Heavy battery drain in Ubuntu 18.04+Dell 7577 (Preinstalled OS=Windows 10)





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I have a Dell 7577 bought 2 months back with Windows 10 pre-installed (i7-7th gen + GTX 1060 6GB Max-Q). I dual-booted Ubuntu alongside Win 10.



I am using Dell power manager in Win 10 in an effort to optimize battery life.



My laptop is plugged in most of the time. Once in around 10 days I allow my battery to discharge and charge again to 85%.



Here's the difference indicating the issue:





In Win 10







  • Dell Power Manager Rule: Charge the battery upto 85% and then re-route the power directly to the System. Start charging again when
    power falls to 55% (which may take several days)

  • I hardly heard the fans and the system used to stay pretty cool. I
    never felt any warmth near my palm rest.


  • Usage: Casual browsing and movies. I don't game currently but I ran a couple games for test. I can hear the fans only when the game
    is on but still never felt warm near the palm rest.


  • The battery gives me 3-4 hours (without game)




In Ubuntu






  • Is there any Ubuntu/Linux tool like Dell Power Manager?.

  • Even though I am casually browsing, the fans kick in like the engine
    of a racing car revving or an airliner is about to take off. It gets
    noticeably warm near the palm rest
    and the fans don't turn off they
    stay at a speed where I hear them loud enough working hard to keep it cool


  • Usage: Not started coding yet. Just casual browsing, installing a few things like eclipse, anaconda etc. I'll be using Ubuntu mostly
    for Coding


  • Currently the battery gives me only 40 minutes or so.


Explain me if its an expected behaviour or suggest a solution to optimize battery life, thermals and hardware life w.r.t Ubuntu.



Thanks --Jay










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    I have a Dell 7577 bought 2 months back with Windows 10 pre-installed (i7-7th gen + GTX 1060 6GB Max-Q). I dual-booted Ubuntu alongside Win 10.



    I am using Dell power manager in Win 10 in an effort to optimize battery life.



    My laptop is plugged in most of the time. Once in around 10 days I allow my battery to discharge and charge again to 85%.



    Here's the difference indicating the issue:





    In Win 10







    • Dell Power Manager Rule: Charge the battery upto 85% and then re-route the power directly to the System. Start charging again when
      power falls to 55% (which may take several days)

    • I hardly heard the fans and the system used to stay pretty cool. I
      never felt any warmth near my palm rest.


    • Usage: Casual browsing and movies. I don't game currently but I ran a couple games for test. I can hear the fans only when the game
      is on but still never felt warm near the palm rest.


    • The battery gives me 3-4 hours (without game)




    In Ubuntu






    • Is there any Ubuntu/Linux tool like Dell Power Manager?.

    • Even though I am casually browsing, the fans kick in like the engine
      of a racing car revving or an airliner is about to take off. It gets
      noticeably warm near the palm rest
      and the fans don't turn off they
      stay at a speed where I hear them loud enough working hard to keep it cool


    • Usage: Not started coding yet. Just casual browsing, installing a few things like eclipse, anaconda etc. I'll be using Ubuntu mostly
      for Coding


    • Currently the battery gives me only 40 minutes or so.


    Explain me if its an expected behaviour or suggest a solution to optimize battery life, thermals and hardware life w.r.t Ubuntu.



    Thanks --Jay










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      I have a Dell 7577 bought 2 months back with Windows 10 pre-installed (i7-7th gen + GTX 1060 6GB Max-Q). I dual-booted Ubuntu alongside Win 10.



      I am using Dell power manager in Win 10 in an effort to optimize battery life.



      My laptop is plugged in most of the time. Once in around 10 days I allow my battery to discharge and charge again to 85%.



      Here's the difference indicating the issue:





      In Win 10







      • Dell Power Manager Rule: Charge the battery upto 85% and then re-route the power directly to the System. Start charging again when
        power falls to 55% (which may take several days)

      • I hardly heard the fans and the system used to stay pretty cool. I
        never felt any warmth near my palm rest.


      • Usage: Casual browsing and movies. I don't game currently but I ran a couple games for test. I can hear the fans only when the game
        is on but still never felt warm near the palm rest.


      • The battery gives me 3-4 hours (without game)




      In Ubuntu






      • Is there any Ubuntu/Linux tool like Dell Power Manager?.

