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For all integers $n>1$ there are positive integers $a,b$ such that $a+b=n$ and such that $a+ab+binmathbb P$.
Tested for all $nleq 1,000,000$. Hopefully, someone can explore and explain the heuristics about this conjecture.





This question is related to:
Any odd number is of form $a+b$ where $a^2+b^2$ is prime
Does every power of two arise as the difference of two primes?
Most even numbers is a sum $a+b+c+d$ where $a^2+b^2+c^2=d^2$
Natural numbers large enough can be written as $ab+ac+bc$ for some $a,b,c>0$
${a+b|a,binmathbb N^+wedge ma^2+nb^2inmathbb P}={k>1|gcd(k,m+n)=1}$
Even numbers has the form $a+b$ where $frac{a^2+b^2}{2}$ is prime
Is every positive integer greater than $2$ the sum of a prime and two squares?



It's about a relation $Rsubseteq mathbb N^m$, a function
$f:mathbb N^mto mathbb N$, and an image of a restriction
$operatorname{Im}(f|R)$.

In Goldbachs conjecture the relation is $p,qinmathbb P$, the function is $(p,q)mapsto p+q$ and the image of the restriction is
$2mathbb Nsetminus{2}$.



Maybe some of the conjectures can be generalized?










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    Equivalently, you conjecture that for every positive integer $n>1$ there exists a positive integer $a<n$ such that $$a+a(n-a)+(n-a)=-a^2+na+n,$$ is prime.
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    If we put it in other terms you are claimin for all $n$ there is a prime equal go $n + (n-a)a$ for some $a$.
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    Dec 5 '18 at 20:45






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    Calling $A=a+1$, and $B=b+1$, this is equivalent on saying that for all $N$ there exist positive integers $A,B ge 2$ such that $A+B=N$, and $AB-1$ is prime.
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    Where did this conjecture come from? What is special about the expression $a+ab+b$?
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    Dec 5 '18 at 21:49
















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For all integers $n>1$ there are positive integers $a,b$ such that $a+b=n$ and such that $a+ab+binmathbb P$.
Tested for all $nleq 1,000,000$. Hopefully, someone can explore and explain the heuristics about this conjecture.





This question is related to:
Any odd number is of form $a+b$ where $a^2+b^2$ is prime
Does every power of two arise as the difference of two primes?
Most even numbers is a sum $a+b+c+d$ where $a^2+b^2+c^2=d^2$
Natural numbers large enough can be written as $ab+ac+bc$ for some $a,b,c>0$
${a+b|a,binmathbb N^+wedge ma^2+nb^2inmathbb P}={k>1|gcd(k,m+n)=1}$
Even numbers has the form $a+b$ where $frac{a^2+b^2}{2}$ is prime
Is every positive integer greater than $2$ the sum of a prime and two squares?



It's about a relation $Rsubseteq mathbb N^m$, a function
$f:mathbb N^mto mathbb N$, and an image of a restriction
$operatorname{Im}(f|R)$.

In Goldbachs conjecture the relation is $p,qinmathbb P$, the function is $(p,q)mapsto p+q$ and the image of the restriction is
$2mathbb Nsetminus{2}$.



Maybe some of the conjectures can be generalized?










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    $begingroup$
    Equivalently, you conjecture that for every positive integer $n>1$ there exists a positive integer $a<n$ such that $$a+a(n-a)+(n-a)=-a^2+na+n,$$ is prime.
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    – Servaes
    Dec 5 '18 at 20:06








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    If we put it in other terms you are claimin for all $n$ there is a prime equal go $n + (n-a)a$ for some $a$.
    $endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Dec 5 '18 at 20:45






  • 3




    $begingroup$
    Calling $A=a+1$, and $B=b+1$, this is equivalent on saying that for all $N$ there exist positive integers $A,B ge 2$ such that $A+B=N$, and $AB-1$ is prime.
    $endgroup$
    – Crostul
    Dec 5 '18 at 21:44








  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Where did this conjecture come from? What is special about the expression $a+ab+b$?
    $endgroup$
    – Servaes
    Dec 5 '18 at 21:49














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For all integers $n>1$ there are positive integers $a,b$ such that $a+b=n$ and such that $a+ab+binmathbb P$.
Tested for all $nleq 1,000,000$. Hopefully, someone can explore and explain the heuristics about this conjecture.





