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The definition of The Power of a Point Theorem in the Wolfram Demonstrations Project is the following:




If two chords $AB$ and $CD$ in a circle intersect the point $P$, then $|AP||PB|=|CP||PD|$




So far, all the proofs of this theorem I have found are restricted to cases: $P$ is either necessarily inside or outside the circle. What would be an uncomplicated proof of this theorem comprising both cases at once?










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    Well first of all P on the circle is a corner case. Have you thought what it means for two chords to meet on the circle? It doesn't make much logical sense. Sure we define it to be 0 and it's certainly the limit of any sequence of powers of points that approach the boundary of the circle, but yeah, as I said, P on the circle kind of has to be treated separately.
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The definition of The Power of a Point Theorem in the Wolfram Demonstrations Project is the following:




If two chords $AB$ and $CD$ in a circle intersect the point $P$, then $|AP||PB|=|CP||PD|$




So far, all the proofs of this theorem I have found are restricted to cases: $P$ is either necessarily inside or outside the circle. What would be an uncomplicated proof of this theorem comprising both cases at once?










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    Well first of all P on the circle is a corner case. Have you thought what it means for two chords to meet on the circle? It doesn't make much logical sense. Sure we define it to be 0 and it's certainly the limit of any sequence of powers of points that approach the boundary of the circle, but yeah, as I said, P on the circle kind of has to be treated separately.
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The definition of The Power of a Point Theorem in the Wolfram Demonstrations Project is the following:




If two chords $AB$ and $CD$ in a circle intersect the point $P$, then $|AP||PB|=|CP||PD|$




So far, all the proofs of this theorem I have found are restricted to cases: $P$ is either necessarily inside or outside the circle. What would be an uncomplicated proof of this theorem comprising both cases at once?










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The definition of The Power of a Point Theorem in the Wolfram Demonstrations Project is the following:




If two chords $AB$ and $CD$ in a circle intersect the point $P$, then $|AP||PB|=|CP||PD|$




So far, all the proofs of this theorem I have found are restricted to cases: $P$ is either necessarily inside or outside the circle. What would be an uncomplicated proof of this theorem comprising both cases at once?







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    Well first of all P on the circle is a corner case. Have you thought what it means for two chords to meet on the circle? It doesn't make much logical sense. Sure we define it to be 0 and it's certainly the limit of any sequence of powers of points that approach the boundary of the circle, but yeah, as I said, P on the circle kind of has to be treated separately.
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    Well first of all P on the circle is a corner case. Have you thought what it means for two chords to meet on the circle? It doesn't make much logical sense. Sure we define it to be 0 and it's certainly the limit of any sequence of powers of points that approach the boundary of the circle, but yeah, as I said, P on the circle kind of has to be treated separately.
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Well first of all P on the circle is a corner case. Have you thought what it means for two chords to meet on the circle? It doesn't make much logical sense. Sure we define it to be 0 and it's certainly the limit of any sequence of powers of points that approach the boundary of the circle, but yeah, as I said, P on the circle kind of has to be treated separately.
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Well first of all P on the circle is a corner case. Have you thought what it means for two chords to meet on the circle? It doesn't make much logical sense. Sure we define it to be 0 and it's certainly the limit of any sequence of powers of points that approach the boundary of the circle, but yeah, as I said, P on the circle kind of has to be treated separately.
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In the most-nuanced interpretation, the "power" of a point $P$ with respect to a circle $gamma$ is a signed value:
$$operatorname{pow}_gamma (P) = p^2-r^2 tag{1}$$
where $r$ is the circle's radius, and $p$ is the distance from $P$ to the circle's center. This power value is positive for $P$ outside $gamma$ (ie, $p>r$), negative for $P$ inside ($p<r$), and zero for $P$ on the circumference ($p=r$). This trichotomy typically invites breaking the proof that "the power equals product of distances from $P$ to collinear intersections with $gamma$" into cases, to avoid introducing "signed distances" into the argument.





