Finding equation for conic section given five points












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Given the points $$(0,1),(0,-1),(2,0),(-2,0),(1,1)$$ find the equation for the conic section that passes through these points.



My attempt:



Using the general equation for a conic section, $$ax^2+bxy+cy^2+dx+ey+f=0$$ I inserted the points to make a system of 5 equations, which was reduced to the following, with $a$ as a free variable.



$$b=-a \c=4a \d=e=0 \f=-4a$$



Putting this into the general equation for a conic, I got $$ax^2-axy+4ay^2-4a=0 (1)$$



My question:



Can I determine which type of conic section this is? I read somewhere that I can determine it by finding out the sign of $b^2+4ac$, where I ended up with $b^2-4ac = -15a^2 < 0$ which is supposed to be an ellipse. However, I can't find my way back to the place where I read this. Looking at the points on a graph, it seems visually obvious that this is an ellipse. However, I can't prove it unless the mentioned method is valid.



If it really is an ellipse, how can I algebraically manipulate $(1)$ into the form most known for ellipses?










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    The form most known for ellipses has major and minor axes parallel to the $x$ and $y$ axes, and thus no cross term (i.e. $b = 0$). Without rotating the coordinate system there is no hope of writing this as $frac{(x-i)^2}{j} + frac{(y-k)^2}{l} = 1$
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    @Amzoti - Yes, there is the $b^2-4ac$ bit I was talking about. Using that calculator confirmed what I thought, but I still need to prove that $x^2-xy+4y^2-4=0$ represents an ellipse. Also, any non-zero $a$ will yield the same ellipse. This is obvious since you can factor it out from $(1)$.
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    @Arthur - You're right. Drawing the equation in Geogebra shows a slightly rotated ellipse. Could $(1)$ after factoring and striking $a neq 0$ be the answer to the problem?
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    Why not to use the method described in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
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    – Claude Leibovici
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    For finding the equation in the first place, solving is the system requires a guess about which variable to leave "free"; and, of course, there's all that solving work to do. Using the determinant mentioned in this answer, one generates the equation directly ... albeit with the work of expanding a $6times 6$ determinant.
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Problem:



Given the points $$(0,1),(0,-1),(2,0),(-2,0),(1,1)$$ find the equation for the conic section that passes through these points.



My attempt:



Using the general equation for a conic section, $$ax^2+bxy+cy^2+dx+ey+f=0$$ I inserted the points to make a system of 5 equations, which was reduced to the following, with $a$ as a free variable.



$$b=-a \c=4a \d=e=0 \f=-4a$$



Putting this into the general equation for a conic, I got $$ax^2-axy+4ay^2-4a=0 (1)$$



My question:



Can I determine which type of conic section this is? I read somewhere that I can determine it by finding out the sign of $b^2+4ac$, where I ended up with $b^2-4ac = -15a^2 < 0$ which is supposed to be an ellipse. However, I can't find my way back to the place where I read this. Looking at the points on a graph, it seems visually obvious that this is an ellipse. However, I can't prove it unless the mentioned method is valid.



If it really is an ellipse, how can I algebraically manipulate $(1)$ into the form most known for ellipses?










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  • $begingroup$
    The form most known for ellipses has major and minor axes parallel to the $x$ and $y$ axes, and thus no cross term (i.e. $b = 0$). Without rotating the coordinate system there is no hope of writing this as $frac{(x-i)^2}{j} + frac{(y-k)^2}{l} = 1$
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    – Arthur
    Jan 10 '15 at 1:52










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    @Amzoti - Yes, there is the $b^2-4ac$ bit I was talking about. Using that calculator confirmed what I thought, but I still need to prove that $x^2-xy+4y^2-4=0$ represents an ellipse. Also, any non-zero $a$ will yield the same ellipse. This is obvious since you can factor it out from $(1)$.
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    – Alec
    Jan 10 '15 at 2:14










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    @Arthur - You're right. Drawing the equation in Geogebra shows a slightly rotated ellipse. Could $(1)$ after factoring and striking $a neq 0$ be the answer to the problem?
    $endgroup$
    – Alec
    Jan 10 '15 at 2:16










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    Why not to use the method described in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
    $endgroup$
    – Claude Leibovici
    Jan 10 '15 at 4:23










  • $begingroup$
    For finding the equation in the first place, solving is the system requires a guess about which variable to leave "free"; and, of course, there's all that solving work to do. Using the determinant mentioned in this answer, one generates the equation directly ... albeit with the work of expanding a $6times 6$ determinant.
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    – Blue
    Aug 18 '18 at 16:04














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Problem:



Given the points $$(0,1),(0,-1),(2,0),(-2,0),(1,1)$$ find the equation for the conic section that passes through these points.