This question is related to:
Any odd number is of form $a+b$ where $a^2+b^2$ is prime
Does every power of two arise as the difference of two primes?
Most even numbers is a sum $a+b+c+d$ where $a^2+b^2+c^2=d^2$
Natural numbers large enough can be written as $ab+ac+bc$ for some $a,b,c>0$
${a+b|a,binmathbb N^+wedge ma^2+nb^2inmathbb P}={k>1|gcd(k,m+n)=1}$
Even numbers has the form $a+b$ where $frac{a^2+b^2}{2}$ is prime
Is every positive integer greater than $2$ the sum of a prime and two squares?



It's about a relation $Rsubseteq mathbb N^m$, a function
$f:mathbb N^mto mathbb N$, and an image of a restriction
$operatorname{Im}(f|R)$.

In Goldbachs conjecture the relation is $p,qinmathbb P$, the function is $(p,q)mapsto p+q$ and the image of the restriction is
$2mathbb Nsetminus{2}$.



Maybe some of the conjectures can be generalized?










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For all integers $n>1$ there are positive integers $a,b$ such that $a+b=n$ and such that $a+ab+binmathbb P$.
Tested for all $nleq 1,000,000$. Hopefully, someone can explore and explain the heuristics about this conjecture.





This question is related to:
Any odd number is of form $a+b$ where $a^2+b^2$ is prime
Does every power of two arise as the difference of two primes?
Most even numbers is a sum $a+b+c+d$ where $a^2+b^2+c^2=d^2$
Natural numbers large enough can be written as $ab+ac+bc$ for some $a,b,c>0$
${a+b|a,binmathbb N^+wedge ma^2+nb^2inmathbb P}={k>1|gcd(k,m+n)=1}$
Even numbers has the form $a+b$ where $frac{a^2+b^2}{2}$ is prime
Is every positive integer greater than $2$ the sum of a prime and two squares?



It's about a relation $Rsubseteq mathbb N^m$, a function
$f:mathbb N^mto mathbb N$, and an image of a restriction
$operatorname{Im}(f|R)$.

In Goldbachs conjecture the relation is $p,qinmathbb P$, the function is $(p,q)mapsto p+q$ and the image of the restriction is
$2mathbb Nsetminus{2}$.



Maybe some of the conjectures can be generalized?







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    Equivalently, you conjecture that for every positive integer $n>1$ there exists a positive integer $a<n$ such that $$a+a(n-a)+(n-a)=-a^2+na+n,$$ is prime.
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    – Servaes
    Dec 5 '18 at 20:06








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    $begingroup$
    If we put it in other terms you are claimin for all $n$ there is a prime equal go $n + (n-a)a$ for some $a$.
    $endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Dec 5 '18 at 20:45






  • 3




    $begingroup$
    Calling $A=a+1$, and $B=b+1$, this is equivalent on saying that for all $N$ there exist positive integers $A,B ge 2$ such that $A+B=N$, and $AB-1$ is prime.
    $endgroup$
    – Crostul
    Dec 5 '18 at 21:44








  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Where did this conjecture come from? What is special about the expression $a+ab+b$?
    $endgroup$
    – Servaes
    Dec 5 '18 at 21:49














  • 1




    $begingroup$
    Equivalently, you conjecture that for every positive integer $n>1$ there exists a positive integer $a<n$ such that $$a+a(n-a)+(n-a)=-a^2+na+n,$$ is prime.
    $endgroup$
    – Servaes
    Dec 5 '18 at 20:06








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    $begingroup$
    If we put it in other terms you are claimin for all $n$ there is a prime equal go $n + (n-a)a$ for some $a$.
    $endgroup$
    – fleablood
    Dec 5 '18 at 20:45






  • 3




    $begingroup$
    Calling $A=a+1$, and $B=b+1$, this is equivalent on saying that for all $N$ there exist positive integers $A,B ge 2$ such that $A+B=N$, and $AB-1$ is prime.
    $endgroup$
    – Crostul
    Dec 5 '18 at 21:44








  • 2




    $begingroup$
    Where did this conjecture come from? What is special about the expression $a+ab+b$?
    $endgroup$
    – Servaes
    Dec 5 '18 at 21:49








