Find $P[X<2Y]$ where $0<y<x<1$ [closed]












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$X$ and $Y$ are random variables with joint density function given below



$f{_X}{_Y}(x,y)$ = $8xy$, where $0 < y < x < 1$



I know I am supposed to draw a region and then find new limits of integration



Could any one find the limits of integration for this one?



This one seems rather tricky since y is dependent on x.










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    Where is your drawing of the domain of integration? Sorry but providing one would be more effective than invoking some rather mysterious "gaps in [your] knowledge"...
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    @Did please see my response to ImNotTheSaxMan's answer and see if you can clarify my misunderstanding. Thank you.
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    Dec 3 '18 at 15:07










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    Hmmm... I must have missed your drawing, where is it?
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    – Did
    Dec 3 '18 at 16:44










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    @Did hahah dude I used Wolfram alpha for the drawing and so pretty sure it was correct. I even used the right limits, just integrated the other way around i.e $dxdy$ which is why my answer was in terms of x i.e 2x^2−.5∗x^2. And I though this was incorrect since x can take values up to 1, and that may make my answer > 1. So tell me...what was it that I was doing wrong?
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    Still no drawing posted... Where is this going? You seem to insist on providing no personal input to the question. ("Dude".)
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    – Did
    Dec 3 '18 at 18:57
















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$begingroup$


$X$ and $Y$ are random variables with joint density function given below



$f{_X}{_Y}(x,y)$ = $8xy$, where $0 < y < x < 1$



I know I am supposed to draw a region and then find new limits of integration



Could any one find the limits of integration for this one?



This one seems rather tricky since y is dependent on x.










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    Where is your drawing of the domain of integration? Sorry but providing one would be more effective than invoking some rather mysterious "gaps in [your] knowledge"...
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    – Did
    Dec 3 '18 at 14:53












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    @Did please see my response to ImNotTheSaxMan's answer and see if you can clarify my misunderstanding. Thank you.
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    – OvermanZarathustra
    Dec 3 '18 at 15:07










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    Hmmm... I must have missed your drawing, where is it?
    $endgroup$
    – Did
    Dec 3 '18 at 16:44










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    @Did hahah dude I used Wolfram alpha for the drawing and so pretty sure it was correct. I even used the right limits, just integrated the other way around i.e $dxdy$ which is why my answer was in terms of x i.e 2x^2−.5∗x^2. And I though this was incorrect since x can take values up to 1, and that may make my answer > 1. So tell me...what was it that I was doing wrong?
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    – OvermanZarathustra
    Dec 3 '18 at 17:53










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    Still no drawing posted... Where is this going? You seem to insist on providing no personal input to the question. ("Dude".)
    $endgroup$
    – Did
    Dec 3 '18 at 18:57














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$begingroup$


$X$ and $Y$ are random variables with joint density function given below



$f{_X}{_Y}(x,y)$ = $8xy$, where $0 < y < x < 1$



I know I am supposed to draw a region and then find new limits of integration



Could any one find the limits of integration for this one?



This one seems rather tricky since y is dependent on x.










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$X$ and $Y$ are random variables with joint density function given below



$f{_X}{_Y}(x,y)$ = $8xy$, where $0 < y < x < 1$



I know I am supposed to draw a region and then find new limits of integration



Could any one find the limits of integration for this one?



This one seems rather tricky since y is dependent on x.







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  • $begingroup$
    Where is your drawing of the domain of integration? Sorry but providing one would be more effective than invoking some rather mysterious "gaps in [your] knowledge"...
    $endgroup$
    – Did
    Dec 3 '18 at 14:53












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    @Did please see my response to ImNotTheSaxMan's answer and see if you can clarify my misunderstanding. Thank you.
    $endgroup$
    – OvermanZarathustra
    Dec 3 '18 at 15:07










  • $begingroup$
    Hmmm... I must have missed your drawing, where is it?
    $endgroup$
    – Did
    Dec 3 '18 at 16:44