My attempt:



Using the general equation for a conic section, $$ax^2+bxy+cy^2+dx+ey+f=0$$ I inserted the points to make a system of 5 equations, which was reduced to the following, with $a$ as a free variable.



$$b=-a \c=4a \d=e=0 \f=-4a$$



Putting this into the general equation for a conic, I got $$ax^2-axy+4ay^2-4a=0 (1)$$



My question:



Can I determine which type of conic section this is? I read somewhere that I can determine it by finding out the sign of $b^2+4ac$, where I ended up with $b^2-4ac = -15a^2 < 0$ which is supposed to be an ellipse. However, I can't find my way back to the place where I read this. Looking at the points on a graph, it seems visually obvious that this is an ellipse. However, I can't prove it unless the mentioned method is valid.



If it really is an ellipse, how can I algebraically manipulate $(1)$ into the form most known for ellipses?










share|cite|improve this question









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Problem:



Given the points $$(0,1),(0,-1),(2,0),(-2,0),(1,1)$$ find the equation for the conic section that passes through these points.



My attempt:



Using the general equation for a conic section, $$ax^2+bxy+cy^2+dx+ey+f=0$$ I inserted the points to make a system of 5 equations, which was reduced to the following, with $a$ as a free variable.



$$b=-a \c=4a \d=e=0 \f=-4a$$



Putting this into the general equation for a conic, I got $$ax^2-axy+4ay^2-4a=0 (1)$$



My question:



Can I determine which type of conic section this is? I read somewhere that I can determine it by finding out the sign of $b^2+4ac$, where I ended up with $b^2-4ac = -15a^2 < 0$ which is supposed to be an ellipse. However, I can't find my way back to the place where I read this. Looking at the points on a graph, it seems visually obvious that this is an ellipse. However, I can't prove it unless the mentioned method is valid.



If it really is an ellipse, how can I algebraically manipulate $(1)$ into the form most known for ellipses?







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    The form most known for ellipses has major and minor axes parallel to the $x$ and $y$ axes, and thus no cross term (i.e. $b = 0$). Without rotating the coordinate system there is no hope of writing this as $frac{(x-i)^2}{j} + frac{(y-k)^2}{l} = 1$
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    – Arthur
    Jan 10 '15 at 1:52










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    @Amzoti - Yes, there is the $b^2-4ac$ bit I was talking about. Using that calculator confirmed what I thought, but I still need to prove that $x^2-xy+4y^2-4=0$ represents an ellipse. Also, any non-zero $a$ will yield the same ellipse. This is obvious since you can factor it out from $(1)$.
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    – Alec
    Jan 10 '15 at 2:14










  • $begingroup$
    @Arthur - You're right. Drawing the equation in Geogebra shows a slightly rotated ellipse. Could $(1)$ after factoring and striking $a neq 0$ be the answer to the problem?
    $endgroup$
    – Alec
    Jan 10 '15 at 2:16










  • $begingroup$
    Why not to use the method described in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
    $endgroup$
    – Claude Leibovici
    Jan 10 '15 at 4:23










  • $begingroup$
    For finding the equation in the first place, solving is the system requires a guess about which variable to leave "free"; and, of course, there's all that solving work to do. Using the determinant mentioned in this answer, one generates the equation directly ... albeit with the work of expanding a $6times 6$ determinant.
    $endgroup$
    – Blue
    Aug 18 '18 at 16:04


