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Equivalently, you conjecture that for every positive integer $n>1$ there exists a positive integer $a<n$ such that $$a+a(n-a)+(n-a)=-a^2+na+n,$$ is prime.
$endgroup$
– Servaes
Dec 5 '18 at 20:06






$begingroup$
Equivalently, you conjecture that for every positive integer $n>1$ there exists a positive integer $a<n$ such that $$a+a(n-a)+(n-a)=-a^2+na+n,$$ is prime.
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– Servaes
Dec 5 '18 at 20:06






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If we put it in other terms you are claimin for all $n$ there is a prime equal go $n + (n-a)a$ for some $a$.
$endgroup$
– fleablood
Dec 5 '18 at 20:45




$begingroup$
If we put it in other terms you are claimin for all $n$ there is a prime equal go $n + (n-a)a$ for some $a$.
$endgroup$
– fleablood
Dec 5 '18 at 20:45




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Calling $A=a+1$, and $B=b+1$, this is equivalent on saying that for all $N$ there exist positive integers $A,B ge 2$ such that $A+B=N$, and $AB-1$ is prime.
$endgroup$
– Crostul
Dec 5 '18 at 21:44






$begingroup$
Calling $A=a+1$, and $B=b+1$, this is equivalent on saying that for all $N$ there exist positive integers $A,B ge 2$ such that $A+B=N$, and $AB-1$ is prime.
$endgroup$
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Dec 5 '18 at 21:44






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Where did this conjecture come from? What is special about the expression $a+ab+b$?
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– Servaes
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This is only a partial answer. Reformulating according to the comment of Crostul, we want to find $AB-1 in mathbb P$. Other than the even prime $2$, all primes are odd, so at least one of $A,B$ must be even. For $A+B=N, Nge 6$, any prime generated will have the form $6mpm 1$. So it is necessary (but not sufficient) that for every $N$, there are some $A,B$ such that $AB-1=6mpm 1$ for the conjecture to be true.



$AB-1=6mpm 1Rightarrow ABequiv (0,2) mod{6}$. Any $Nge 6$ can be split into two addends with that property. The following table lists values of residues $mod{6}$ for $N,A,B$ that satisfy $N=A+Bmod{6}$ and $ABequiv (0,2) mod{6}$ (up to the order of $A,B$).



$$begin{array}{ccc}
N&A&B \
0&0&0 \
&2&4 \ \
1&0&1 \
&3&4 \ \
2&0&2 \
3&0&3 \
&1&2 \
&4&5 \ \
4&0&4 \
5&0&5 \
&2&3 \
end{array}$$



This shows that any $N$ can be split into addends $A,B$ such that $ABequiv (0,2) mod{6}$. In every case, it is possible to obtain addends such that $ABequiv 0 mod{6}$. Interestingly, only for $Nequiv (0,3)mod6 Rightarrow Nequiv 0 mod3$ is it possible to obtain addends such that $ABequiv 2 mod{6}$. This means that $AB-1$ can generate numbers of the form $6m-1$ from any $N$, but can generate numbers of the form $6m+1$ only if $Nequiv 0mod3$. It remains open at this point whether the numbers of the form $6mpm 1$ obtained from a particular $N$ will necessarily feature a prime.






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    Idea: Let $$a+b+ab =pin mathbb{P}$$



    then $$n = {a^2+pover a+1}= a-1+{p+1over a+1}$$



    So if we take such $p$ and $a$ that $a+1mid p+1$ and $a<n$ then $b={p-aover a+1}$.





    Question here is if such $p$ and $a$ alway exist.






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    This is only a partial answer. Reformulating according to the comment of Crostul, we want to find $AB-1 in mathbb P$. Other than the even prime $2$, all primes are odd, so at least one of $A,B$ must be even. For $A+B=N, Nge 6$, any prime generated will have the form $6mpm 1$. So it is necessary (but not sufficient) that for every $N$, there are some $A,B$ such that $AB-1=6mpm 1$ for the conjecture to be true.



