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We have a parallelogram namely $ABCD$. Then we draw a line from the vertex $A$ to:
1- Cross a point (namely $E$)on the side $BC$.
2- Cross a point (namely $F$) along the side DC.
Now we must prove and show that here $BE×DF$ has a fixed and changeless amount if the line $AF$ cuts any other points as $E$ and $F$
I mean that we must prove that $BE×DF$ never changes, even if $E$ and $F$ be different.
I think it's better to take a look here at this picture:
MY DRAWING



What I obtained was:
1- $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
2- $$ frac{AB}{CF}= frac{BE}{EC}= frac{AE}{EF}$$
3- Thales's theorem works for $triangle AFD$



4- $$ frac{CE}{AD}= frac{FE}{FA}= frac{FC}{FD}$$



Then we obtain that :
$$BE=frac{AB×EC}{CF}=frac{AE×EC}{EF}$$
$$DF=frac{FD×EC}{AD}=frac{AF×FC}{EF}$$
So any ideas to prove:
$$BE×DF=x$$ and $x$ is changeless?
Note:C AND D MUST BE SWAPPED.










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  • @greedoid oh sorry i uploaded the pic but it was't in details. I will upload it now.
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:37










  • Your diagram is mislabeled. I think the points $C,D$ need to be swapped.
    – quasi
    Nov 14 at 20:11















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We have a parallelogram namely $ABCD$. Then we draw a line from the vertex $A$ to:
1- Cross a point (namely $E$)on the side $BC$.
2- Cross a point (namely $F$) along the side DC.
Now we must prove and show that here $BE×DF$ has a fixed and changeless amount if the line $AF$ cuts any other points as $E$ and $F$
I mean that we must prove that $BE×DF$ never changes, even if $E$ and $F$ be different.
I think it's better to take a look here at this picture:
MY DRAWING



What I obtained was:
1- $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
2- $$ frac{AB}{CF}= frac{BE}{EC}= frac{AE}{EF}$$
3- Thales's theorem works for $triangle AFD$



4- $$ frac{CE}{AD}= frac{FE}{FA}= frac{FC}{FD}$$



Then we obtain that :
$$BE=frac{AB×EC}{CF}=frac{AE×EC}{EF}$$
$$DF=frac{FD×EC}{AD}=frac{AF×FC}{EF}$$
So any ideas to prove:
$$BE×DF=x$$ and $x$ is changeless?
Note:C AND D MUST BE SWAPPED.










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  • @greedoid oh sorry i uploaded the pic but it was't in details. I will upload it now.
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:37










  • Your diagram is mislabeled. I think the points $C,D$ need to be swapped.
    – quasi
    Nov 14 at 20:11













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We have a parallelogram namely $ABCD$. Then we draw a line from the vertex $A$ to:
1- Cross a point (namely $E$)on the side $BC$.
2- Cross a point (namely $F$) along the side DC.
Now we must prove and show that here $BE×DF$ has a fixed and changeless amount if the line $AF$ cuts any other points as $E$ and $F$
I mean that we must prove that $BE×DF$ never changes, even if $E$ and $F$ be different.
I think it's better to take a look here at this picture:
MY DRAWING



What I obtained was:
1- $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
2- $$ frac{AB}{CF}= frac{BE}{EC}= frac{AE}{EF}$$
3- Thales's theorem works for $triangle AFD$



4- $$ frac{CE}{AD}= frac{FE}{FA}= frac{FC}{FD}$$



Then we obtain that :
$$BE=frac{AB×EC}{CF}=frac{AE×EC}{EF}$$
$$DF=frac{FD×EC}{AD}=frac{AF×FC}{EF}$$
So any ideas to prove:
$$BE×DF=x$$ and $x$ is changeless?
Note:C AND D MUST BE SWAPPED.










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We have a parallelogram namely $ABCD$. Then we draw a line from the vertex $A$ to:
1- Cross a point (namely $E$)on the side $BC$.
2- Cross a point (namely $F$) along the side DC.
Now we must prove and show that here $BE×DF$ has a fixed and changeless amount if the line $AF$ cuts any other points as $E$ and $F$
I mean that we must prove that $BE×DF$ never changes, even if $E$ and $F$ be different.
I think it's better to take a look here at this picture:
MY DRAWING



What I obtained was:
1- $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
2- $$ frac{AB}{CF}= frac{BE}{EC}= frac{AE}{EF}$$
3- Thales's theorem works for $triangle AFD$



4- $$ frac{CE}{AD}= frac{FE}{FA}= frac{FC}{FD}$$



Then we obtain that :
$$BE=frac{AB×EC}{CF}=frac{AE×EC}{EF}$$
$$DF=frac{FD×EC}{AD}=frac{AF×FC}{EF}$$
So any ideas to prove:
$$BE×DF=x$$ and $x$ is changeless?
Note:C AND D MUST BE SWAPPED.







