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We are using Ubuntu Server 18.04, and is supposed to have 5 years of support, but we also need a graphical GUI and we want to install Xubuntu packages.



Since Xubuntu 18.04 only has 3 years of support, what's going to happen with this server after those 3 years?. Are we going to face security issues? All the server is "downgraded" to only 3 years of support?.










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    I cannot say if you will have security issues once the 3 years is up. Chances are though, I would say no, as I have been running Xubuntu for years and it never seemed to have any issues. It will not change the Ubuntu Server to 3 years of support. You can always run ubuntu-support-status --show-all and see all the packages that are installed and when their support ends.
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    If a security issue is related to one of the unsupported packages you want installed, then yes, you'll face it. There is no way to know it will happen in advance.
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  • Possible duplicate of Updates for Ubuntu LTS Desktop versus LTS Server
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We are using Ubuntu Server 18.04, and is supposed to have 5 years of support, but we also need a graphical GUI and we want to install Xubuntu packages.



Since Xubuntu 18.04 only has 3 years of support, what's going to happen with this server after those 3 years?. Are we going to face security issues? All the server is "downgraded" to only 3 years of support?.










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    I cannot say if you will have security issues once the 3 years is up. Chances are though, I would say no, as I have been running Xubuntu for years and it never seemed to have any issues. It will not change the Ubuntu Server to 3 years of support. You can always run ubuntu-support-status --show-all and see all the packages that are installed and when their support ends.
    – Terrance
    Nov 10 at 3:54








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    If a security issue is related to one of the unsupported packages you want installed, then yes, you'll face it. There is no way to know it will happen in advance.
    – mikewhatever
    Nov 10 at 4:48










  • Close voters. Answered.
    – Elder Geek
    Nov 10 at 14:51










  • Possible duplicate of Updates for Ubuntu LTS Desktop versus LTS Server
    – muru
    Nov 12 at 22:54













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We are using Ubuntu Server 18.04, and is supposed to have 5 years of support, but we also need a graphical GUI and we want to install Xubuntu packages.



Since Xubuntu 18.04 only has 3 years of support, what's going to happen with this server after those 3 years?. Are we going to face security issues? All the server is "downgraded" to only 3 years of support?.










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We are using Ubuntu Server 18.04, and is supposed to have 5 years of support, but we also need a graphical GUI and we want to install Xubuntu packages.



Since Xubuntu 18.04 only has 3 years of support, what's going to happen with this server after those 3 years?. Are we going to face security issues? All the server is "downgraded" to only 3 years of support?.







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    I cannot say if you will have security issues once the 3 years is up. Chances are though, I would say no, as I have been running Xubuntu for years and it never seemed to have any issues. It will not change the Ubuntu Server to 3 years of support. You can always run ubuntu-support-status --show-all and see all the packages that are installed and when their support ends.
    – Terrance
    Nov 10 at 3:54








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    If a security issue is related to one of the unsupported packages you want installed, then yes, you'll face it. There is no way to know it will happen in advance.
    – mikewhatever
    Nov 10 at 4:48










  • Close voters. Answered.
    – Elder Geek
    Nov 10 at 14:51










  • Possible duplicate of Updates for Ubuntu LTS Desktop versus LTS Server
    – muru
    Nov 12 at 22:54














  • 1




    I cannot say if you will have security issues once the 3 years is up. Chances are though, I would say no, as I have been running Xubuntu for years and it never seemed to have any issues. It will not change the Ubuntu Server to 3 years of support. You can always run ubuntu-support-status --show-all and see all the packages that are installed and when their support ends.
    – Terrance
    Nov 10 at 3:54








  • 1




    If a security issue is related to one of the unsupported packages you want installed, then yes, you'll face it. There is no way to know it will happen in advance.
    – mikewhatever
    Nov 10 at 4:48










  • Close voters. Answered.
    – Elder Geek
    Nov 10 at 14:51










  • Possible duplicate of Updates for Ubuntu LTS Desktop versus LTS Server
    – muru
    Nov 12 at 22:54