  • $begingroup$
    The form most known for ellipses has major and minor axes parallel to the $x$ and $y$ axes, and thus no cross term (i.e. $b = 0$). Without rotating the coordinate system there is no hope of writing this as $frac{(x-i)^2}{j} + frac{(y-k)^2}{l} = 1$
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    – Arthur
    Jan 10 '15 at 1:52










  • $begingroup$
    @Amzoti - Yes, there is the $b^2-4ac$ bit I was talking about. Using that calculator confirmed what I thought, but I still need to prove that $x^2-xy+4y^2-4=0$ represents an ellipse. Also, any non-zero $a$ will yield the same ellipse. This is obvious since you can factor it out from $(1)$.
    $endgroup$
    – Alec
    Jan 10 '15 at 2:14










  • $begingroup$
    @Arthur - You're right. Drawing the equation in Geogebra shows a slightly rotated ellipse. Could $(1)$ after factoring and striking $a neq 0$ be the answer to the problem?
    $endgroup$
    – Alec
    Jan 10 '15 at 2:16










  • $begingroup$
    Why not to use the method described in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
    $endgroup$
    – Claude Leibovici
    Jan 10 '15 at 4:23










  • $begingroup$
    For finding the equation in the first place, solving is the system requires a guess about which variable to leave "free"; and, of course, there's all that solving work to do. Using the determinant mentioned in this answer, one generates the equation directly ... albeit with the work of expanding a $6times 6$ determinant.
    $endgroup$
    – Blue
    Aug 18 '18 at 16:04
















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The form most known for ellipses has major and minor axes parallel to the $x$ and $y$ axes, and thus no cross term (i.e. $b = 0$). Without rotating the coordinate system there is no hope of writing this as $frac{(x-i)^2}{j} + frac{(y-k)^2}{l} = 1$
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– Arthur
Jan 10 '15 at 1:52




$begingroup$
The form most known for ellipses has major and minor axes parallel to the $x$ and $y$ axes, and thus no cross term (i.e. $b = 0$). Without rotating the coordinate system there is no hope of writing this as $frac{(x-i)^2}{j} + frac{(y-k)^2}{l} = 1$
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– Arthur
Jan 10 '15 at 1:52












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@Amzoti - Yes, there is the $b^2-4ac$ bit I was talking about. Using that calculator confirmed what I thought, but I still need to prove that $x^2-xy+4y^2-4=0$ represents an ellipse. Also, any non-zero $a$ will yield the same ellipse. This is obvious since you can factor it out from $(1)$.
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– Alec
Jan 10 '15 at 2:14




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@Amzoti - Yes, there is the $b^2-4ac$ bit I was talking about. Using that calculator confirmed what I thought, but I still need to prove that $x^2-xy+4y^2-4=0$ represents an ellipse. Also, any non-zero $a$ will yield the same ellipse. This is obvious since you can factor it out from $(1)$.
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– Alec
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@Arthur - You're right. Drawing the equation in Geogebra shows a slightly rotated ellipse. Could $(1)$ after factoring and striking $a neq 0$ be the answer to the problem?
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– Alec
Jan 10 '15 at 2:16




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@Arthur - You're right. Drawing the equation in Geogebra shows a slightly rotated ellipse. Could $(1)$ after factoring and striking $a neq 0$ be the answer to the problem?
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– Alec
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Why not to use the method described in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
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– Claude Leibovici
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Why not to use the method described in en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…
$endgroup$
– Claude Leibovici
Jan 10 '15 at 4:23












$begingroup$
For finding the equation in the first place, solving is the system requires a guess about which variable to leave "free"; and, of course, there's all that solving work to do. Using the determinant mentioned in this answer, one generates the equation directly ... albeit with the work of expanding a $6times 6$ determinant.
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– Blue
Aug 18 '18 at 16:04




$begingroup$
For finding the equation in the first place, solving is the system requires a guess about which variable to leave "free"; and, of course, there's all that solving work to do. Using the determinant mentioned in this answer, one generates the equation directly ... albeit with the work of expanding a $6times 6$ determinant.
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Any second-degree curve equation can be written as

$$Ax^2+Bxy+Cy^2+Dx+Ey+F=0tag{1}$$
or
$$ax^2+2hxy+by^2+2gx+2fy+c=0tag{2}$$
where $$A,B,C,D,E,E,a,b,c,f,g,hin mathbb R$$


To find type of conic and nature of conic we use $Delta$ and is given by

$$Delta=
left|
begin{array}
&a&h&g\
h&b&f\
g&f&c\
end{array}
right|
=abc+2fgh-af^2-bg^2-ch^2tag{3}
$$



If $Delta$ is Zero, it represents a degenerate conic section, otherwise, it represents a non-degenerate conic section.