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  • @greedoid oh sorry i uploaded the pic but it was't in details. I will upload it now.
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:37










  • Your diagram is mislabeled. I think the points $C,D$ need to be swapped.
    – quasi
    Nov 14 at 20:11


















  • @greedoid oh sorry i uploaded the pic but it was't in details. I will upload it now.
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:37










  • Your diagram is mislabeled. I think the points $C,D$ need to be swapped.
    – quasi
    Nov 14 at 20:11
















@greedoid oh sorry i uploaded the pic but it was't in details. I will upload it now.
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:37




@greedoid oh sorry i uploaded the pic but it was't in details. I will upload it now.
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:37












Your diagram is mislabeled. I think the points $C,D$ need to be swapped.
– quasi
Nov 14 at 20:11




Your diagram is mislabeled. I think the points $C,D$ need to be swapped.
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Nov 14 at 20:11










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Your original diagram had the points $C,D$ (perhaps accidentally) swapped.



Swapping them back,



enter image description here



we can argue as follows . . .



Let $x=AB,;y=BC,;$and let $t={large{frac{BE}{BC}}}$.



Thus, we have $BE=ty$, and $CE=(1-t)y$.



Since triangles $ABE$ and $FCE$ are similar, we get
$$CF=ABleft({small{frac{CE}{BE}}}right)=xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)$$
so
$$DF=x+CF=x+xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)=frac{x}{t}$$
hence
$$(BE)(DF)=(ty)left(frac{x}{t}right)=xy$$
which is constant.






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  • Oh I know thay but if we say $$BEneq0$$
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:44










  • See my revised answer based on the corrected version of the diagram.
    – quasi
    Nov 14 at 20:32










  • Thanks a lottttttt @quasi ! I don't know how I can really thank you!.... yes I swapped C and D wrongly! But it is really a complete anwer!
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 21:43


















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This is not true: $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
so your work is not correct.






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  • but we can prove that! Look $AB$ and $CF$ are parallel and $BC$ and $AF$ are cornerways! @greedoid
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:49












  • would you explain why?
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:52










  • @greedois So if we prove that 4 angles are equal two by two then we say that $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$ and i think that $$A and F$$ and $$B and C$$ and $$BEA and CEF$$ are equal degrees! Aren't they?
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:59










  • I measured them using a protractor and they were!
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 20:02










  • Can you prove your idea mathematically? I think they are!
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 20:03











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Your original diagram had the points $C,D$ (perhaps accidentally) swapped.



Swapping them back,



enter image description here



we can argue as follows . . .



Let $x=AB,;y=BC,;$and let $t={large{frac{BE}{BC}}}$.



Thus, we have $BE=ty$, and $CE=(1-t)y$.



Since triangles $ABE$ and $FCE$ are similar, we get
$$CF=ABleft({small{frac{CE}{BE}}}right)=xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)$$
so
$$DF=x+CF=x+xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)=frac{x}{t}$$
hence
$$(BE)(DF)=(ty)left(frac{x}{t}right)=xy$$
which is constant.






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  • Oh I know thay but if we say $$BEneq0$$
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:44










  • See my revised answer based on the corrected version of the diagram.
    – quasi
    Nov 14 at 20:32










  • Thanks a lottttttt @quasi ! I don't know how I can really thank you!.... yes I swapped C and D wrongly! But it is really a complete anwer!
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 21:43















up vote
1
down vote



accepted










Your original diagram had the points $C,D$ (perhaps accidentally) swapped.



Swapping them back,



enter image description here



we can argue as follows . . .



Let $x=AB,;y=BC,;$and let $t={large{frac{BE}{BC}}}$.



Thus, we have $BE=ty$, and $CE=(1-t)y$.



Since triangles $ABE$ and $FCE$ are similar, we get
$$CF=ABleft({small{frac{CE}{BE}}}right)=xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)$$
so
$$DF=x+CF=x+xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)=frac{x}{t}$$
hence
$$(BE)(DF)=(ty)left(frac{x}{t}right)=xy$$
which is constant.






share|cite|improve this answer























  • Oh I know thay but if we say $$BEneq0$$
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:44










  • See my revised answer based on the corrected version of the diagram.
    – quasi
    Nov 14 at 20:32










  • Thanks a lottttttt @quasi ! I don't know how I can really thank you!.... yes I swapped C and D wrongly! But it is really a complete anwer!
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 21:43













up vote
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up vote
1
down vote



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Your original diagram had the points $C,D$ (perhaps accidentally) swapped.



Swapping them back,



enter image description here



we can argue as follows . . .



Let $x=AB,;y=BC,;$and let $t={large{frac{BE}{BC}}}$.



Thus, we have $BE=ty$, and $CE=(1-t)y$.



Since triangles $ABE$ and $FCE$ are similar, we get
$$CF=ABleft({small{frac{CE}{BE}}}right)=xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)$$
so
$$DF=x+CF=x+xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)=frac{x}{t}$$
hence
$$(BE)(DF)=(ty)left(frac{x}{t}right)=xy$$
which is constant.






share|cite|improve this answer














Your original diagram had the points $C,D$ (perhaps accidentally) swapped.



Swapping them back,



enter image description here



we can argue as follows . . .



Let $x=AB,;y=BC,;$and let $t={large{frac{BE}{BC}}}$.



