential equation $(y-x)(qy-px) = (p-q)^{2}$ where $p={ partial z over partial x},q={ partial z over partial y}$.




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The given equation is f(x,y,z,p,q) = $(y-x)(qy-px) - (p-q)^{2}$
The Charpit's auxilary equation will be given by



$${dp over 2px-(p+q)y}={dq over 2qy-(p+q)x}={dx over {2(p-q)-x2+xy}}={dy over {-2(p-q)+xy-y2}}$$
From here I tried to proceed but no solvable fraction turned out.










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    sorry , i forgot to mention, here $p={ partial z over partial x},q={ partial z over partial y}$.
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Find complete integral for partial differential equation $(y-x)(qy-px) = (p-q)^{2}$ where $p={ partial z over partial x},q={ partial z over partial y}$.




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The given equation is f(x,y,z,p,q) = $(y-x)(qy-px) - (p-q)^{2}$
The Charpit's auxilary equation will be given by



$${dp over 2px-(p+q)y}={dq over 2qy-(p+q)x}={dx over {2(p-q)-x2+xy}}={dy over {-2(p-q)+xy-y2}}$$
From here I tried to proceed but no solvable fraction turned out.










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Find complete integral for partial differential equation $(y-x)(qy-px) = (p-q)^{2}$ where $p={ partial z over partial x},q={ partial z over partial y}$.




My attempt:



The given equation is f(x,y,z,p,q) = $(y-x)(qy-px) - (p-q)^{2}$
The Charpit's auxilary equation will be given by



$${dp over 2px-(p+q)y}={dq over 2qy-(p+q)x}={dx over {2(p-q)-x2+xy}}={dy over {-2(p-q)+xy-y2}}$$
From here I tried to proceed but no solvable fraction turned out.







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    Differential equations are usually somehow related to derivatives, they say.
    – Ivan Neretin
    Nov 7 '15 at 15:16






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    sorry , i forgot to mention, here $p={ partial z over partial x},q={ partial z over partial y}$.
    – user2392963
    Nov 7 '15 at 15:24










  • Now it makes a whole lot more sense, thank you.
    – Ivan Neretin
    Nov 7 '15 at 15:28














  • 2




    Differential equations are usually somehow related to derivatives, they say.
    – Ivan Neretin
    Nov 7 '15 at 15:16






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    sorry , i forgot to mention, here $p={ partial z over partial x},q={ partial z over partial y}$.
    – user2392963
    Nov 7 '15 at 15:24










  • Now it makes a whole lot more sense, thank you.
    – Ivan Neretin
    Nov 7 '15 at 15:28








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Differential equations are usually somehow related to derivatives, they say.
– Ivan Neretin
Nov 7 '15 at 15:16




Differential equations are usually somehow related to derivatives, they say.
– Ivan Neretin
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sorry , i forgot to mention, here $p={ partial z over partial x},q={ partial z over partial y}$.
– user2392963
Nov 7 '15 at 15:24




sorry , i forgot to mention, here $p={ partial z over partial x},q={ partial z over partial y}$.
– user2392963
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Now it makes a whole lot more sense, thank you.
– Ivan Neretin
Nov 7 '15 at 15:28




Now it makes a whole lot more sense, thank you.
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Hint:



Let $begin{cases}u=x+y\v=x-yend{cases}$ ,



Then $dfrac{partial z}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}dfrac{partial u}{partial x}+dfrac{partial z}{partial v}dfrac{partial v}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}+dfrac{partial z}{partial v}$



$dfrac{partial z}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}dfrac{partial u}{partial y}+dfrac{partial z}{partial v}dfrac{partial v}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}-dfrac{partial z}{partial v}$



$therefore vleft(vdfrac{partial z}{partial u}+udfrac{partial z}{partial v}right)=4left(dfrac{partial z}{partial v}right)^2$






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Take $X$ and $Y$ to be new variables such that



$$X=x+ytag1$$$$Y=xytag2$$



Given that $(y-x)(qy-px)=(p-q)^2$



Now, $$p=dfrac{partial z}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}dfrac{partial X}{partial x}+dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}dfrac{partial Y}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+ydfrac{partial z}{partial Y}tag3$$and
$$q=dfrac{partial z}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}dfrac{partial X}{partial y}+dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}dfrac{partial Y}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+xdfrac{partial z}{partial Y}tag4$$



