Optimization Problem. Find Smallest Perimeter Given Area.











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Find the dimensions of a rectangle with area $1000$m$^2$ whose perimeter is as small as possible.



MY WORK



I think we are solving for $frac{dy}{dx}$:
begin{align*}
P &= (2x+2y) \
A &= (xcdot y) \
frac{d}{dx}1000&=frac{d}{dx}(x cdot y) \
0 &=frac{d}{dx}((x)prime(y)+(y)prime(x)) \
0 &=y+xfrac{dy}{dx}\
frac{dy}{dx} &=frac{-y}{x}
end{align*}



I didn't use the perimeter formula. I am not sure where I messed up. I think probably somewhere in my setup for the equation. If someone could take a look at my work and point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated!










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    QUESTION



    Find the dimensions of a rectangle with area $1000$m$^2$ whose perimeter is as small as possible.



    MY WORK



    I think we are solving for $frac{dy}{dx}$:
    begin{align*}
    P &= (2x+2y) \
    A &= (xcdot y) \
    frac{d}{dx}1000&=frac{d}{dx}(x cdot y) \
    0 &=frac{d}{dx}((x)prime(y)+(y)prime(x)) \
    0 &=y+xfrac{dy}{dx}\
    frac{dy}{dx} &=frac{-y}{x}
    end{align*}



    I didn't use the perimeter formula. I am not sure where I messed up. I think probably somewhere in my setup for the equation. If someone could take a look at my work and point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated!










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      QUESTION



      Find the dimensions of a rectangle with area $1000$m$^2$ whose perimeter is as small as possible.



      MY WORK



      I think we are solving for $frac{dy}{dx}$:
      begin{align*}
      P &= (2x+2y) \
      A &= (xcdot y) \
      frac{d}{dx}1000&=frac{d}{dx}(x cdot y) \
      0 &=frac{d}{dx}((x)prime(y)+(y)prime(x)) \
      0 &=y+xfrac{dy}{dx}\
      frac{dy}{dx} &=frac{-y}{x}
      end{align*}



      I didn't use the perimeter formula. I am not sure where I messed up. I think probably somewhere in my setup for the equation. If someone could take a look at my work and point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated!










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      QUESTION



      Find the dimensions of a rectangle with area $1000$m$^2$ whose perimeter is as small as possible.



      MY WORK



      I think we are solving for $frac{dy}{dx}$:
      begin{align*}
      P &= (2x+2y) \
      A &= (xcdot y) \
      frac{d}{dx}1000&=frac{d}{dx}(x cdot y) \
      0 &=frac{d}{dx}((x)prime(y)+(y)prime(x)) \
      0 &=y+xfrac{dy}{dx}\
      frac{dy}{dx} &=frac{-y}{x}
      end{align*}



      I didn't use the perimeter formula. I am not sure where I messed up. I think probably somewhere in my setup for the equation. If someone could take a look at my work and point me in the right direction it would be greatly appreciated!







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          Take the sides of the rectangle as length $x$ and width $y$.



          Given area is $xy=1000$



          We need to minimize the perimeter of the rectangle.
          So, $P=2x+2y$



          To minimize this, we need to differentiate $P$. Since, we have two different variables in the perimeter, let us bring it to one variable.



          We have $xy=1000implies x=dfrac{1000}{y}$
          $$P=2left(dfrac{1000}{y}right)+2y$$
          $$P^{prime}=-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2$$



          The above equation does not exist if $y=0$



          $$-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2=0$$
          $$y^2=1000$$
          $$y=pmsqrt{1000}$$



          Since the length cannot be negative we can ignore $-sqrt{1000}$



          Therefore, $y=sqrt{1000}$ is the critical number. By plotting we can see that $y=sqrt{1000}$ do not correspond to be local minimum, which means the perimeter of the width is minimized.



          We have length $x=dfrac{1000}{sqrt{1000}}impliessqrt{1000}$ and width $y=sqrt{1000}$



          So, we can say that the perimeter of the rectangle is minimized which is actually a square.






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          • How did you find P'? When I differentiated I used chain rule then quotient rule and got $frac{2y-2000}{y^2}+2$
            – GooseDe
            Nov 14 at 14:23








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            @GooseDe $dfrac{d}{dy}left(dfrac1yright)=-dfrac{1}{y^2}$
            – Key Flex
            Nov 14 at 15:20




















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          For minimum perimeter, put $frac{dP}{dx} = 0$
          $$Longrightarrow 1+frac{dy}{dx} = 0$$
          $$Longrightarrow 1+(-frac{y}{x}) = 0$$
          $$Longrightarrow frac{x-y}{x}=0$$
          $$Longrightarrow x=y$$
          So perimeter will be minimum when the rectangle is a square.