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    @Did hahah dude I used Wolfram alpha for the drawing and so pretty sure it was correct. I even used the right limits, just integrated the other way around i.e $dxdy$ which is why my answer was in terms of x i.e 2x^2−.5∗x^2. And I though this was incorrect since x can take values up to 1, and that may make my answer > 1. So tell me...what was it that I was doing wrong?
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    – OvermanZarathustra
    Dec 3 '18 at 17:53










  • $begingroup$
    Still no drawing posted... Where is this going? You seem to insist on providing no personal input to the question. ("Dude".)
    $endgroup$
    – Did
    Dec 3 '18 at 18:57


















  • $begingroup$
    Where is your drawing of the domain of integration? Sorry but providing one would be more effective than invoking some rather mysterious "gaps in [your] knowledge"...
    $endgroup$
    – Did
    Dec 3 '18 at 14:53












  • $begingroup$
    @Did please see my response to ImNotTheSaxMan's answer and see if you can clarify my misunderstanding. Thank you.
    $endgroup$
    – OvermanZarathustra
    Dec 3 '18 at 15:07










  • $begingroup$
    Hmmm... I must have missed your drawing, where is it?
    $endgroup$
    – Did
    Dec 3 '18 at 16:44










  • $begingroup$
    @Did hahah dude I used Wolfram alpha for the drawing and so pretty sure it was correct. I even used the right limits, just integrated the other way around i.e $dxdy$ which is why my answer was in terms of x i.e 2x^2−.5∗x^2. And I though this was incorrect since x can take values up to 1, and that may make my answer > 1. So tell me...what was it that I was doing wrong?
    $endgroup$
    – OvermanZarathustra
    Dec 3 '18 at 17:53










  • $begingroup$
    Still no drawing posted... Where is this going? You seem to insist on providing no personal input to the question. ("Dude".)
    $endgroup$
    – Did
    Dec 3 '18 at 18:57
















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Where is your drawing of the domain of integration? Sorry but providing one would be more effective than invoking some rather mysterious "gaps in [your] knowledge"...
$endgroup$
– Did
Dec 3 '18 at 14:53






$begingroup$
Where is your drawing of the domain of integration? Sorry but providing one would be more effective than invoking some rather mysterious "gaps in [your] knowledge"...
$endgroup$
– Did
Dec 3 '18 at 14:53














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@Did please see my response to ImNotTheSaxMan's answer and see if you can clarify my misunderstanding. Thank you.
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– OvermanZarathustra
Dec 3 '18 at 15:07




$begingroup$
@Did please see my response to ImNotTheSaxMan's answer and see if you can clarify my misunderstanding. Thank you.
$endgroup$
– OvermanZarathustra
Dec 3 '18 at 15:07












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Hmmm... I must have missed your drawing, where is it?
$endgroup$
– Did
Dec 3 '18 at 16:44




$begingroup$
Hmmm... I must have missed your drawing, where is it?
$endgroup$
– Did
Dec 3 '18 at 16:44












$begingroup$
@Did hahah dude I used Wolfram alpha for the drawing and so pretty sure it was correct. I even used the right limits, just integrated the other way around i.e $dxdy$ which is why my answer was in terms of x i.e 2x^2−.5∗x^2. And I though this was incorrect since x can take values up to 1, and that may make my answer > 1. So tell me...what was it that I was doing wrong?
$endgroup$
– OvermanZarathustra
Dec 3 '18 at 17:53




$begingroup$
@Did hahah dude I used Wolfram alpha for the drawing and so pretty sure it was correct. I even used the right limits, just integrated the other way around i.e $dxdy$ which is why my answer was in terms of x i.e 2x^2−.5∗x^2. And I though this was incorrect since x can take values up to 1, and that may make my answer > 1. So tell me...what was it that I was doing wrong?
$endgroup$
– OvermanZarathustra
Dec 3 '18 at 17:53












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Still no drawing posted... Where is this going? You seem to insist on providing no personal input to the question. ("Dude".)
$endgroup$
– Did
Dec 3 '18 at 18:57




$begingroup$
Still no drawing posted... Where is this going? You seem to insist on providing no personal input to the question. ("Dude".)
$endgroup$
– Did
Dec 3 '18 at 18:57