Also, the type of conic section that the above equation represents can be found using the discriminant of the equation, which is given by $B^2-4AC$.



Conditions regarding the quadratic discriminant are as follows:



If $Delta=0$:


$bullet$ If $h^2-ab gt 0$, the equation represents two distinct real lines.

$bullet$ If $h^2-ab=0$, the equation represents parallel lines.

$bullet$ If $h^2-ab lt 0$, the equation represents non-real lines.



If $Delta neq 0$:


$bullet$If $B^2-4AC gt 0$, it represents a hyperbola and a rectangular hyperbola $(A+C=0)$.

$bullet$If $B^2-4AC=0$, the equation represents a parabola.

$bullet$If $B^2-4AC lt 0$, the equation represents a circle $(A=C,B=0$) or an ellipse $(A neq C)$. For a real ellipse, $(frac Delta {a+b} lt 0)$.



So for the given case the equation of conic is (after putting all the points in general equation of conic and finding all the coefficient) $$ax^2-axy+4ay^2-4a=0$$


Comparing above equation with equation (1) & (2) we get the values of required coefficient as $A=a$ $B=-a$ and $C=4a$ so we get the value of $B^2-4AC=-3a^2$ and also from equation (3) we get $Delta=-15a^2$. Since $Deltaneq 0$ and $B^2-4AC lt 0$ and also $Aneq C$, so as we know this is the condition of an Ellipse.



Therefore conic $ax^2-axy+4ay^2-4a=0$ is a Real Ellipse (For Real Ellipse the condition is $frac Delta {a+b} lt 0$).






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    Can I determine which type of conic section this is? I read somewhere that I can determine it by finding out the sign of b^2+4ac, where I ended up with b^2−4ac=−15a^2<0 which is supposed to be an ellipse.




    Yes, it is b^2-4ac actually.



    First, solve the determinant



    $begin{bmatrix}a & b/2 & d/2\b/2 & c & e/2\d/2 & e/2 & fend{bmatrix}$ = p



    Now, if:-




    1. p=0 and b^2-4ac>0, it is a pair of distinct straight lines.

    2. p=0 and b^2-4ac=0, it is a either the same line or pair of parrallel lines.

    3. p=0 and b^2-4ac<0, it is a pair of imaginary lines.

    4. p≠0 and b^2-4ac=0, it is a parabola.

    5. p≠0 and b^2-4ac<0, it is an ellipse.

    6. p≠0 and b^2-4ac>0, it is a hyperbola.

    7. p≠0, b=0 and a=c, it is a circle.


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      Any second-degree curve equation can be written as

      $$Ax^2+Bxy+Cy^2+Dx+Ey+F=0tag{1}$$
      or
      $$ax^2+2hxy+by^2+2gx+2fy+c=0tag{2}$$
      where $$A,B,C,D,E,E,a,b,c,f,g,hin mathbb R$$


      To find type of conic and nature of conic we use $Delta$ and is given by

      $$Delta=
      left|
      begin{array}
      &a&h&g\
      h&b&f\
      g&f&c\
      end{array}
      right|
      =abc+2fgh-af^2-bg^2-ch^2tag{3}
      $$



      If $Delta$ is Zero, it represents a degenerate conic section, otherwise, it represents a non-degenerate conic section.


      Also, the type of conic section that the above equation represents can be found using the discriminant of the equation, which is given by $B^2-4AC$.



      Conditions regarding the quadratic discriminant are as follows:



      If $Delta=0$:


      $bullet$ If $h^2-ab gt 0$, the equation represents two distinct real lines.

      $bullet$ If $h^2-ab=0$, the equation represents parallel lines.