Now plug in $p$ and $q$ in $(2)$ and we get
$$(y-x)left[yleft(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+xdfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)-xleft(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+ydfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)right]=left[left(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+ydfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)-left(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+xdfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)right]^2$$or
$$implies(y-x)^2dfrac{partial z}{partial X}=(y-x)^2left(dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)$$
$$implies dfrac{partial z}{partial X}=left(dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)^2mbox{ or } p=q^2tag5$$
where $p=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}$ and $q=dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}$



$(4)$ is of the form $f(p,q)=0$



So, $$z=aX+bY+ctag6$$



where $a=b^2$, on putting $a$ for $p$ and $b$ for $q$ in $(5)$



Therefore, from $(6)$, the required complete integral is $$z=b^2X+bY+c$$or$$z=b^2(x+y)+bxy+c mbox{ from }(6)$$






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    Hint:



    Let $begin{cases}u=x+y\v=x-yend{cases}$ ,



    Then $dfrac{partial z}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}dfrac{partial u}{partial x}+dfrac{partial z}{partial v}dfrac{partial v}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}+dfrac{partial z}{partial v}$



    $dfrac{partial z}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}dfrac{partial u}{partial y}+dfrac{partial z}{partial v}dfrac{partial v}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}-dfrac{partial z}{partial v}$



    $therefore vleft(vdfrac{partial z}{partial u}+udfrac{partial z}{partial v}right)=4left(dfrac{partial z}{partial v}right)^2$






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    Hint:



    Let $begin{cases}u=x+y\v=x-yend{cases}$ ,



    Then $dfrac{partial z}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}dfrac{partial u}{partial x}+dfrac{partial z}{partial v}dfrac{partial v}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}+dfrac{partial z}{partial v}$



    $dfrac{partial z}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}dfrac{partial u}{partial y}+dfrac{partial z}{partial v}dfrac{partial v}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}-dfrac{partial z}{partial v}$



    $therefore vleft(vdfrac{partial z}{partial u}+udfrac{partial z}{partial v}right)=4left(dfrac{partial z}{partial v}right)^2$






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    Let $begin{cases}u=x+y\v=x-yend{cases}$ ,



    Then $dfrac{partial z}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}dfrac{partial u}{partial x}+dfrac{partial z}{partial v}dfrac{partial v}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}+dfrac{partial z}{partial v}$



    $dfrac{partial z}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}dfrac{partial u}{partial y}+dfrac{partial z}{partial v}dfrac{partial v}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}-dfrac{partial z}{partial v}$



    $therefore vleft(vdfrac{partial z}{partial u}+udfrac{partial z}{partial v}right)=4left(dfrac{partial z}{partial v}right)^2$






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    Hint:



    Let $begin{cases}u=x+y\v=x-yend{cases}$ ,



    Then $dfrac{partial z}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}dfrac{partial u}{partial x}+dfrac{partial z}{partial v}dfrac{partial v}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}+dfrac{partial z}{partial v}$



    $dfrac{partial z}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}dfrac{partial u}{partial y}+dfrac{partial z}{partial v}dfrac{partial v}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial u}-dfrac{partial z}{partial v}$



    $therefore vleft(vdfrac{partial z}{partial u}+udfrac{partial z}{partial v}right)=4left(dfrac{partial z}{partial v}right)^2$







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    Sir can you please elaborate a more.i am unable to solve the simplified pde
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    Sir can you please elaborate a more.i am unable to solve the simplified pde
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    Take $X$ and $Y$ to be new variables such that



    $$X=x+ytag1$$$$Y=xytag2$$



    Given that $(y-x)(qy-px)=(p-q)^2$



    Now, $$p=dfrac{partial z}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}dfrac{partial X}{partial x}+dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}dfrac{partial Y}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+ydfrac{partial z}{partial Y}tag3$$and
    $$q=dfrac{partial z}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}dfrac{partial X}{partial y}+dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}dfrac{partial Y}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+xdfrac{partial z}{partial Y}tag4$$



    Now plug in $p$ and $q$ in $(2)$ and we get
    $$(y-x)left[yleft(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+xdfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)-xleft(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+ydfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)right]=left[left(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+ydfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)-left(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+xdfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)right]^2$$or
    $$implies(y-x)^2dfrac{partial z}{partial X}=(y-x)^2left(dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)$$
    $$implies dfrac{partial z}{partial X}=left(dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)^2mbox{ or } p=q^2tag5$$
    where $p=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}$ and $q=dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}$



    $(4)$ is of the form $f(p,q)=0$



    So, $$z=aX+bY+ctag6$$



    where $a=b^2$, on putting $a$ for $p$ and $b$ for $q$ in $(5)$



    Therefore, from $(6)$, the required complete integral is $$z=b^2X+bY+c$$or$$z=b^2(x+y)+bxy+c mbox{ from }(6)$$