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I cannot say if you will have security issues once the 3 years is up. Chances are though, I would say no, as I have been running Xubuntu for years and it never seemed to have any issues. It will not change the Ubuntu Server to 3 years of support. You can always run ubuntu-support-status --show-all and see all the packages that are installed and when their support ends.
– Terrance
Nov 10 at 3:54






I cannot say if you will have security issues once the 3 years is up. Chances are though, I would say no, as I have been running Xubuntu for years and it never seemed to have any issues. It will not change the Ubuntu Server to 3 years of support. You can always run ubuntu-support-status --show-all and see all the packages that are installed and when their support ends.
– Terrance
Nov 10 at 3:54






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If a security issue is related to one of the unsupported packages you want installed, then yes, you'll face it. There is no way to know it will happen in advance.
– mikewhatever
Nov 10 at 4:48




If a security issue is related to one of the unsupported packages you want installed, then yes, you'll face it. There is no way to know it will happen in advance.
– mikewhatever
Nov 10 at 4:48












Close voters. Answered.
– Elder Geek
Nov 10 at 14:51




Close voters. Answered.
– Elder Geek
Nov 10 at 14:51












Possible duplicate of Updates for Ubuntu LTS Desktop versus LTS Server
– muru
Nov 12 at 22:54




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Ubuntu Server is not intended for use with a Graphical Interface.



When the time comes and the GUI you have installed ends the support, you won't receive any updates, new features or bug fixes for that GUI.

It might not be of your interest about new features, but bug fixes are almost identical to security fixes. So, from this perspective yes you will have a problematic server running.



Also, I suggest to read this answer as describes why Ubuntu Server developers do not recommend installing X on a server.



I'm also quoting here.




Most Ubuntu Server developers do not recommend installing X on a
server. There are multiple reasons for not installing a GUI.



Some reasons to not install a GUI include:




  1. You'll have more code subject to security vulnerabilities, more packages that need updating, and more server downtime.

  2. X11 and desktop packages are not supported for the full 5 year lifecycle of the LTS server release.

  3. Performance may suffer because resources (memory, hard disk space, CPU, etc.) will be consumed by the GUI.

  4. It is best practice to only install needed software on a production server.

  5. The GUI may include other network services that are inappropriate for a server.

  6. One of the goals of Ubuntu Desktop Edition is to make it easier for users to use Linux. When installing some desktop environments,
    services that you may not specifically want will be installed. For
    example avahi-daemon, which is used to help configure networking,
    adds another open port and may introduce unwanted DNS conflicts with a
    .local domain.


So for the most secure server it is best to not install a GUI.







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    To the best of my knowledge Ubuntu LTS versions such as 18.04 have the same 5 years of support since Ubuntu v.12.04 whether you've installed a desktop version or a server version. The support schedule prior to 12.04 was 5 years for server and 3 for desktop. Of course any packages that you choose to install from PPA's you do so at your own risk.



    So, no I don't see any reason to expect that your server will be downgraded to 3 years of support. Of course if you've purchased a support contract somewhere, it's always best to review the terms of any contract to insure compliance.



    To obtain a list of packages that are reported to be supported you can issue the command:



    ubuntu-support-status --show-supported



    To obtain a list of your packages that are reported to be unsupported you can issue the command:



    ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported



    Note that just because a package is listed as unsupported doesn't mean you won't be able to find someone to help you with it here, or on another Stack Exchange site.