      $bullet$ If $h^2-ab lt 0$, the equation represents non-real lines.



      If $Delta neq 0$:


      $bullet$If $B^2-4AC gt 0$, it represents a hyperbola and a rectangular hyperbola $(A+C=0)$.

      $bullet$If $B^2-4AC=0$, the equation represents a parabola.

      $bullet$If $B^2-4AC lt 0$, the equation represents a circle $(A=C,B=0$) or an ellipse $(A neq C)$. For a real ellipse, $(frac Delta {a+b} lt 0)$.



      So for the given case the equation of conic is (after putting all the points in general equation of conic and finding all the coefficient) $$ax^2-axy+4ay^2-4a=0$$


      Comparing above equation with equation (1) & (2) we get the values of required coefficient as $A=a$ $B=-a$ and $C=4a$ so we get the value of $B^2-4AC=-3a^2$ and also from equation (3) we get $Delta=-15a^2$. Since $Deltaneq 0$ and $B^2-4AC lt 0$ and also $Aneq C$, so as we know this is the condition of an Ellipse.



      Therefore conic $ax^2-axy+4ay^2-4a=0$ is a Real Ellipse (For Real Ellipse the condition is $frac Delta {a+b} lt 0$).






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        $begingroup$

        Any second-degree curve equation can be written as

        $$Ax^2+Bxy+Cy^2+Dx+Ey+F=0tag{1}$$
        or
        $$ax^2+2hxy+by^2+2gx+2fy+c=0tag{2}$$
        where $$A,B,C,D,E,E,a,b,c,f,g,hin mathbb R$$


        To find type of conic and nature of conic we use $Delta$ and is given by

        $$Delta=
        left|
        begin{array}
        &a&h&g\
        h&b&f\
        g&f&c\
        end{array}
        right|
        =abc+2fgh-af^2-bg^2-ch^2tag{3}
        $$



        If $Delta$ is Zero, it represents a degenerate conic section, otherwise, it represents a non-degenerate conic section.


        Also, the type of conic section that the above equation represents can be found using the discriminant of the equation, which is given by $B^2-4AC$.



        Conditions regarding the quadratic discriminant are as follows:



        If $Delta=0$:


        $bullet$ If $h^2-ab gt 0$, the equation represents two distinct real lines.

        $bullet$ If $h^2-ab=0$, the equation represents parallel lines.

        $bullet$ If $h^2-ab lt 0$, the equation represents non-real lines.



        If $Delta neq 0$:


        $bullet$If $B^2-4AC gt 0$, it represents a hyperbola and a rectangular hyperbola $(A+C=0)$.

        $bullet$If $B^2-4AC=0$, the equation represents a parabola.

        $bullet$If $B^2-4AC lt 0$, the equation represents a circle $(A=C,B=0$) or an ellipse $(A neq C)$. For a real ellipse, $(frac Delta {a+b} lt 0)$.



        So for the given case the equation of conic is (after putting all the points in general equation of conic and finding all the coefficient) $$ax^2-axy+4ay^2-4a=0$$


        Comparing above equation with equation (1) & (2) we get the values of required coefficient as $A=a$ $B=-a$ and $C=4a$ so we get the value of $B^2-4AC=-3a^2$ and also from equation (3) we get $Delta=-15a^2$. Since $Deltaneq 0$ and $B^2-4AC lt 0$ and also $Aneq C$, so as we know this is the condition of an Ellipse.



        Therefore conic $ax^2-axy+4ay^2-4a=0$ is a Real Ellipse (For Real Ellipse the condition is $frac Delta {a+b} lt 0$).






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          $begingroup$

          Any second-degree curve equation can be written as

          $$Ax^2+Bxy+Cy^2+Dx+Ey+F=0tag{1}$$
          or
          $$ax^2+2hxy+by^2+2gx+2fy+c=0tag{2}$$
          where $$A,B,C,D,E,E,a,b,c,f,g,hin mathbb R$$


          To find type of conic and nature of conic we use $Delta$ and is given by

          $$Delta=
          left|
          begin{array}
          &a&h&g\
          h&b&f\
          g&f&c\
          end{array}
          right|
          =abc+2fgh-af^2-bg^2-ch^2tag{3}
          $$



          If $Delta$ is Zero, it represents a degenerate conic section, otherwise, it represents a non-degenerate conic section.