Coordinate geometry doesn't discriminate against signed distances, so let's take a look at a quick argument there. Let $gamma$ be centered at the origin, so that its equation is
$$x^2+y^2=r^2 tag{2}$$
Let $P$ have coordinates $(p,0)$, and suppose a line through $P$ makes an angle $theta$ with the $x$; we can describe the points on this line by
$$P + t,(,costheta, sintheta,) tag{3}$$
where $t$ amounts to the signed distance along that line $P$. (Points in one direction along the line have positive distances; points in the other direction have negative distances.) To find the points where the line meets the circle, we merely substitute the coordinates from $(3)$ into $(2)$.
$$(p+tcostheta)^2 + (0+tsintheta)^2 = r^2 qquadtoqquad t^2 + 2 p t costheta + p^2-r^2 = 0 tag{4}$$
By Vieta's formula (or by solving the quadratic and multiplying), we find that the product of the roots of $(4)$ is the constant term. This says exactly that




The product of the signed distances from $P$ to collinear points of intersection with $gamma$ is $p^2-r^2$ (which is to say, the power of $P$ with respect to $gamma$).




The reader should note that, if $P$ is inside the circle, then $P$ is between the points of intersection; thus, those points have oppositely-signed distances from $P$, making the product of those distances negative. Contrariwise, if $P$ is outside the circle, the points have same-signed distances, making the product positive. Finally, for $P$ on the circle, at least one of those distances is $0$, making the product $0$, too.






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    The power of a circle $ x^2+y^2+2fx+2gy+P=0$ is $P$ with respect to the origin.



    It is positive if the origin/pole is outside and negative if inside ( according as $ (h>a,, h<a,) $ and zero if on the boundary. It is obtained when we set $x=0,y=0 $ intact with its sign in the above circle equation.



    The product of line segments ( Euclidean definition) in a circle is signed as per a convention.



    The definition you have given is for absolute values of length segments and stated so so to include both signs.



    The definition of sign of power $P$ follows a convention, taken negative when pole/origin is inside the boundary. No need of a proof for any convention.It can be extended to other curves also.



    We can draw analogies from physics. In Electrostatics for example we have a set of orthogonal $(tau,sigma) $ (red,blue) Bipolar Coords as Apollonian Circles representing lines of force and equipotential lines originating from real and imaginary parts of a single function of a complex variable $ w= coth (z)$ placed with respect to a common origin and an arbitrary sign for their power.



    In Mechanics too Mohr curvature Circle representation of Gauss curvature is of positive sign when both principal curvatures translate as positive power and negative total curvature product for principal curvatures of opposite sign. (Synclastic/Anticlastic geometries).



    Hope this does not complicate the matter further :) ..



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      In the most-nuanced interpretation, the "power" of a point $P$ with respect to a circle $gamma$ is a signed value:
      $$operatorname{pow}_gamma (P) = p^2-r^2 tag{1}$$
      where $r$ is the circle's radius, and $p$ is the distance from $P$ to the circle's center. This power value is positive for $P$ outside $gamma$ (ie, $p>r$), negative for $P$ inside ($p<r$), and zero for $P$ on the circumference ($p=r$). This trichotomy typically invites breaking the proof that "the power equals product of distances from $P$ to collinear intersections with $gamma$" into cases, to avoid introducing "signed distances" into the argument.





      Coordinate geometry doesn't discriminate against signed distances, so let's take a look at a quick argument there. Let $gamma$ be centered at the origin, so that its equation is
      $$x^2+y^2=r^2 tag{2}$$
      Let $P$ have coordinates $(p,0)$, and suppose a line through $P$ makes an angle $theta$ with the $x$; we can describe the points on this line by
      $$P + t,(,costheta, sintheta,) tag{3}$$
      where $t$ amounts to the signed distance along that line $P$. (Points in one direction along the line have positive distances; points in the other direction have negative distances.) To find the points where the line meets the circle, we merely substitute the coordinates from $(3)$ into $(2)$.
      $$(p+tcostheta)^2 + (0+tsintheta)^2 = r^2 qquadtoqquad t^2 + 2 p t costheta + p^2-r^2 = 0 tag{4}$$
      By Vieta's formula (or by solving the quadratic and multiplying), we find that the product of the roots of $(4)$ is the constant term. This says exactly that




      The product of the signed distances from $P$ to collinear points of intersection with $gamma$ is $p^2-r^2$ (which is to say, the power of $P$ with respect to $gamma$).