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    • OP already knows that some packages will not be supported. "Since Xubuntu 18.04 only has 3 years of support, what's going to happen with this server after those 3 years?. Are we going to face security issues?" This does not answer the question, it only describes how to confirm what they already know to be true. Any advice for them on what to do in three years, when those commands show a big list of unsupported packages?
      – Tom Brossman
      Nov 11 at 6:53










    • I only recently installed 18.10, and added a few PPAs such as the LibreOffice fresh PPA - I have approx 21% of installed packages, which are unsupported!
      – Charles Green
      Nov 11 at 15:21






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      @TomBrossman point taken. Edited answer in the hopes of eliminating confusion.
      – Elder Geek
      Nov 12 at 19:55










    • @CharlesGreen 18.10 is not an LTS version and the support schedule is much shorter as indicated by the End Of Life date
      – Elder Geek
      Nov 12 at 19:57






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      @eldergeek I think maybe my post should be that as soon as you start asking ppas that you start finding unsupported modules
      – Charles Green
      Nov 12 at 20:03











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    Ubuntu Server is not intended for use with a Graphical Interface.



    When the time comes and the GUI you have installed ends the support, you won't receive any updates, new features or bug fixes for that GUI.

    It might not be of your interest about new features, but bug fixes are almost identical to security fixes. So, from this perspective yes you will have a problematic server running.



    Also, I suggest to read this answer as describes why Ubuntu Server developers do not recommend installing X on a server.



    I'm also quoting here.




    Most Ubuntu Server developers do not recommend installing X on a
    server. There are multiple reasons for not installing a GUI.



    Some reasons to not install a GUI include:




    1. You'll have more code subject to security vulnerabilities, more packages that need updating, and more server downtime.

    2. X11 and desktop packages are not supported for the full 5 year lifecycle of the LTS server release.

    3. Performance may suffer because resources (memory, hard disk space, CPU, etc.) will be consumed by the GUI.

    4. It is best practice to only install needed software on a production server.

    5. The GUI may include other network services that are inappropriate for a server.

    6. One of the goals of Ubuntu Desktop Edition is to make it easier for users to use Linux. When installing some desktop environments,
      services that you may not specifically want will be installed. For
      example avahi-daemon, which is used to help configure networking,
      adds another open port and may introduce unwanted DNS conflicts with a
      .local domain.


    So for the most secure server it is best to not install a GUI.







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      Ubuntu Server is not intended for use with a Graphical Interface.



      When the time comes and the GUI you have installed ends the support, you won't receive any updates, new features or bug fixes for that GUI.

      It might not be of your interest about new features, but bug fixes are almost identical to security fixes. So, from this perspective yes you will have a problematic server running.



      Also, I suggest to read this answer as describes why Ubuntu Server developers do not recommend installing X on a server.



      I'm also quoting here.




      Most Ubuntu Server developers do not recommend installing X on a
      server. There are multiple reasons for not installing a GUI.



      Some reasons to not install a GUI include:




      1. You'll have more code subject to security vulnerabilities, more packages that need updating, and more server downtime.

      2. X11 and desktop packages are not supported for the full 5 year lifecycle of the LTS server release.

      3. Performance may suffer because resources (memory, hard disk space, CPU, etc.) will be consumed by the GUI.

      4. It is best practice to only install needed software on a production server.

      5. The GUI may include other network services that are inappropriate for a server.

      6. One of the goals of Ubuntu Desktop Edition is to make it easier for users to use Linux. When installing some desktop environments,
        services that you may not specifically want will be installed. For
        example avahi-daemon, which is used to help configure networking,
        adds another open port and may introduce unwanted DNS conflicts with a
        .local domain.


      So for the most secure server it is best to not install a GUI.







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        up vote
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        Ubuntu Server is not intended for use with a Graphical Interface.



        When the time comes and the GUI you have installed ends the support, you won't receive any updates, new features or bug fixes for that GUI.

        It might not be of your interest about new features, but bug fixes are almost identical to security fixes. So, from this perspective yes you will have a problematic server running.



        Also, I suggest to read this answer as describes why Ubuntu Server developers do not recommend installing X on a server.



        I'm also quoting here.




        Most Ubuntu Server developers do not recommend installing X on a
        server. There are multiple reasons for not installing a GUI.



        Some reasons to not install a GUI include:




        1. You'll have more code subject to security vulnerabilities, more packages that need updating, and more server downtime.