Thus, we have $BE=ty$, and $CE=(1-t)y$.



Since triangles $ABE$ and $FCE$ are similar, we get
$$CF=ABleft({small{frac{CE}{BE}}}right)=xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)$$
so
$$DF=x+CF=x+xleft(frac{1-t}{t}right)=frac{x}{t}$$
hence
$$(BE)(DF)=(ty)left(frac{x}{t}right)=xy$$
which is constant.







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  • Oh I know thay but if we say $$BEneq0$$
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:44










  • See my revised answer based on the corrected version of the diagram.
    – quasi
    Nov 14 at 20:32










  • Thanks a lottttttt @quasi ! I don't know how I can really thank you!.... yes I swapped C and D wrongly! But it is really a complete anwer!
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 21:43


















  • Oh I know thay but if we say $$BEneq0$$
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:44










  • See my revised answer based on the corrected version of the diagram.
    – quasi
    Nov 14 at 20:32










  • Thanks a lottttttt @quasi ! I don't know how I can really thank you!.... yes I swapped C and D wrongly! But it is really a complete anwer!
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 21:43
















Oh I know thay but if we say $$BEneq0$$
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:44




Oh I know thay but if we say $$BEneq0$$
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:44












See my revised answer based on the corrected version of the diagram.
– quasi
Nov 14 at 20:32




See my revised answer based on the corrected version of the diagram.
– quasi
Nov 14 at 20:32












Thanks a lottttttt @quasi ! I don't know how I can really thank you!.... yes I swapped C and D wrongly! But it is really a complete anwer!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 21:43




Thanks a lottttttt @quasi ! I don't know how I can really thank you!.... yes I swapped C and D wrongly! But it is really a complete anwer!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 21:43










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This is not true: $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
so your work is not correct.






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  • but we can prove that! Look $AB$ and $CF$ are parallel and $BC$ and $AF$ are cornerways! @greedoid
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:49












  • would you explain why?
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:52










  • @greedois So if we prove that 4 angles are equal two by two then we say that $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$ and i think that $$A and F$$ and $$B and C$$ and $$BEA and CEF$$ are equal degrees! Aren't they?
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:59










  • I measured them using a protractor and they were!
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 20:02










  • Can you prove your idea mathematically? I think they are!
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 20:03















up vote
0
down vote













This is not true: $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
so your work is not correct.






share|cite|improve this answer





















  • but we can prove that! Look $AB$ and $CF$ are parallel and $BC$ and $AF$ are cornerways! @greedoid
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:49












  • would you explain why?
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:52










  • @greedois So if we prove that 4 angles are equal two by two then we say that $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$ and i think that $$A and F$$ and $$B and C$$ and $$BEA and CEF$$ are equal degrees! Aren't they?
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:59










  • I measured them using a protractor and they were!
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 20:02










  • Can you prove your idea mathematically? I think they are!
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 20:03













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This is not true: $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
so your work is not correct.






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This is not true: $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$
so your work is not correct.







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  • but we can prove that! Look $AB$ and $CF$ are parallel and $BC$ and $AF$ are cornerways! @greedoid
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:49












  • would you explain why?
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:52










  • @greedois So if we prove that 4 angles are equal two by two then we say that $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$ and i think that $$A and F$$ and $$B and C$$ and $$BEA and CEF$$ are equal degrees! Aren't they?
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:59










  • I measured them using a protractor and they were!
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 20:02










  • Can you prove your idea mathematically? I think they are!
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 20:03


















  • but we can prove that! Look $AB$ and $CF$ are parallel and $BC$ and $AF$ are cornerways! @greedoid
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:49












  • would you explain why?
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:52










  • @greedois So if we prove that 4 angles are equal two by two then we say that $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$ and i think that $$A and F$$ and $$B and C$$ and $$BEA and CEF$$ are equal degrees! Aren't they?
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 19:59










  • I measured them using a protractor and they were!
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 20:02










  • Can you prove your idea mathematically? I think they are!
    – user602338
    Nov 14 at 20:03
















but we can prove that! Look $AB$ and $CF$ are parallel and $BC$ and $AF$ are cornerways! @greedoid
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:49






but we can prove that! Look $AB$ and $CF$ are parallel and $BC$ and $AF$ are cornerways! @greedoid
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:49














would you explain why?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:52




would you explain why?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:52












@greedois So if we prove that 4 angles are equal two by two then we say that $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$ and i think that $$A and F$$ and $$B and C$$ and $$BEA and CEF$$ are equal degrees! Aren't they?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:59




@greedois So if we prove that 4 angles are equal two by two then we say that $$ triangle ABE thicksim triangle CEF $$ and i think that $$A and F$$ and $$B and C$$ and $$BEA and CEF$$ are equal degrees! Aren't they?
– user602338
Nov 14 at 19:59












I measured them using a protractor and they were!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:02




I measured them using a protractor and they were!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:02












Can you prove your idea mathematically? I think they are!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:03




Can you prove your idea mathematically? I think they are!
– user602338
Nov 14 at 20:03


















 

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