          Also, the type of conic section that the above equation represents can be found using the discriminant of the equation, which is given by $B^2-4AC$.



          Conditions regarding the quadratic discriminant are as follows:



          If $Delta=0$:


          $bullet$ If $h^2-ab gt 0$, the equation represents two distinct real lines.

          $bullet$ If $h^2-ab=0$, the equation represents parallel lines.

          $bullet$ If $h^2-ab lt 0$, the equation represents non-real lines.



          If $Delta neq 0$:


          $bullet$If $B^2-4AC gt 0$, it represents a hyperbola and a rectangular hyperbola $(A+C=0)$.

          $bullet$If $B^2-4AC=0$, the equation represents a parabola.

          $bullet$If $B^2-4AC lt 0$, the equation represents a circle $(A=C,B=0$) or an ellipse $(A neq C)$. For a real ellipse, $(frac Delta {a+b} lt 0)$.



          So for the given case the equation of conic is (after putting all the points in general equation of conic and finding all the coefficient) $$ax^2-axy+4ay^2-4a=0$$


          Comparing above equation with equation (1) & (2) we get the values of required coefficient as $A=a$ $B=-a$ and $C=4a$ so we get the value of $B^2-4AC=-3a^2$ and also from equation (3) we get $Delta=-15a^2$. Since $Deltaneq 0$ and $B^2-4AC lt 0$ and also $Aneq C$, so as we know this is the condition of an Ellipse.



          Therefore conic $ax^2-axy+4ay^2-4a=0$ is a Real Ellipse (For Real Ellipse the condition is $frac Delta {a+b} lt 0$).






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          Any second-degree curve equation can be written as

          $$Ax^2+Bxy+Cy^2+Dx+Ey+F=0tag{1}$$
          or
          $$ax^2+2hxy+by^2+2gx+2fy+c=0tag{2}$$
          where $$A,B,C,D,E,E,a,b,c,f,g,hin mathbb R$$


          To find type of conic and nature of conic we use $Delta$ and is given by

          $$Delta=
          left|
          begin{array}
          &a&h&g\
          h&b&f\
          g&f&c\
          end{array}
          right|
          =abc+2fgh-af^2-bg^2-ch^2tag{3}
          $$



          If $Delta$ is Zero, it represents a degenerate conic section, otherwise, it represents a non-degenerate conic section.


          Also, the type of conic section that the above equation represents can be found using the discriminant of the equation, which is given by $B^2-4AC$.



          Conditions regarding the quadratic discriminant are as follows:



          If $Delta=0$:


          $bullet$ If $h^2-ab gt 0$, the equation represents two distinct real lines.

          $bullet$ If $h^2-ab=0$, the equation represents parallel lines.

          $bullet$ If $h^2-ab lt 0$, the equation represents non-real lines.



          If $Delta neq 0$:


          $bullet$If $B^2-4AC gt 0$, it represents a hyperbola and a rectangular hyperbola $(A+C=0)$.

          $bullet$If $B^2-4AC=0$, the equation represents a parabola.

          $bullet$If $B^2-4AC lt 0$, the equation represents a circle $(A=C,B=0$) or an ellipse $(A neq C)$. For a real ellipse, $(frac Delta {a+b} lt 0)$.



          So for the given case the equation of conic is (after putting all the points in general equation of conic and finding all the coefficient) $$ax^2-axy+4ay^2-4a=0$$


          Comparing above equation with equation (1) & (2) we get the values of required coefficient as $A=a$ $B=-a$ and $C=4a$ so we get the value of $B^2-4AC=-3a^2$ and also from equation (3) we get $Delta=-15a^2$. Since $Deltaneq 0$ and $B^2-4AC lt 0$ and also $Aneq C$, so as we know this is the condition of an Ellipse.



          Therefore conic $ax^2-axy+4ay^2-4a=0$ is a Real Ellipse (For Real Ellipse the condition is $frac Delta {a+b} lt 0$).