      The reader should note that, if $P$ is inside the circle, then $P$ is between the points of intersection; thus, those points have oppositely-signed distances from $P$, making the product of those distances negative. Contrariwise, if $P$ is outside the circle, the points have same-signed distances, making the product positive. Finally, for $P$ on the circle, at least one of those distances is $0$, making the product $0$, too.






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        $begingroup$

        In the most-nuanced interpretation, the "power" of a point $P$ with respect to a circle $gamma$ is a signed value:
        $$operatorname{pow}_gamma (P) = p^2-r^2 tag{1}$$
        where $r$ is the circle's radius, and $p$ is the distance from $P$ to the circle's center. This power value is positive for $P$ outside $gamma$ (ie, $p>r$), negative for $P$ inside ($p<r$), and zero for $P$ on the circumference ($p=r$). This trichotomy typically invites breaking the proof that "the power equals product of distances from $P$ to collinear intersections with $gamma$" into cases, to avoid introducing "signed distances" into the argument.





        Coordinate geometry doesn't discriminate against signed distances, so let's take a look at a quick argument there. Let $gamma$ be centered at the origin, so that its equation is
        $$x^2+y^2=r^2 tag{2}$$
        Let $P$ have coordinates $(p,0)$, and suppose a line through $P$ makes an angle $theta$ with the $x$; we can describe the points on this line by
        $$P + t,(,costheta, sintheta,) tag{3}$$
        where $t$ amounts to the signed distance along that line $P$. (Points in one direction along the line have positive distances; points in the other direction have negative distances.) To find the points where the line meets the circle, we merely substitute the coordinates from $(3)$ into $(2)$.
        $$(p+tcostheta)^2 + (0+tsintheta)^2 = r^2 qquadtoqquad t^2 + 2 p t costheta + p^2-r^2 = 0 tag{4}$$
        By Vieta's formula (or by solving the quadratic and multiplying), we find that the product of the roots of $(4)$ is the constant term. This says exactly that




        The product of the signed distances from $P$ to collinear points of intersection with $gamma$ is $p^2-r^2$ (which is to say, the power of $P$ with respect to $gamma$).




        The reader should note that, if $P$ is inside the circle, then $P$ is between the points of intersection; thus, those points have oppositely-signed distances from $P$, making the product of those distances negative. Contrariwise, if $P$ is outside the circle, the points have same-signed distances, making the product positive. Finally, for $P$ on the circle, at least one of those distances is $0$, making the product $0$, too.






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          $begingroup$

          In the most-nuanced interpretation, the "power" of a point $P$ with respect to a circle $gamma$ is a signed value:
          $$operatorname{pow}_gamma (P) = p^2-r^2 tag{1}$$
          where $r$ is the circle's radius, and $p$ is the distance from $P$ to the circle's center. This power value is positive for $P$ outside $gamma$ (ie, $p>r$), negative for $P$ inside ($p<r$), and zero for $P$ on the circumference ($p=r$). This trichotomy typically invites breaking the proof that "the power equals product of distances from $P$ to collinear intersections with $gamma$" into cases, to avoid introducing "signed distances" into the argument.





          Coordinate geometry doesn't discriminate against signed distances, so let's take a look at a quick argument there. Let $gamma$ be centered at the origin, so that its equation is
          $$x^2+y^2=r^2 tag{2}$$
          Let $P$ have coordinates $(p,0)$, and suppose a line through $P$ makes an angle $theta$ with the $x$; we can describe the points on this line by
          $$P + t,(,costheta, sintheta,) tag{3}$$
          where $t$ amounts to the signed distance along that line $P$. (Points in one direction along the line have positive distances; points in the other direction have negative distances.) To find the points where the line meets the circle, we merely substitute the coordinates from $(3)$ into $(2)$.
          $$(p+tcostheta)^2 + (0+tsintheta)^2 = r^2 qquadtoqquad t^2 + 2 p t costheta + p^2-r^2 = 0 tag{4}$$
          By Vieta's formula (or by solving the quadratic and multiplying), we find that the product of the roots of $(4)$ is the constant term. This says exactly that




          The product of the signed distances from $P$ to collinear points of intersection with $gamma$ is $p^2-r^2$ (which is to say, the power of $P$ with respect to $gamma$).