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So the entire region looks like a triangle contained within the unit square, and the integral over the whole region looks like the following:
$$
int_0^1int_0^x 8xy,dy,dx = 1
$$

We wish to calculate $P[X<2Y]$, which is the portion of the triangle above the line $y=x/2$. If I am not mistaken, this gives us the following integral:
$$
int_0^1int_{x/2}^x 8xy,dy,dx
$$






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    Thank you for your response. These are the limits I came up with but I integrated the other way around, which gave me the answer in terms of x i.e. $2x^2−.5∗x^2$ . would you say this correct? Since x can take values upto 1, won't this give a probability great than 1 (at times)?
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For the general problem of this kind you set up a double integral as follows. $$int_0^1int_0^x xy.dy.dx$$



Imagine a vertical strip of infinitesimal thickness $dx$ at some distance $x$ along the $x$-axis: you first integrate from $y=0$ to $y=r$, because the limit is the line $y=x$. The variable $x$ behaves as a constant in this integration, as you are integrating along a vertical strip along which $x$ is contant - at the value $x$. Because of this, the integral can be recast as $$int_0^1xint_0^x y.dy.dx .$$ Doing the inner integral first, you get $$int_0^1x.{x^2over2}.dx .$$ Now the integrand is a finction of $x$ alone, so you have $$int_0^1{x^3over2}.dx$$$$=$$$$left[{x^4over8}right]_0^1 = {1over8} .$$



I've just realised that your function had a factor of 8 in to begin with ... so the result here is 1.



This is a very pleasant double integral, in which you can use that trick of 'integrating-out' one of the variables first to get a function purely of the other, and then integrating with respect to that one. They aren't anywhere near so pleasant generally - mainly by reason of the region of integration not being a simple shape such as a triangle. Complexities of the function itself tend to be less of a problem ... as long as you do the inner integration over a region - in this case a vertical strip - over which the other variable is constant.



Actually, you could simplify this even more by noting that the integral is symmetrical in $x$ & $y$, whence you could have just put the limits [0,1] into both the inner and the outer integral, and halved it at the end. Tricks like that - and much more cunning ones - are often extremely efficacious in the solution of complicated double (or triple ... or higher-order, even) integrals.






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    So the entire region looks like a triangle contained within the unit square, and the integral over the whole region looks like the following:
    $$
    int_0^1int_0^x 8xy,dy,dx = 1
    $$

    We wish to calculate $P[X<2Y]$, which is the portion of the triangle above the line $y=x/2$. If I am not mistaken, this gives us the following integral:
    $$
    int_0^1int_{x/2}^x 8xy,dy,dx
    $$






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    • $begingroup$
      Thank you for your response. These are the limits I came up with but I integrated the other way around, which gave me the answer in terms of x i.e. $2x^2−.5∗x^2$ . would you say this correct? Since x can take values upto 1, won't this give a probability great than 1 (at times)?
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      – OvermanZarathustra
      Dec 3 '18 at 16:33
















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    $begingroup$

    So the entire region looks like a triangle contained within the unit square, and the integral over the whole region looks like the following:
    $$
    int_0^1int_0^x 8xy,dy,dx = 1
    $$

    We wish to calculate $P[X<2Y]$, which is the portion of the triangle above the line $y=x/2$. If I am not mistaken, this gives us the following integral:
    $$
    int_0^1int_{x/2}^x 8xy,dy,dx
    $$






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    • $begingroup$
      Thank you for your response. These are the limits I came up with but I integrated the other way around, which gave me the answer in terms of x i.e. $2x^2−.5∗x^2$ . would you say this correct? Since x can take values upto 1, won't this give a probability great than 1 (at times)?
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      – OvermanZarathustra
      Dec 3 '18 at 16:33














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    $begingroup$

    So the entire region looks like a triangle contained within the unit square, and the integral over the whole region looks like the following:
    $$
    int_0^1int_0^x 8xy,dy,dx = 1
    $$

    We wish to calculate $P[X<2Y]$, which is the portion of the triangle above the line $y=x/2$. If I am not mistaken, this gives us the following integral:
    $$
    int_0^1int_{x/2}^x 8xy,dy,dx
    $$