          Hope it is helpful






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          • How did you get $1+frac{dy}{dx}=0$?
            – Toby Mak
            Nov 14 at 12:39










          • By differentiating the perimeter with respect to x and cancelling off 2 on both sides.
            – Crazy for maths
            Nov 14 at 12:41










          • Of course, I didn't see where it said $P=2x+2y$.
            – Toby Mak
            Nov 14 at 12:41










          • It's interesting that the same reasoning shows that a square also maximizes the area for a fixed given perimeter.
            – irchans
            Nov 14 at 12:46










          • Yes, we can say that square is a rectangle which minimises the perimeter and maximises the enclosed area.
            – Crazy for maths
            Nov 14 at 12:49











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          Take the sides of the rectangle as length $x$ and width $y$.



          Given area is $xy=1000$



          We need to minimize the perimeter of the rectangle.
          So, $P=2x+2y$



          To minimize this, we need to differentiate $P$. Since, we have two different variables in the perimeter, let us bring it to one variable.



          We have $xy=1000implies x=dfrac{1000}{y}$
          $$P=2left(dfrac{1000}{y}right)+2y$$
          $$P^{prime}=-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2$$



          The above equation does not exist if $y=0$



          $$-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2=0$$
          $$y^2=1000$$
          $$y=pmsqrt{1000}$$



          Since the length cannot be negative we can ignore $-sqrt{1000}$



          Therefore, $y=sqrt{1000}$ is the critical number. By plotting we can see that $y=sqrt{1000}$ do not correspond to be local minimum, which means the perimeter of the width is minimized.



          We have length $x=dfrac{1000}{sqrt{1000}}impliessqrt{1000}$ and width $y=sqrt{1000}$



          So, we can say that the perimeter of the rectangle is minimized which is actually a square.






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          • How did you find P'? When I differentiated I used chain rule then quotient rule and got $frac{2y-2000}{y^2}+2$
            – GooseDe
            Nov 14 at 14:23








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            @GooseDe $dfrac{d}{dy}left(dfrac1yright)=-dfrac{1}{y^2}$
            – Key Flex
            Nov 14 at 15:20

















          up vote
          1
          down vote



          accepted










          Take the sides of the rectangle as length $x$ and width $y$.



          Given area is $xy=1000$



          We need to minimize the perimeter of the rectangle.
          So, $P=2x+2y$



          To minimize this, we need to differentiate $P$. Since, we have two different variables in the perimeter, let us bring it to one variable.



          We have $xy=1000implies x=dfrac{1000}{y}$
          $$P=2left(dfrac{1000}{y}right)+2y$$
          $$P^{prime}=-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2$$



          The above equation does not exist if $y=0$



          $$-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2=0$$
          $$y^2=1000$$
          $$y=pmsqrt{1000}$$



          Since the length cannot be negative we can ignore $-sqrt{1000}$



          Therefore, $y=sqrt{1000}$ is the critical number. By plotting we can see that $y=sqrt{1000}$ do not correspond to be local minimum, which means the perimeter of the width is minimized.



          We have length $x=dfrac{1000}{sqrt{1000}}impliessqrt{1000}$ and width $y=sqrt{1000}$



          So, we can say that the perimeter of the rectangle is minimized which is actually a square.






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          • How did you find P'? When I differentiated I used chain rule then quotient rule and got $frac{2y-2000}{y^2}+2$
            – GooseDe
            Nov 14 at 14:23








          • 1




            @GooseDe $dfrac{d}{dy}left(dfrac1yright)=-dfrac{1}{y^2}$
            – Key Flex
            Nov 14 at 15:20















          up vote
          1
          down vote



          accepted







          up vote
          1
          down vote



          accepted






          Take the sides of the rectangle as length $x$ and width $y$.



          Given area is $xy=1000$



          We need to minimize the perimeter of the rectangle.
          So, $P=2x+2y$



          To minimize this, we need to differentiate $P$. Since, we have two different variables in the perimeter, let us bring it to one variable.