    $AB-1=6mpm 1Rightarrow ABequiv (0,2) mod{6}$. Any $Nge 6$ can be split into two addends with that property. The following table lists values of residues $mod{6}$ for $N,A,B$ that satisfy $N=A+Bmod{6}$ and $ABequiv (0,2) mod{6}$ (up to the order of $A,B$).



    $$begin{array}{ccc}
    N&A&B \
    0&0&0 \
    &2&4 \ \
    1&0&1 \
    &3&4 \ \
    2&0&2 \
    3&0&3 \
    &1&2 \
    &4&5 \ \
    4&0&4 \
    5&0&5 \
    &2&3 \
    end{array}$$



    This shows that any $N$ can be split into addends $A,B$ such that $ABequiv (0,2) mod{6}$. In every case, it is possible to obtain addends such that $ABequiv 0 mod{6}$. Interestingly, only for $Nequiv (0,3)mod6 Rightarrow Nequiv 0 mod3$ is it possible to obtain addends such that $ABequiv 2 mod{6}$. This means that $AB-1$ can generate numbers of the form $6m-1$ from any $N$, but can generate numbers of the form $6m+1$ only if $Nequiv 0mod3$. It remains open at this point whether the numbers of the form $6mpm 1$ obtained from a particular $N$ will necessarily feature a prime.






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      This is only a partial answer. Reformulating according to the comment of Crostul, we want to find $AB-1 in mathbb P$. Other than the even prime $2$, all primes are odd, so at least one of $A,B$ must be even. For $A+B=N, Nge 6$, any prime generated will have the form $6mpm 1$. So it is necessary (but not sufficient) that for every $N$, there are some $A,B$ such that $AB-1=6mpm 1$ for the conjecture to be true.



      $AB-1=6mpm 1Rightarrow ABequiv (0,2) mod{6}$. Any $Nge 6$ can be split into two addends with that property. The following table lists values of residues $mod{6}$ for $N,A,B$ that satisfy $N=A+Bmod{6}$ and $ABequiv (0,2) mod{6}$ (up to the order of $A,B$).



      $$begin{array}{ccc}
      N&A&B \
      0&0&0 \
      &2&4 \ \
      1&0&1 \
      &3&4 \ \
      2&0&2 \
      3&0&3 \
      &1&2 \
      &4&5 \ \
      4&0&4 \
      5&0&5 \
      &2&3 \
      end{array}$$



      This shows that any $N$ can be split into addends $A,B$ such that $ABequiv (0,2) mod{6}$. In every case, it is possible to obtain addends such that $ABequiv 0 mod{6}$. Interestingly, only for $Nequiv (0,3)mod6 Rightarrow Nequiv 0 mod3$ is it possible to obtain addends such that $ABequiv 2 mod{6}$. This means that $AB-1$ can generate numbers of the form $6m-1$ from any $N$, but can generate numbers of the form $6m+1$ only if $Nequiv 0mod3$. It remains open at this point whether the numbers of the form $6mpm 1$ obtained from a particular $N$ will necessarily feature a prime.






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        $begingroup$

        This is only a partial answer. Reformulating according to the comment of Crostul, we want to find $AB-1 in mathbb P$. Other than the even prime $2$, all primes are odd, so at least one of $A,B$ must be even. For $A+B=N, Nge 6$, any prime generated will have the form $6mpm 1$. So it is necessary (but not sufficient) that for every $N$, there are some $A,B$ such that $AB-1=6mpm 1$ for the conjecture to be true.



        $AB-1=6mpm 1Rightarrow ABequiv (0,2) mod{6}$. Any $Nge 6$ can be split into two addends with that property. The following table lists values of residues $mod{6}$ for $N,A,B$ that satisfy $N=A+Bmod{6}$ and $ABequiv (0,2) mod{6}$ (up to the order of $A,B$).



        $$begin{array}{ccc}
        N&A&B \
        0&0&0 \
        &2&4 \ \
        1&0&1 \
        &3&4 \ \
        2&0&2 \
        3&0&3 \
        &1&2 \
        &4&5 \ \
        4&0&4 \
        5&0&5 \
        &2&3 \
        end{array}$$



        This shows that any $N$ can be split into addends $A,B$ such that $ABequiv (0,2) mod{6}$. In every case, it is possible to obtain addends such that $ABequiv 0 mod{6}$. Interestingly, only for $Nequiv (0,3)mod6 Rightarrow Nequiv 0 mod3$ is it possible to obtain addends such that $ABequiv 2 mod{6}$. This means that $AB-1$ can generate numbers of the form $6m-1$ from any $N$, but can generate numbers of the form $6m+1$ only if $Nequiv 0mod3$. It remains open at this point whether the numbers of the form $6mpm 1$ obtained from a particular $N$ will necessarily feature a prime.