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              Can I determine which type of conic section this is? I read somewhere that I can determine it by finding out the sign of b^2+4ac, where I ended up with b^2−4ac=−15a^2<0 which is supposed to be an ellipse.




              Yes, it is b^2-4ac actually.



              First, solve the determinant



              $begin{bmatrix}a & b/2 & d/2\b/2 & c & e/2\d/2 & e/2 & fend{bmatrix}$ = p



              Now, if:-




              1. p=0 and b^2-4ac>0, it is a pair of distinct straight lines.

              2. p=0 and b^2-4ac=0, it is a either the same line or pair of parrallel lines.

              3. p=0 and b^2-4ac<0, it is a pair of imaginary lines.

              4. p≠0 and b^2-4ac=0, it is a parabola.

              5. p≠0 and b^2-4ac<0, it is an ellipse.

              6. p≠0 and b^2-4ac>0, it is a hyperbola.

              7. p≠0, b=0 and a=c, it is a circle.


              Sorry, but I'm not that good with MathJax.






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                Can I determine which type of conic section this is? I read somewhere that I can determine it by finding out the sign of b^2+4ac, where I ended up with b^2−4ac=−15a^2<0 which is supposed to be an ellipse.




                Yes, it is b^2-4ac actually.



                First, solve the determinant



                $begin{bmatrix}a & b/2 & d/2\b/2 & c & e/2\d/2 & e/2 & fend{bmatrix}$ = p



                Now, if:-




                1. p=0 and b^2-4ac>0, it is a pair of distinct straight lines.

                2. p=0 and b^2-4ac=0, it is a either the same line or pair of parrallel lines.

                3. p=0 and b^2-4ac<0, it is a pair of imaginary lines.

                4. p≠0 and b^2-4ac=0, it is a parabola.

                5. p≠0 and b^2-4ac<0, it is an ellipse.

                6. p≠0 and b^2-4ac>0, it is a hyperbola.

                7. p≠0, b=0 and a=c, it is a circle.


                Sorry, but I'm not that good with MathJax.






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                  Can I determine which type of conic section this is? I read somewhere that I can determine it by finding out the sign of b^2+4ac, where I ended up with b^2−4ac=−15a^2<0 which is supposed to be an ellipse.




                  Yes, it is b^2-4ac actually.



                  First, solve the determinant



                  $begin{bmatrix}a & b/2 & d/2\b/2 & c & e/2\d/2 & e/2 & fend{bmatrix}$ = p



                  Now, if:-




                  1. p=0 and b^2-4ac>0, it is a pair of distinct straight lines.

                  2. p=0 and b^2-4ac=0, it is a either the same line or pair of parrallel lines.

                  3. p=0 and b^2-4ac<0, it is a pair of imaginary lines.

                  4. p≠0 and b^2-4ac=0, it is a parabola.

                  5. p≠0 and b^2-4ac<0, it is an ellipse.

                  6. p≠0 and b^2-4ac>0, it is a hyperbola.

                  7. p≠0, b=0 and a=c, it is a circle.


                  Sorry, but I'm not that good with MathJax.






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                  Can I determine which type of conic section this is? I read somewhere that I can determine it by finding out the sign of b^2+4ac, where I ended up with b^2−4ac=−15a^2<0 which is supposed to be an ellipse.




                  Yes, it is b^2-4ac actually.



                  First, solve the determinant



                  $begin{bmatrix}a & b/2 & d/2\b/2 & c & e/2\d/2 & e/2 & fend{bmatrix}$ = p



                  Now, if:-




                  1. p=0 and b^2-4ac>0, it is a pair of distinct straight lines.

                  2. p=0 and b^2-4ac=0, it is a either the same line or pair of parrallel lines.

                  3. p=0 and b^2-4ac<0, it is a pair of imaginary lines.

                  4. p≠0 and b^2-4ac=0, it is a parabola.

                  5. p≠0 and b^2-4ac<0, it is an ellipse.

                  6. p≠0 and b^2-4ac>0, it is a hyperbola.

                  7. p≠0, b=0 and a=c, it is a circle.


                  Sorry, but I'm not that good with MathJax.







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