        2. X11 and desktop packages are not supported for the full 5 year lifecycle of the LTS server release.

        3. Performance may suffer because resources (memory, hard disk space, CPU, etc.) will be consumed by the GUI.

        4. It is best practice to only install needed software on a production server.

        5. The GUI may include other network services that are inappropriate for a server.

        6. One of the goals of Ubuntu Desktop Edition is to make it easier for users to use Linux. When installing some desktop environments,
          services that you may not specifically want will be installed. For
          example avahi-daemon, which is used to help configure networking,
          adds another open port and may introduce unwanted DNS conflicts with a
          .local domain.


        So for the most secure server it is best to not install a GUI.







        share|improve this answer














        Ubuntu Server is not intended for use with a Graphical Interface.



        When the time comes and the GUI you have installed ends the support, you won't receive any updates, new features or bug fixes for that GUI.

        It might not be of your interest about new features, but bug fixes are almost identical to security fixes. So, from this perspective yes you will have a problematic server running.



        Also, I suggest to read this answer as describes why Ubuntu Server developers do not recommend installing X on a server.



        I'm also quoting here.




        Most Ubuntu Server developers do not recommend installing X on a
        server. There are multiple reasons for not installing a GUI.



        Some reasons to not install a GUI include:




        1. You'll have more code subject to security vulnerabilities, more packages that need updating, and more server downtime.

        2. X11 and desktop packages are not supported for the full 5 year lifecycle of the LTS server release.

        3. Performance may suffer because resources (memory, hard disk space, CPU, etc.) will be consumed by the GUI.

        4. It is best practice to only install needed software on a production server.

        5. The GUI may include other network services that are inappropriate for a server.

        6. One of the goals of Ubuntu Desktop Edition is to make it easier for users to use Linux. When installing some desktop environments,
          services that you may not specifically want will be installed. For
          example avahi-daemon, which is used to help configure networking,
          adds another open port and may introduce unwanted DNS conflicts with a
          .local domain.


        So for the most secure server it is best to not install a GUI.








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            To the best of my knowledge Ubuntu LTS versions such as 18.04 have the same 5 years of support since Ubuntu v.12.04 whether you've installed a desktop version or a server version. The support schedule prior to 12.04 was 5 years for server and 3 for desktop. Of course any packages that you choose to install from PPA's you do so at your own risk.



            So, no I don't see any reason to expect that your server will be downgraded to 3 years of support. Of course if you've purchased a support contract somewhere, it's always best to review the terms of any contract to insure compliance.



            To obtain a list of packages that are reported to be supported you can issue the command:



            ubuntu-support-status --show-supported



            To obtain a list of your packages that are reported to be unsupported you can issue the command:



            ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported



            Note that just because a package is listed as unsupported doesn't mean you won't be able to find someone to help you with it here, or on another Stack Exchange site.






            share|improve this answer























            • OP already knows that some packages will not be supported. "Since Xubuntu 18.04 only has 3 years of support, what's going to happen with this server after those 3 years?. Are we going to face security issues?" This does not answer the question, it only describes how to confirm what they already know to be true. Any advice for them on what to do in three years, when those commands show a big list of unsupported packages?
              – Tom Brossman
              Nov 11 at 6:53










            • I only recently installed 18.10, and added a few PPAs such as the LibreOffice fresh PPA - I have approx 21% of installed packages, which are unsupported!
              – Charles Green
              Nov 11 at 15:21






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              @TomBrossman point taken. Edited answer in the hopes of eliminating confusion.
              – Elder Geek
              Nov 12 at 19:55










            • @CharlesGreen 18.10 is not an LTS version and the support schedule is much shorter as indicated by the End Of Life date
              – Elder Geek
              Nov 12 at 19:57






            • 1




              @eldergeek I think maybe my post should be that as soon as you start asking ppas that you start finding unsupported modules
              – Charles Green
              Nov 12 at 20:03















            up vote
            1
            down vote













            To the best of my knowledge Ubuntu LTS versions such as 18.04 have the same 5 years of support since Ubuntu v.12.04 whether you've installed a desktop version or a server version. The support schedule prior to 12.04 was 5 years for server and 3 for desktop. Of course any packages that you choose to install from PPA's you do so at your own risk.