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        This is only a partial answer. Reformulating according to the comment of Crostul, we want to find $AB-1 in mathbb P$. Other than the even prime $2$, all primes are odd, so at least one of $A,B$ must be even. For $A+B=N, Nge 6$, any prime generated will have the form $6mpm 1$. So it is necessary (but not sufficient) that for every $N$, there are some $A,B$ such that $AB-1=6mpm 1$ for the conjecture to be true.



        $AB-1=6mpm 1Rightarrow ABequiv (0,2) mod{6}$. Any $Nge 6$ can be split into two addends with that property. The following table lists values of residues $mod{6}$ for $N,A,B$ that satisfy $N=A+Bmod{6}$ and $ABequiv (0,2) mod{6}$ (up to the order of $A,B$).



        $$begin{array}{ccc}
        N&A&B \
        0&0&0 \
        &2&4 \ \
        1&0&1 \
        &3&4 \ \
        2&0&2 \
        3&0&3 \
        &1&2 \
        &4&5 \ \
        4&0&4 \
        5&0&5 \
        &2&3 \
        end{array}$$



        This shows that any $N$ can be split into addends $A,B$ such that $ABequiv (0,2) mod{6}$. In every case, it is possible to obtain addends such that $ABequiv 0 mod{6}$. Interestingly, only for $Nequiv (0,3)mod6 Rightarrow Nequiv 0 mod3$ is it possible to obtain addends such that $ABequiv 2 mod{6}$. This means that $AB-1$ can generate numbers of the form $6m-1$ from any $N$, but can generate numbers of the form $6m+1$ only if $Nequiv 0mod3$. It remains open at this point whether the numbers of the form $6mpm 1$ obtained from a particular $N$ will necessarily feature a prime.







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            Idea: Let $$a+b+ab =pin mathbb{P}$$



            then $$n = {a^2+pover a+1}= a-1+{p+1over a+1}$$



            So if we take such $p$ and $a$ that $a+1mid p+1$ and $a<n$ then $b={p-aover a+1}$.





            Question here is if such $p$ and $a$ alway exist.






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              Nice idea, but far from an answer. Or am I missing something obvious?
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              -1 This is a comment, not an answer.
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            $begingroup$

            Idea: Let $$a+b+ab =pin mathbb{P}$$



            then $$n = {a^2+pover a+1}= a-1+{p+1over a+1}$$



            So if we take such $p$ and $a$ that $a+1mid p+1$ and $a<n$ then $b={p-aover a+1}$.





            Question here is if such $p$ and $a$ alway exist.






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              Nice idea, but far from an answer. Or am I missing something obvious?
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              – Servaes
              Dec 5 '18 at 20:12






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              -1 This is a comment, not an answer.
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            Idea: Let $$a+b+ab =pin mathbb{P}$$



            then $$n = {a^2+pover a+1}= a-1+{p+1over a+1}$$



            So if we take such $p$ and $a$ that $a+1mid p+1$ and $a<n$ then $b={p-aover a+1}$.





            Question here is if such $p$ and $a$ alway exist.






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            Idea: Let $$a+b+ab =pin mathbb{P}$$



            then $$n = {a^2+pover a+1}= a-1+{p+1over a+1}$$



            So if we take such $p$ and $a$ that $a+1mid p+1$ and $a<n$ then $b={p-aover a+1}$.





            Question here is if such $p$ and $a$ alway exist.







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              Nice idea, but far from an answer. Or am I missing something obvious?
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            • $begingroup$
              Nice idea, but far from an answer. Or am I missing something obvious?
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              Dec 5 '18 at 20:12






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            $begingroup$
            Nice idea, but far from an answer. Or am I missing something obvious?
            $endgroup$
            – Servaes
            Dec 5 '18 at 20:12




            $begingroup$
            Nice idea, but far from an answer. Or am I missing something obvious?
            $endgroup$
            – Servaes
            Dec 5 '18 at 20:12




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