          The reader should note that, if $P$ is inside the circle, then $P$ is between the points of intersection; thus, those points have oppositely-signed distances from $P$, making the product of those distances negative. Contrariwise, if $P$ is outside the circle, the points have same-signed distances, making the product positive. Finally, for $P$ on the circle, at least one of those distances is $0$, making the product $0$, too.






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          In the most-nuanced interpretation, the "power" of a point $P$ with respect to a circle $gamma$ is a signed value:
          $$operatorname{pow}_gamma (P) = p^2-r^2 tag{1}$$
          where $r$ is the circle's radius, and $p$ is the distance from $P$ to the circle's center. This power value is positive for $P$ outside $gamma$ (ie, $p>r$), negative for $P$ inside ($p<r$), and zero for $P$ on the circumference ($p=r$). This trichotomy typically invites breaking the proof that "the power equals product of distances from $P$ to collinear intersections with $gamma$" into cases, to avoid introducing "signed distances" into the argument.





          Coordinate geometry doesn't discriminate against signed distances, so let's take a look at a quick argument there. Let $gamma$ be centered at the origin, so that its equation is
          $$x^2+y^2=r^2 tag{2}$$
          Let $P$ have coordinates $(p,0)$, and suppose a line through $P$ makes an angle $theta$ with the $x$; we can describe the points on this line by
          $$P + t,(,costheta, sintheta,) tag{3}$$
          where $t$ amounts to the signed distance along that line $P$. (Points in one direction along the line have positive distances; points in the other direction have negative distances.) To find the points where the line meets the circle, we merely substitute the coordinates from $(3)$ into $(2)$.
          $$(p+tcostheta)^2 + (0+tsintheta)^2 = r^2 qquadtoqquad t^2 + 2 p t costheta + p^2-r^2 = 0 tag{4}$$
          By Vieta's formula (or by solving the quadratic and multiplying), we find that the product of the roots of $(4)$ is the constant term. This says exactly that




          The product of the signed distances from $P$ to collinear points of intersection with $gamma$ is $p^2-r^2$ (which is to say, the power of $P$ with respect to $gamma$).




          The reader should note that, if $P$ is inside the circle, then $P$ is between the points of intersection; thus, those points have oppositely-signed distances from $P$, making the product of those distances negative. Contrariwise, if $P$ is outside the circle, the points have same-signed distances, making the product positive. Finally, for $P$ on the circle, at least one of those distances is $0$, making the product $0$, too.







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              The power of a circle $ x^2+y^2+2fx+2gy+P=0$ is $P$ with respect to the origin.



              It is positive if the origin/pole is outside and negative if inside ( according as $ (h>a,, h<a,) $ and zero if on the boundary. It is obtained when we set $x=0,y=0 $ intact with its sign in the above circle equation.



              The product of line segments ( Euclidean definition) in a circle is signed as per a convention.



              The definition you have given is for absolute values of length segments and stated so so to include both signs.



              The definition of sign of power $P$ follows a convention, taken negative when pole/origin is inside the boundary. No need of a proof for any convention.It can be extended to other curves also.



              We can draw analogies from physics. In Electrostatics for example we have a set of orthogonal $(tau,sigma) $ (red,blue) Bipolar Coords as Apollonian Circles representing lines of force and equipotential lines originating from real and imaginary parts of a single function of a complex variable $ w= coth (z)$ placed with respect to a common origin and an arbitrary sign for their power.