            So, no I don't see any reason to expect that your server will be downgraded to 3 years of support. Of course if you've purchased a support contract somewhere, it's always best to review the terms of any contract to insure compliance.



            To obtain a list of packages that are reported to be supported you can issue the command:



            ubuntu-support-status --show-supported



            To obtain a list of your packages that are reported to be unsupported you can issue the command:



            ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported



            Note that just because a package is listed as unsupported doesn't mean you won't be able to find someone to help you with it here, or on another Stack Exchange site.






            share|improve this answer























            • OP already knows that some packages will not be supported. "Since Xubuntu 18.04 only has 3 years of support, what's going to happen with this server after those 3 years?. Are we going to face security issues?" This does not answer the question, it only describes how to confirm what they already know to be true. Any advice for them on what to do in three years, when those commands show a big list of unsupported packages?
              – Tom Brossman
              Nov 11 at 6:53










            • I only recently installed 18.10, and added a few PPAs such as the LibreOffice fresh PPA - I have approx 21% of installed packages, which are unsupported!
              – Charles Green
              Nov 11 at 15:21






            • 1




              @TomBrossman point taken. Edited answer in the hopes of eliminating confusion.
              – Elder Geek
              Nov 12 at 19:55










            • @CharlesGreen 18.10 is not an LTS version and the support schedule is much shorter as indicated by the End Of Life date
              – Elder Geek
              Nov 12 at 19:57






            • 1




              @eldergeek I think maybe my post should be that as soon as you start asking ppas that you start finding unsupported modules
              – Charles Green
              Nov 12 at 20:03













            up vote
            1
            down vote










            up vote
            1
            down vote









            To the best of my knowledge Ubuntu LTS versions such as 18.04 have the same 5 years of support since Ubuntu v.12.04 whether you've installed a desktop version or a server version. The support schedule prior to 12.04 was 5 years for server and 3 for desktop. Of course any packages that you choose to install from PPA's you do so at your own risk.



            So, no I don't see any reason to expect that your server will be downgraded to 3 years of support. Of course if you've purchased a support contract somewhere, it's always best to review the terms of any contract to insure compliance.



            To obtain a list of packages that are reported to be supported you can issue the command:



            ubuntu-support-status --show-supported



            To obtain a list of your packages that are reported to be unsupported you can issue the command:



            ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported



            Note that just because a package is listed as unsupported doesn't mean you won't be able to find someone to help you with it here, or on another Stack Exchange site.






            share|improve this answer














            To the best of my knowledge Ubuntu LTS versions such as 18.04 have the same 5 years of support since Ubuntu v.12.04 whether you've installed a desktop version or a server version. The support schedule prior to 12.04 was 5 years for server and 3 for desktop. Of course any packages that you choose to install from PPA's you do so at your own risk.



            So, no I don't see any reason to expect that your server will be downgraded to 3 years of support. Of course if you've purchased a support contract somewhere, it's always best to review the terms of any contract to insure compliance.



            To obtain a list of packages that are reported to be supported you can issue the command:



            ubuntu-support-status --show-supported



            To obtain a list of your packages that are reported to be unsupported you can issue the command:



            ubuntu-support-status --show-unsupported



            Note that just because a package is listed as unsupported doesn't mean you won't be able to find someone to help you with it here, or on another Stack Exchange site.







            share|improve this answer














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            answered Nov 10 at 14:50









            Elder Geek

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            • OP already knows that some packages will not be supported. "Since Xubuntu 18.04 only has 3 years of support, what's going to happen with this server after those 3 years?. Are we going to face security issues?" This does not answer the question, it only describes how to confirm what they already know to be true. Any advice for them on what to do in three years, when those commands show a big list of unsupported packages?
              – Tom Brossman
              Nov 11 at 6:53