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    So the entire region looks like a triangle contained within the unit square, and the integral over the whole region looks like the following:
    $$
    int_0^1int_0^x 8xy,dy,dx = 1
    $$

    We wish to calculate $P[X<2Y]$, which is the portion of the triangle above the line $y=x/2$. If I am not mistaken, this gives us the following integral:
    $$
    int_0^1int_{x/2}^x 8xy,dy,dx
    $$







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    answered Dec 3 '18 at 14:25









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      Thank you for your response. These are the limits I came up with but I integrated the other way around, which gave me the answer in terms of x i.e. $2x^2−.5∗x^2$ . would you say this correct? Since x can take values upto 1, won't this give a probability great than 1 (at times)?
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      – OvermanZarathustra
      Dec 3 '18 at 16:33


















    • $begingroup$
      Thank you for your response. These are the limits I came up with but I integrated the other way around, which gave me the answer in terms of x i.e. $2x^2−.5∗x^2$ . would you say this correct? Since x can take values upto 1, won't this give a probability great than 1 (at times)?
      $endgroup$
      – OvermanZarathustra
      Dec 3 '18 at 16:33
















    $begingroup$
    Thank you for your response. These are the limits I came up with but I integrated the other way around, which gave me the answer in terms of x i.e. $2x^2−.5∗x^2$ . would you say this correct? Since x can take values upto 1, won't this give a probability great than 1 (at times)?
    $endgroup$
    – OvermanZarathustra
    Dec 3 '18 at 16:33




    $begingroup$
    Thank you for your response. These are the limits I came up with but I integrated the other way around, which gave me the answer in terms of x i.e. $2x^2−.5∗x^2$ . would you say this correct? Since x can take values upto 1, won't this give a probability great than 1 (at times)?
    $endgroup$
    – OvermanZarathustra
    Dec 3 '18 at 16:33











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    $begingroup$

    For the general problem of this kind you set up a double integral as follows. $$int_0^1int_0^x xy.dy.dx$$



    Imagine a vertical strip of infinitesimal thickness $dx$ at some distance $x$ along the $x$-axis: you first integrate from $y=0$ to $y=r$, because the limit is the line $y=x$. The variable $x$ behaves as a constant in this integration, as you are integrating along a vertical strip along which $x$ is contant - at the value $x$. Because of this, the integral can be recast as $$int_0^1xint_0^x y.dy.dx .$$ Doing the inner integral first, you get $$int_0^1x.{x^2over2}.dx .$$ Now the integrand is a finction of $x$ alone, so you have $$int_0^1{x^3over2}.dx$$$$=$$$$left[{x^4over8}right]_0^1 = {1over8} .$$



    I've just realised that your function had a factor of 8 in to begin with ... so the result here is 1.



    This is a very pleasant double integral, in which you can use that trick of 'integrating-out' one of the variables first to get a function purely of the other, and then integrating with respect to that one. They aren't anywhere near so pleasant generally - mainly by reason of the region of integration not being a simple shape such as a triangle. Complexities of the function itself tend to be less of a problem ... as long as you do the inner integration over a region - in this case a vertical strip - over which the other variable is constant.



    Actually, you could simplify this even more by noting that the integral is symmetrical in $x$ & $y$, whence you could have just put the limits [0,1] into both the inner and the outer integral, and halved it at the end. Tricks like that - and much more cunning ones - are often extremely efficacious in the solution of complicated double (or triple ... or higher-order, even) integrals.






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      For the general problem of this kind you set up a double integral as follows. $$int_0^1int_0^x xy.dy.dx$$



      Imagine a vertical strip of infinitesimal thickness $dx$ at some distance $x$ along the $x$-axis: you first integrate from $y=0$ to $y=r$, because the limit is the line $y=x$. The variable $x$ behaves as a constant in this integration, as you are integrating along a vertical strip along which $x$ is contant - at the value $x$. Because of this, the integral can be recast as $$int_0^1xint_0^x y.dy.dx .$$ Doing the inner integral first, you get $$int_0^1x.{x^2over2}.dx .$$ Now the integrand is a finction of $x$ alone, so you have $$int_0^1{x^3over2}.dx$$$$=$$$$left[{x^4over8}right]_0^1 = {1over8} .$$



      I've just realised that your function had a factor of 8 in to begin with ... so the result here is 1.