              In Mechanics too Mohr curvature Circle representation of Gauss curvature is of positive sign when both principal curvatures translate as positive power and negative total curvature product for principal curvatures of opposite sign. (Synclastic/Anticlastic geometries).



              Hope this does not complicate the matter further :) ..



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                $begingroup$

                The power of a circle $ x^2+y^2+2fx+2gy+P=0$ is $P$ with respect to the origin.



                It is positive if the origin/pole is outside and negative if inside ( according as $ (h>a,, h<a,) $ and zero if on the boundary. It is obtained when we set $x=0,y=0 $ intact with its sign in the above circle equation.



                The product of line segments ( Euclidean definition) in a circle is signed as per a convention.



                The definition you have given is for absolute values of length segments and stated so so to include both signs.



                The definition of sign of power $P$ follows a convention, taken negative when pole/origin is inside the boundary. No need of a proof for any convention.It can be extended to other curves also.



                We can draw analogies from physics. In Electrostatics for example we have a set of orthogonal $(tau,sigma) $ (red,blue) Bipolar Coords as Apollonian Circles representing lines of force and equipotential lines originating from real and imaginary parts of a single function of a complex variable $ w= coth (z)$ placed with respect to a common origin and an arbitrary sign for their power.



                In Mechanics too Mohr curvature Circle representation of Gauss curvature is of positive sign when both principal curvatures translate as positive power and negative total curvature product for principal curvatures of opposite sign. (Synclastic/Anticlastic geometries).



                Hope this does not complicate the matter further :) ..



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                  $begingroup$

                  The power of a circle $ x^2+y^2+2fx+2gy+P=0$ is $P$ with respect to the origin.



                  It is positive if the origin/pole is outside and negative if inside ( according as $ (h>a,, h<a,) $ and zero if on the boundary. It is obtained when we set $x=0,y=0 $ intact with its sign in the above circle equation.



                  The product of line segments ( Euclidean definition) in a circle is signed as per a convention.



                  The definition you have given is for absolute values of length segments and stated so so to include both signs.



                  The definition of sign of power $P$ follows a convention, taken negative when pole/origin is inside the boundary. No need of a proof for any convention.It can be extended to other curves also.



                  We can draw analogies from physics. In Electrostatics for example we have a set of orthogonal $(tau,sigma) $ (red,blue) Bipolar Coords as Apollonian Circles representing lines of force and equipotential lines originating from real and imaginary parts of a single function of a complex variable $ w= coth (z)$ placed with respect to a common origin and an arbitrary sign for their power.



                  In Mechanics too Mohr curvature Circle representation of Gauss curvature is of positive sign when both principal curvatures translate as positive power and negative total curvature product for principal curvatures of opposite sign. (Synclastic/Anticlastic geometries).



                  Hope this does not complicate the matter further :) ..



                  Power of Circle






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                  The power of a circle $ x^2+y^2+2fx+2gy+P=0$ is $P$ with respect to the origin.



                  It is positive if the origin/pole is outside and negative if inside ( according as $ (h>a,, h<a,) $ and zero if on the boundary. It is obtained when we set $x=0,y=0 $ intact with its sign in the above circle equation.



                  The product of line segments ( Euclidean definition) in a circle is signed as per a convention.



                  The definition you have given is for absolute values of length segments and stated so so to include both signs.



                  The definition of sign of power $P$ follows a convention, taken negative when pole/origin is inside the boundary. No need of a proof for any convention.It can be extended to other curves also.



                  We can draw analogies from physics. In Electrostatics for example we have a set of orthogonal $(tau,sigma) $ (red,blue) Bipolar Coords as Apollonian Circles representing lines of force and equipotential lines originating from real and imaginary parts of a single function of a complex variable $ w= coth (z)$ placed with respect to a common origin and an arbitrary sign for their power.



                  In Mechanics too Mohr curvature Circle representation of Gauss curvature is of positive sign when both principal curvatures translate as positive power and negative total curvature product for principal curvatures of opposite sign. (Synclastic/Anticlastic geometries).



                  Hope this does not complicate the matter further :) ..



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