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      Take $X$ and $Y$ to be new variables such that



      $$X=x+ytag1$$$$Y=xytag2$$



      Given that $(y-x)(qy-px)=(p-q)^2$



      Now, $$p=dfrac{partial z}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}dfrac{partial X}{partial x}+dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}dfrac{partial Y}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+ydfrac{partial z}{partial Y}tag3$$and
      $$q=dfrac{partial z}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}dfrac{partial X}{partial y}+dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}dfrac{partial Y}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+xdfrac{partial z}{partial Y}tag4$$



      Now plug in $p$ and $q$ in $(2)$ and we get
      $$(y-x)left[yleft(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+xdfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)-xleft(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+ydfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)right]=left[left(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+ydfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)-left(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+xdfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)right]^2$$or
      $$implies(y-x)^2dfrac{partial z}{partial X}=(y-x)^2left(dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)$$
      $$implies dfrac{partial z}{partial X}=left(dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)^2mbox{ or } p=q^2tag5$$
      where $p=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}$ and $q=dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}$



      $(4)$ is of the form $f(p,q)=0$



      So, $$z=aX+bY+ctag6$$



      where $a=b^2$, on putting $a$ for $p$ and $b$ for $q$ in $(5)$



      Therefore, from $(6)$, the required complete integral is $$z=b^2X+bY+c$$or$$z=b^2(x+y)+bxy+c mbox{ from }(6)$$






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        Take $X$ and $Y$ to be new variables such that



        $$X=x+ytag1$$$$Y=xytag2$$



        Given that $(y-x)(qy-px)=(p-q)^2$



        Now, $$p=dfrac{partial z}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}dfrac{partial X}{partial x}+dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}dfrac{partial Y}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+ydfrac{partial z}{partial Y}tag3$$and
        $$q=dfrac{partial z}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}dfrac{partial X}{partial y}+dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}dfrac{partial Y}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+xdfrac{partial z}{partial Y}tag4$$



        Now plug in $p$ and $q$ in $(2)$ and we get
        $$(y-x)left[yleft(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+xdfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)-xleft(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+ydfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)right]=left[left(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+ydfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)-left(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+xdfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)right]^2$$or
        $$implies(y-x)^2dfrac{partial z}{partial X}=(y-x)^2left(dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)$$
        $$implies dfrac{partial z}{partial X}=left(dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)^2mbox{ or } p=q^2tag5$$
        where $p=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}$ and $q=dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}$



        $(4)$ is of the form $f(p,q)=0$



        So, $$z=aX+bY+ctag6$$



        where $a=b^2$, on putting $a$ for $p$ and $b$ for $q$ in $(5)$



        Therefore, from $(6)$, the required complete integral is $$z=b^2X+bY+c$$or$$z=b^2(x+y)+bxy+c mbox{ from }(6)$$






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        Take $X$ and $Y$ to be new variables such that



        $$X=x+ytag1$$$$Y=xytag2$$



        Given that $(y-x)(qy-px)=(p-q)^2$



        Now, $$p=dfrac{partial z}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}dfrac{partial X}{partial x}+dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}dfrac{partial Y}{partial x}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+ydfrac{partial z}{partial Y}tag3$$and
        $$q=dfrac{partial z}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}dfrac{partial X}{partial y}+dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}dfrac{partial Y}{partial y}=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+xdfrac{partial z}{partial Y}tag4$$



        Now plug in $p$ and $q$ in $(2)$ and we get
        $$(y-x)left[yleft(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+xdfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)-xleft(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+ydfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)right]=left[left(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+ydfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)-left(dfrac{partial z}{partial X}+xdfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)right]^2$$or
        $$implies(y-x)^2dfrac{partial z}{partial X}=(y-x)^2left(dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)$$
        $$implies dfrac{partial z}{partial X}=left(dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}right)^2mbox{ or } p=q^2tag5$$
        where $p=dfrac{partial z}{partial X}$ and $q=dfrac{partial z}{partial Y}$



        $(4)$ is of the form $f(p,q)=0$



        So, $$z=aX+bY+ctag6$$



        where $a=b^2$, on putting $a$ for $p$ and $b$ for $q$ in $(5)$



        Therefore, from $(6)$, the required complete integral is $$z=b^2X+bY+c$$or$$z=b^2(x+y)+bxy+c mbox{ from }(6)$$







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