          We have $xy=1000implies x=dfrac{1000}{y}$
          $$P=2left(dfrac{1000}{y}right)+2y$$
          $$P^{prime}=-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2$$



          The above equation does not exist if $y=0$



          $$-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2=0$$
          $$y^2=1000$$
          $$y=pmsqrt{1000}$$



          Since the length cannot be negative we can ignore $-sqrt{1000}$



          Therefore, $y=sqrt{1000}$ is the critical number. By plotting we can see that $y=sqrt{1000}$ do not correspond to be local minimum, which means the perimeter of the width is minimized.



          We have length $x=dfrac{1000}{sqrt{1000}}impliessqrt{1000}$ and width $y=sqrt{1000}$



          So, we can say that the perimeter of the rectangle is minimized which is actually a square.






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          Take the sides of the rectangle as length $x$ and width $y$.



          Given area is $xy=1000$



          We need to minimize the perimeter of the rectangle.
          So, $P=2x+2y$



          To minimize this, we need to differentiate $P$. Since, we have two different variables in the perimeter, let us bring it to one variable.



          We have $xy=1000implies x=dfrac{1000}{y}$
          $$P=2left(dfrac{1000}{y}right)+2y$$
          $$P^{prime}=-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2$$



          The above equation does not exist if $y=0$



          $$-dfrac{2000}{y^2}+2=0$$
          $$y^2=1000$$
          $$y=pmsqrt{1000}$$



          Since the length cannot be negative we can ignore $-sqrt{1000}$



          Therefore, $y=sqrt{1000}$ is the critical number. By plotting we can see that $y=sqrt{1000}$ do not correspond to be local minimum, which means the perimeter of the width is minimized.



          We have length $x=dfrac{1000}{sqrt{1000}}impliessqrt{1000}$ and width $y=sqrt{1000}$



          So, we can say that the perimeter of the rectangle is minimized which is actually a square.







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          • How did you find P'? When I differentiated I used chain rule then quotient rule and got $frac{2y-2000}{y^2}+2$
            – GooseDe
            Nov 14 at 14:23








          • 1




            @GooseDe $dfrac{d}{dy}left(dfrac1yright)=-dfrac{1}{y^2}$
            – Key Flex
            Nov 14 at 15:20




















          • How did you find P'? When I differentiated I used chain rule then quotient rule and got $frac{2y-2000}{y^2}+2$
            – GooseDe
            Nov 14 at 14:23








          • 1




            @GooseDe $dfrac{d}{dy}left(dfrac1yright)=-dfrac{1}{y^2}$
            – Key Flex
            Nov 14 at 15:20


















          How did you find P'? When I differentiated I used chain rule then quotient rule and got $frac{2y-2000}{y^2}+2$
          – GooseDe
          Nov 14 at 14:23






          How did you find P'? When I differentiated I used chain rule then quotient rule and got $frac{2y-2000}{y^2}+2$
          – GooseDe
          Nov 14 at 14:23






          1




          1




          @GooseDe $dfrac{d}{dy}left(dfrac1yright)=-dfrac{1}{y^2}$
          – Key Flex
          Nov 14 at 15:20






          @GooseDe $dfrac{d}{dy}left(dfrac1yright)=-dfrac{1}{y^2}$
          – Key Flex
          Nov 14 at 15:20












          up vote
          1
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          For minimum perimeter, put $frac{dP}{dx} = 0$
          $$Longrightarrow 1+frac{dy}{dx} = 0$$
          $$Longrightarrow 1+(-frac{y}{x}) = 0$$
          $$Longrightarrow frac{x-y}{x}=0$$
          $$Longrightarrow x=y$$
          So perimeter will be minimum when the rectangle is a square.



          Hope it is helpful






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          • How did you get $1+frac{dy}{dx}=0$?
            – Toby Mak
            Nov 14 at 12:39










          • By differentiating the perimeter with respect to x and cancelling off 2 on both sides.
            – Crazy for maths
            Nov 14 at 12:41










          • Of course, I didn't see where it said $P=2x+2y$.
            – Toby Mak
            Nov 14 at 12:41










          • It's interesting that the same reasoning shows that a square also maximizes the area for a fixed given perimeter.
            – irchans
            Nov 14 at 12:46










          • Yes, we can say that square is a rectangle which minimises the perimeter and maximises the enclosed area.
            – Crazy for maths
            Nov 14 at 12:49















          up vote
          1
          down vote













          For minimum perimeter, put $frac{dP}{dx} = 0$
          $$Longrightarrow 1+frac{dy}{dx} = 0$$
          $$Longrightarrow 1+(-frac{y}{x}) = 0$$
          $$Longrightarrow frac{x-y}{x}=0$$
          $$Longrightarrow x=y$$
          So perimeter will be minimum when the rectangle is a square.