      This is a very pleasant double integral, in which you can use that trick of 'integrating-out' one of the variables first to get a function purely of the other, and then integrating with respect to that one. They aren't anywhere near so pleasant generally - mainly by reason of the region of integration not being a simple shape such as a triangle. Complexities of the function itself tend to be less of a problem ... as long as you do the inner integration over a region - in this case a vertical strip - over which the other variable is constant.



      Actually, you could simplify this even more by noting that the integral is symmetrical in $x$ & $y$, whence you could have just put the limits [0,1] into both the inner and the outer integral, and halved it at the end. Tricks like that - and much more cunning ones - are often extremely efficacious in the solution of complicated double (or triple ... or higher-order, even) integrals.






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        $begingroup$

        For the general problem of this kind you set up a double integral as follows. $$int_0^1int_0^x xy.dy.dx$$



        Imagine a vertical strip of infinitesimal thickness $dx$ at some distance $x$ along the $x$-axis: you first integrate from $y=0$ to $y=r$, because the limit is the line $y=x$. The variable $x$ behaves as a constant in this integration, as you are integrating along a vertical strip along which $x$ is contant - at the value $x$. Because of this, the integral can be recast as $$int_0^1xint_0^x y.dy.dx .$$ Doing the inner integral first, you get $$int_0^1x.{x^2over2}.dx .$$ Now the integrand is a finction of $x$ alone, so you have $$int_0^1{x^3over2}.dx$$$$=$$$$left[{x^4over8}right]_0^1 = {1over8} .$$



        I've just realised that your function had a factor of 8 in to begin with ... so the result here is 1.



        This is a very pleasant double integral, in which you can use that trick of 'integrating-out' one of the variables first to get a function purely of the other, and then integrating with respect to that one. They aren't anywhere near so pleasant generally - mainly by reason of the region of integration not being a simple shape such as a triangle. Complexities of the function itself tend to be less of a problem ... as long as you do the inner integration over a region - in this case a vertical strip - over which the other variable is constant.



        Actually, you could simplify this even more by noting that the integral is symmetrical in $x$ & $y$, whence you could have just put the limits [0,1] into both the inner and the outer integral, and halved it at the end. Tricks like that - and much more cunning ones - are often extremely efficacious in the solution of complicated double (or triple ... or higher-order, even) integrals.






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        For the general problem of this kind you set up a double integral as follows. $$int_0^1int_0^x xy.dy.dx$$



        Imagine a vertical strip of infinitesimal thickness $dx$ at some distance $x$ along the $x$-axis: you first integrate from $y=0$ to $y=r$, because the limit is the line $y=x$. The variable $x$ behaves as a constant in this integration, as you are integrating along a vertical strip along which $x$ is contant - at the value $x$. Because of this, the integral can be recast as $$int_0^1xint_0^x y.dy.dx .$$ Doing the inner integral first, you get $$int_0^1x.{x^2over2}.dx .$$ Now the integrand is a finction of $x$ alone, so you have $$int_0^1{x^3over2}.dx$$$$=$$$$left[{x^4over8}right]_0^1 = {1over8} .$$



        I've just realised that your function had a factor of 8 in to begin with ... so the result here is 1.



        This is a very pleasant double integral, in which you can use that trick of 'integrating-out' one of the variables first to get a function purely of the other, and then integrating with respect to that one. They aren't anywhere near so pleasant generally - mainly by reason of the region of integration not being a simple shape such as a triangle. Complexities of the function itself tend to be less of a problem ... as long as you do the inner integration over a region - in this case a vertical strip - over which the other variable is constant.



        Actually, you could simplify this even more by noting that the integral is symmetrical in $x$ & $y$, whence you could have just put the limits [0,1] into both the inner and the outer integral, and halved it at the end. Tricks like that - and much more cunning ones - are often extremely efficacious in the solution of complicated double (or triple ... or higher-order, even) integrals.







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