      • Even though I am casually browsing, the fans kick in like the engine
        of a racing car revving or an airliner is about to take off. It gets
        noticeably warm near the palm rest
        and the fans don't turn off they
        stay at a speed where I hear them loud enough working hard to keep it cool


      • Usage: Not started coding yet. Just casual browsing, installing a few things like eclipse, anaconda etc. I'll be using Ubuntu mostly
        for Coding


      • Currently the battery gives me only 40 minutes or so.


      Explain me if its an expected behaviour or suggest a solution to optimize battery life, thermals and hardware life w.r.t Ubuntu.



      Thanks --Jay










      share|improve this question














      I have a Dell 7577 bought 2 months back with Windows 10 pre-installed (i7-7th gen + GTX 1060 6GB Max-Q). I dual-booted Ubuntu alongside Win 10.



      I am using Dell power manager in Win 10 in an effort to optimize battery life.



      My laptop is plugged in most of the time. Once in around 10 days I allow my battery to discharge and charge again to 85%.



      Here's the difference indicating the issue:





      In Win 10







      • Dell Power Manager Rule: Charge the battery upto 85% and then re-route the power directly to the System. Start charging again when
        power falls to 55% (which may take several days)

      • I hardly heard the fans and the system used to stay pretty cool. I
        never felt any warmth near my palm rest.


      • Usage: Casual browsing and movies. I don't game currently but I ran a couple games for test. I can hear the fans only when the game
        is on but still never felt warm near the palm rest.


      • The battery gives me 3-4 hours (without game)




      In Ubuntu






      • Is there any Ubuntu/Linux tool like Dell Power Manager?.

      • Even though I am casually browsing, the fans kick in like the engine
        of a racing car revving or an airliner is about to take off. It gets
        noticeably warm near the palm rest
        and the fans don't turn off they
        stay at a speed where I hear them loud enough working hard to keep it cool


      • Usage: Not started coding yet. Just casual browsing, installing a few things like eclipse, anaconda etc. I'll be using Ubuntu mostly
        for Coding


      • Currently the battery gives me only 40 minutes or so.


      Explain me if its an expected behaviour or suggest a solution to optimize battery life, thermals and hardware life w.r.t Ubuntu.



      Thanks --Jay







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          After reading a few articles on the internet and trying a few things out, I guess the issue was somehow the CPU cores were kept at higher frequencies even if it didn't have much work to do. As a result the CPU used to get hot and fans kicked in harder to cool them down.



          Solution is frequency scaling.



          You may also undervolt (Watch a few good tutorials first though. You may use TLP or Intel Xtreme Tuning Utility (XTU). I haven't done this step.)



          Some basics concepts of processor power management can be found in below links



          Intel Docs P States



          Intel Docs C States



          Intel Docs More on Power Management



          Apart from this some things seriously eating juice are:
          Screen Brightness,
          Wifi,
          Bluetooth



          A few simple things worked.




          1. Check if you have all correct drivers installed.



          2. Install CPUFreq Indicator
            CPUFREQ is a quite helpful indicator applet that you lets you control your system’s CPU speed. In Ubuntu 18.04 it has 2 options: Performance and Powersave. You can select via the option on top right corner of screen.



            sudo apt-get install indicator-cpufreq




          NOTE: No need to install CPUFreq separately if you're going to use TLP




          1. Install PowerTop


          sudo apt-get install powertop



          and run it a few times (ON BATTERY) to calibrate (It will tell you on screen how many readings you need). These readings are PowerTop checks how much power is used for various things like screen brightness, using 1 core, using all cores, using wifi etc (correct me if I am wrong) and gives you a set of readings which you may inspect as to what is eating up juice. In Tunables, “Bad” indicates a setting that’s not saving power, although it might be good for performance. “Good” indicates a power saving setting is in effect. You may let it auto tune



          sudo powertop --auto-tune


          NOTE: Don't use autotune if you have TLP also as attempting to apply powertop's --auto-tune settings on each boot will conflict with TLP



          Read here: FAQs on using Powertop with TLP in TLP documentation




          1. Install TLP
            TLP can cover the functionalities of both the tools mentioned above in terms of actually managing power settings. It lets you do a lot of things with power management in true sense. There is a big settings file in which you can keep power settings the way you want (e.g. what devices to turn on after boot, turn wifi off if disconnected etc), save it and then start the TLP service.


          you can simply type sudo apt-get install tlp OR read the documentation which covers everything in more detail.



          TLP Documentation



          TLP Power settings and configurations documentation



          TLP FAQs




          1. Keep screen brightness lowest possible yet visible. Keep bluetooth and Wifi Off unless needed. Connect an ethernet wire if need be. See what processes are running in background on startup. Disable unnecessary processes.