            • I only recently installed 18.10, and added a few PPAs such as the LibreOffice fresh PPA - I have approx 21% of installed packages, which are unsupported!
              – Charles Green
              Nov 11 at 15:21






            • 1




              @TomBrossman point taken. Edited answer in the hopes of eliminating confusion.
              – Elder Geek
              Nov 12 at 19:55










            • @CharlesGreen 18.10 is not an LTS version and the support schedule is much shorter as indicated by the End Of Life date
              – Elder Geek
              Nov 12 at 19:57






            • 1




              @eldergeek I think maybe my post should be that as soon as you start asking ppas that you start finding unsupported modules
              – Charles Green
              Nov 12 at 20:03


















            • OP already knows that some packages will not be supported. "Since Xubuntu 18.04 only has 3 years of support, what's going to happen with this server after those 3 years?. Are we going to face security issues?" This does not answer the question, it only describes how to confirm what they already know to be true. Any advice for them on what to do in three years, when those commands show a big list of unsupported packages?
              – Tom Brossman
              Nov 11 at 6:53










            • I only recently installed 18.10, and added a few PPAs such as the LibreOffice fresh PPA - I have approx 21% of installed packages, which are unsupported!
              – Charles Green
              Nov 11 at 15:21






            • 1




              @TomBrossman point taken. Edited answer in the hopes of eliminating confusion.
              – Elder Geek
              Nov 12 at 19:55










            • @CharlesGreen 18.10 is not an LTS version and the support schedule is much shorter as indicated by the End Of Life date
              – Elder Geek
              Nov 12 at 19:57






            • 1




              @eldergeek I think maybe my post should be that as soon as you start asking ppas that you start finding unsupported modules
              – Charles Green
              Nov 12 at 20:03
















            OP already knows that some packages will not be supported. "Since Xubuntu 18.04 only has 3 years of support, what's going to happen with this server after those 3 years?. Are we going to face security issues?" This does not answer the question, it only describes how to confirm what they already know to be true. Any advice for them on what to do in three years, when those commands show a big list of unsupported packages?
            – Tom Brossman
            Nov 11 at 6:53




            OP already knows that some packages will not be supported. "Since Xubuntu 18.04 only has 3 years of support, what's going to happen with this server after those 3 years?. Are we going to face security issues?" This does not answer the question, it only describes how to confirm what they already know to be true. Any advice for them on what to do in three years, when those commands show a big list of unsupported packages?
            – Tom Brossman
            Nov 11 at 6:53












            I only recently installed 18.10, and added a few PPAs such as the LibreOffice fresh PPA - I have approx 21% of installed packages, which are unsupported!
            – Charles Green
            Nov 11 at 15:21




            I only recently installed 18.10, and added a few PPAs such as the LibreOffice fresh PPA - I have approx 21% of installed packages, which are unsupported!
            – Charles Green
            Nov 11 at 15:21




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            @TomBrossman point taken. Edited answer in the hopes of eliminating confusion.
            – Elder Geek
            Nov 12 at 19:55




            @TomBrossman point taken. Edited answer in the hopes of eliminating confusion.
            – Elder Geek
            Nov 12 at 19:55












            @CharlesGreen 18.10 is not an LTS version and the support schedule is much shorter as indicated by the End Of Life date
            – Elder Geek
            Nov 12 at 19:57




            @CharlesGreen 18.10 is not an LTS version and the support schedule is much shorter as indicated by the End Of Life date
            – Elder Geek
            Nov 12 at 19:57




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            @eldergeek I think maybe my post should be that as soon as you start asking ppas that you start finding unsupported modules
            – Charles Green
            Nov 12 at 20:03




            @eldergeek I think maybe my post should be that as soon as you start asking ppas that you start finding unsupported modules
            – Charles Green
            Nov 12 at 20:03










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