          Hope it is helpful






          share|cite|improve this answer























          • How did you get $1+frac{dy}{dx}=0$?
            – Toby Mak
            Nov 14 at 12:39










          • By differentiating the perimeter with respect to x and cancelling off 2 on both sides.
            – Crazy for maths
            Nov 14 at 12:41










          • Of course, I didn't see where it said $P=2x+2y$.
            – Toby Mak
            Nov 14 at 12:41










          • It's interesting that the same reasoning shows that a square also maximizes the area for a fixed given perimeter.
            – irchans
            Nov 14 at 12:46










          • Yes, we can say that square is a rectangle which minimises the perimeter and maximises the enclosed area.
            – Crazy for maths
            Nov 14 at 12:49













          up vote
          1
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          up vote
          1
          down vote









          For minimum perimeter, put $frac{dP}{dx} = 0$
          $$Longrightarrow 1+frac{dy}{dx} = 0$$
          $$Longrightarrow 1+(-frac{y}{x}) = 0$$
          $$Longrightarrow frac{x-y}{x}=0$$
          $$Longrightarrow x=y$$
          So perimeter will be minimum when the rectangle is a square.



          Hope it is helpful






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          For minimum perimeter, put $frac{dP}{dx} = 0$
          $$Longrightarrow 1+frac{dy}{dx} = 0$$
          $$Longrightarrow 1+(-frac{y}{x}) = 0$$
          $$Longrightarrow frac{x-y}{x}=0$$
          $$Longrightarrow x=y$$
          So perimeter will be minimum when the rectangle is a square.



          Hope it is helpful







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          • How did you get $1+frac{dy}{dx}=0$?
            – Toby Mak
            Nov 14 at 12:39










          • By differentiating the perimeter with respect to x and cancelling off 2 on both sides.
            – Crazy for maths
            Nov 14 at 12:41










          • Of course, I didn't see where it said $P=2x+2y$.
            – Toby Mak
            Nov 14 at 12:41










          • It's interesting that the same reasoning shows that a square also maximizes the area for a fixed given perimeter.
            – irchans
            Nov 14 at 12:46










          • Yes, we can say that square is a rectangle which minimises the perimeter and maximises the enclosed area.
            – Crazy for maths
            Nov 14 at 12:49


















          • How did you get $1+frac{dy}{dx}=0$?
            – Toby Mak
            Nov 14 at 12:39










          • By differentiating the perimeter with respect to x and cancelling off 2 on both sides.
            – Crazy for maths
            Nov 14 at 12:41










          • Of course, I didn't see where it said $P=2x+2y$.
            – Toby Mak
            Nov 14 at 12:41










          • It's interesting that the same reasoning shows that a square also maximizes the area for a fixed given perimeter.
            – irchans
            Nov 14 at 12:46










          • Yes, we can say that square is a rectangle which minimises the perimeter and maximises the enclosed area.
            – Crazy for maths
            Nov 14 at 12:49
















          How did you get $1+frac{dy}{dx}=0$?
          – Toby Mak
          Nov 14 at 12:39




          How did you get $1+frac{dy}{dx}=0$?
          – Toby Mak
          Nov 14 at 12:39












          By differentiating the perimeter with respect to x and cancelling off 2 on both sides.
          – Crazy for maths
          Nov 14 at 12:41




          By differentiating the perimeter with respect to x and cancelling off 2 on both sides.
          – Crazy for maths
          Nov 14 at 12:41












          Of course, I didn't see where it said $P=2x+2y$.
          – Toby Mak
          Nov 14 at 12:41




          Of course, I didn't see where it said $P=2x+2y$.
          – Toby Mak
          Nov 14 at 12:41












          It's interesting that the same reasoning shows that a square also maximizes the area for a fixed given perimeter.
          – irchans
          Nov 14 at 12:46




          It's interesting that the same reasoning shows that a square also maximizes the area for a fixed given perimeter.
          – irchans
          Nov 14 at 12:46












          Yes, we can say that square is a rectangle which minimises the perimeter and maximises the enclosed area.
          – Crazy for maths
          Nov 14 at 12:49




          Yes, we can say that square is a rectangle which minimises the perimeter and maximises the enclosed area.
          – Crazy for maths
          Nov 14 at 12:49


















           

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