          2. To set battery threshold levels like in Windows, the thing is whatever is set in Windows using Dell Power manager is also respected in Linux. I didnt explicitly find any tool for that in Ubuntu. However, there is something called Dell Command | Configure which gives you a client configuration toolkit (cctk) with such options. Refer the link below. I installed it and tried to run it but it said it cannot read settings from my BIOS. So didn't work for me but may work for you.



          Dell Command Configure



          Installation and document links are given in the above article




          1. For nVidia Graphic card, first install drivers via Software and Updates GUI then go to nVidia X server settings application and in PRIME profiles switch to Intel Graphic card if you dont need nVidia when on battery or doing normal stuff like browsing.


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            After reading a few articles on the internet and trying a few things out, I guess the issue was somehow the CPU cores were kept at higher frequencies even if it didn't have much work to do. As a result the CPU used to get hot and fans kicked in harder to cool them down.



            Solution is frequency scaling.



            You may also undervolt (Watch a few good tutorials first though. You may use TLP or Intel Xtreme Tuning Utility (XTU). I haven't done this step.)



            Some basics concepts of processor power management can be found in below links



            Intel Docs P States



            Intel Docs C States



            Intel Docs More on Power Management



            Apart from this some things seriously eating juice are:
            Screen Brightness,
            Wifi,
            Bluetooth



            A few simple things worked.




            1. Check if you have all correct drivers installed.



            2. Install CPUFreq Indicator
              CPUFREQ is a quite helpful indicator applet that you lets you control your system’s CPU speed. In Ubuntu 18.04 it has 2 options: Performance and Powersave. You can select via the option on top right corner of screen.



              sudo apt-get install indicator-cpufreq




            NOTE: No need to install CPUFreq separately if you're going to use TLP




            1. Install PowerTop


            sudo apt-get install powertop



            and run it a few times (ON BATTERY) to calibrate (It will tell you on screen how many readings you need). These readings are PowerTop checks how much power is used for various things like screen brightness, using 1 core, using all cores, using wifi etc (correct me if I am wrong) and gives you a set of readings which you may inspect as to what is eating up juice. In Tunables, “Bad” indicates a setting that’s not saving power, although it might be good for performance. “Good” indicates a power saving setting is in effect. You may let it auto tune



            sudo powertop --auto-tune


            NOTE: Don't use autotune if you have TLP also as attempting to apply powertop's --auto-tune settings on each boot will conflict with TLP



            Read here: FAQs on using Powertop with TLP in TLP documentation




            1. Install TLP
              TLP can cover the functionalities of both the tools mentioned above in terms of actually managing power settings. It lets you do a lot of things with power management in true sense. There is a big settings file in which you can keep power settings the way you want (e.g. what devices to turn on after boot, turn wifi off if disconnected etc), save it and then start the TLP service.


            you can simply type sudo apt-get install tlp OR read the documentation which covers everything in more detail.



            TLP Documentation



            TLP Power settings and configurations documentation



            TLP FAQs




            1. Keep screen brightness lowest possible yet visible. Keep bluetooth and Wifi Off unless needed. Connect an ethernet wire if need be. See what processes are running in background on startup. Disable unnecessary processes.


            2. To set battery threshold levels like in Windows, the thing is whatever is set in Windows using Dell Power manager is also respected in Linux. I didnt explicitly find any tool for that in Ubuntu. However, there is something called Dell Command | Configure which gives you a client configuration toolkit (cctk) with such options. Refer the link below. I installed it and tried to run it but it said it cannot read settings from my BIOS. So didn't work for me but may work for you.



            Dell Command Configure



            Installation and document links are given in the above article




            1. For nVidia Graphic card, first install drivers via Software and Updates GUI then go to nVidia X server settings application and in PRIME profiles switch to Intel Graphic card if you dont need nVidia when on battery or doing normal stuff like browsing.


            Experts can correct me if anything is inappropriate above






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              After reading a few articles on the internet and trying a few things out, I guess the issue was somehow the CPU cores were kept at higher frequencies even if it didn't have much work to do. As a result the CPU used to get hot and fans kicked in harder to cool them down.



              Solution is frequency scaling.



              You may also undervolt (Watch a few good tutorials first though. You may use TLP or Intel Xtreme Tuning Utility (XTU). I haven't done this step.)



              Some basics concepts of processor power management can be found in below links



              Intel Docs P States



              Intel Docs C States



              Intel Docs More on Power Management



              Apart from this some things seriously eating juice are:
              Screen Brightness,
              Wifi,
              Bluetooth



              A few simple things worked.




              1. Check if you have all correct drivers installed.



              2. Install CPUFreq Indicator
                CPUFREQ is a quite helpful indicator applet that you lets you control your system’s CPU speed. In Ubuntu 18.04 it has 2 options: Performance and Powersave. You can select via the option on top right corner of screen.



                sudo apt-get install indicator-cpufreq




              NOTE: No need to install CPUFreq separately if you're going to use TLP




              1. Install PowerTop


              sudo apt-get install powertop



              and run it a few times (ON BATTERY) to calibrate (It will tell you on screen how many readings you need). These readings are PowerTop checks how much power is used for various things like screen brightness, using 1 core, using all cores, using wifi etc (correct me if I am wrong) and gives you a set of readings which you may inspect as to what is eating up juice. In Tunables, “Bad” indicates a setting that’s not saving power, although it might be good for performance. “Good” indicates a power saving setting is in effect. You may let it auto tune



              sudo powertop --auto-tune


              NOTE: Don't use autotune if you have TLP also as attempting to apply powertop's --auto-tune settings on each boot will conflict with TLP



              Read here: FAQs on using Powertop with TLP in TLP documentation




              1. Install TLP
                TLP can cover the functionalities of both the tools mentioned above in terms of actually managing power settings. It lets you do a lot of things with power management in true sense. There is a big settings file in which you can keep power settings the way you want (e.g. what devices to turn on after boot, turn wifi off if disconnected etc), save it and then start the TLP service.


              you can simply type sudo apt-get install tlp OR read the documentation which covers everything in more detail.



              TLP Documentation



              TLP Power settings and configurations documentation



              TLP FAQs




              1. Keep screen brightness lowest possible yet visible. Keep bluetooth and Wifi Off unless needed. Connect an ethernet wire if need be. See what processes are running in background on startup. Disable unnecessary processes.


              2. To set battery threshold levels like in Windows, the thing is whatever is set in Windows using Dell Power manager is also respected in Linux. I didnt explicitly find any tool for that in Ubuntu. However, there is something called Dell Command | Configure which gives you a client configuration toolkit (cctk) with such options. Refer the link below. I installed it and tried to run it but it said it cannot read settings from my BIOS. So didn't work for me but may work for you.



              Dell Command Configure



              Installation and document links are given in the above article




              1. For nVidia Graphic card, first install drivers via Software and Updates GUI then go to nVidia X server settings application and in PRIME profiles switch to Intel Graphic card if you dont need nVidia when on battery or doing normal stuff like browsing.


              Experts can correct me if anything is inappropriate above






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                After reading a few articles on the internet and trying a few things out, I guess the issue was somehow the CPU cores were kept at higher frequencies even if it didn't have much work to do. As a result the CPU used to get hot and fans kicked in harder to cool them down.



                Solution is frequency scaling.



                You may also undervolt (Watch a few good tutorials first though. You may use TLP or Intel Xtreme Tuning Utility (XTU). I haven't done this step.)



                Some basics concepts of processor power management can be found in below links



                Intel Docs P States



                Intel Docs C States



                Intel Docs More on Power Management



                Apart from this some things seriously eating juice are:
                Screen Brightness,
                Wifi,
                Bluetooth



                A few simple things worked.




                1. Check if you have all correct drivers installed.



                2. Install CPUFreq Indicator
                  CPUFREQ is a quite helpful indicator applet that you lets you control your system’s CPU speed. In Ubuntu 18.04 it has 2 options: Performance and Powersave. You can select via the option on top right corner of screen.



                  sudo apt-get install indicator-cpufreq




                NOTE: No need to install CPUFreq separately if you're going to use TLP




                1. Install PowerTop


                sudo apt-get install powertop



                and run it a few times (ON BATTERY) to calibrate (It will tell you on screen how many readings you need). These readings are PowerTop checks how much power is used for various things like screen brightness, using 1 core, using all cores, using wifi etc (correct me if I am wrong) and gives you a set of readings which you may inspect as to what is eating up juice. In Tunables, “Bad” indicates a setting that’s not saving power, although it might be good for performance. “Good” indicates a power saving setting is in effect. You may let it auto tune



                sudo powertop --auto-tune


                NOTE: Don't use autotune if you have TLP also as attempting to apply powertop's --auto-tune settings on each boot will conflict with TLP



                Read here: FAQs on using Powertop with TLP in TLP documentation




                1. Install TLP
                  TLP can cover the functionalities of both the tools mentioned above in terms of actually managing power settings. It lets you do a lot of things with power management in true sense. There is a big settings file in which you can keep power settings the way you want (e.g. what devices to turn on after boot, turn wifi off if disconnected etc), save it and then start the TLP service.


                you can simply type sudo apt-get install tlp OR read the documentation which covers everything in more detail.



                TLP Documentation



                TLP Power settings and configurations documentation



                TLP FAQs




                1. Keep screen brightness lowest possible yet visible. Keep bluetooth and Wifi Off unless needed. Connect an ethernet wire if need be. See what processes are running in background on startup. Disable unnecessary processes.


                2. To set battery threshold levels like in Windows, the thing is whatever is set in Windows using Dell Power manager is also respected in Linux. I didnt explicitly find any tool for that in Ubuntu. However, there is something called Dell Command | Configure which gives you a client configuration toolkit (cctk) with such options. Refer the link below. I installed it and tried to run it but it said it cannot read settings from my BIOS. So didn't work for me but may work for you.



                Dell Command Configure



                Installation and document links are given in the above article




                1. For nVidia Graphic card, first install drivers via Software and Updates GUI then go to nVidia X server settings application and in PRIME profiles switch to Intel Graphic card if you dont need nVidia when on battery or doing normal stuff like browsing.


                Experts can correct me if anything is inappropriate above






                share|improve this answer















                After reading a few articles on the internet and trying a few things out, I guess the issue was somehow the CPU cores were kept at higher frequencies even if it didn't have much work to do. As a result the CPU used to get hot and fans kicked in harder to cool them down.



                Solution is frequency scaling.



                You may also undervolt (Watch a few good tutorials first though. You may use TLP or Intel Xtreme Tuning Utility (XTU). I haven't done this step.)



                Some basics concepts of processor power management can be found in below links



                Intel Docs P States



                Intel Docs C States



                Intel Docs More on Power Management



                Apart from this some things seriously eating juice are:
                Screen Brightness,
                Wifi,
                Bluetooth



                A few simple things worked.




                1. Check if you have all correct drivers installed.



                2. Install CPUFreq Indicator
                  CPUFREQ is a quite helpful indicator applet that you lets you control your system’s CPU speed. In Ubuntu 18.04 it has 2 options: Performance and Powersave. You can select via the option on top right corner of screen.



                  sudo apt-get install indicator-cpufreq




                NOTE: No need to install CPUFreq separately if you're going to use TLP




                1. Install PowerTop


                sudo apt-get install powertop



                and run it a few times (ON BATTERY) to calibrate (It will tell you on screen how many readings you need). These readings are PowerTop checks how much power is used for various things like screen brightness, using 1 core, using all cores, using wifi etc (correct me if I am wrong) and gives you a set of readings which you may inspect as to what is eating up juice. In Tunables, “Bad” indicates a setting that’s not saving power, although it might be good for performance. “Good” indicates a power saving setting is in effect. You may let it auto tune



                sudo powertop --auto-tune


                NOTE: Don't use autotune if you have TLP also as attempting to apply powertop's --auto-tune settings on each boot will conflict with TLP



                Read here: FAQs on using Powertop with TLP in TLP documentation




                1. Install TLP
                  TLP can cover the functionalities of both the tools mentioned above in terms of actually managing power settings. It lets you do a lot of things with power management in true sense. There is a big settings file in which you can keep power settings the way you want (e.g. what devices to turn on after boot, turn wifi off if disconnected etc), save it and then start the TLP service.


                you can simply type sudo apt-get install tlp OR read the documentation which covers everything in more detail.



                TLP Documentation



                TLP Power settings and configurations documentation



                TLP FAQs




                1. Keep screen brightness lowest possible yet visible. Keep bluetooth and Wifi Off unless needed. Connect an ethernet wire if need be. See what processes are running in background on startup. Disable unnecessary processes.


                2. To set battery threshold levels like in Windows, the thing is whatever is set in Windows using Dell Power manager is also respected in Linux. I didnt explicitly find any tool for that in Ubuntu. However, there is something called Dell Command | Configure which gives you a client configuration toolkit (cctk) with such options. Refer the link below. I installed it and tried to run it but it said it cannot read settings from my BIOS. So didn't work for me but may work for you.



                Dell Command Configure



                Installation and document links are given in the above article




                1. For nVidia Graphic card, first install drivers via Software and Updates GUI then go to nVidia X server settings application and in PRIME profiles switch to Intel Graphic card if you dont need nVidia when on battery or doing normal stuff like browsing.


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