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I'm studying Calculus and having a trouble solving this question.



1) If $f(x)leq x$, then $f′(x)leq 1$ for all $x$?



2) What if $f(0)=0$, $f′(x)$ exists for all $x$?



I could easily find the counter example for 1) (Therefore it is false)



But I'm not sure about 2)



If $f(0)=0$ and $f′(x)$ exists for all $x$ &
$f(x)leq x$ , then $f′(x)leq 1$ for all $x$?



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    The question is unclear: is the exercise ``consider a differentiable function $f$ such that $f(0)=0$ and $f(x)leq x$ for all $x$. Show that $f'(x)leq 1$ for all $x$.''?
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I'm studying Calculus and having a trouble solving this question.



1) If $f(x)leq x$, then $f′(x)leq 1$ for all $x$?



2) What if $f(0)=0$, $f′(x)$ exists for all $x$?



I could easily find the counter example for 1) (Therefore it is false)



But I'm not sure about 2)



If $f(0)=0$ and $f′(x)$ exists for all $x$ &
$f(x)leq x$ , then $f′(x)leq 1$ for all $x$?



Please leave a comment if you don't mind :)






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I'm studying Calculus and having a trouble solving this question.



1) If $f(x)leq x$, then $f′(x)leq 1$ for all $x$?



2) What if $f(0)=0$, $f′(x)$ exists for all $x$?



I could easily find the counter example for 1) (Therefore it is false)



But I'm not sure about 2)



If $f(0)=0$ and $f′(x)$ exists for all $x$ &
$f(x)leq x$ , then $f′(x)leq 1$ for all $x$?



Please leave a comment if you don't mind :)






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I'm studying Calculus and having a trouble solving this question.



1) If $f(x)leq x$, then $f′(x)leq 1$ for all $x$?



2) What if $f(0)=0$, $f′(x)$ exists for all $x$?



I could easily find the counter example for 1) (Therefore it is false)



But I'm not sure about 2)



If $f(0)=0$ and $f′(x)$ exists for all $x$ &
$f(x)leq x$ , then $f′(x)leq 1$ for all $x$?



Please leave a comment if you don't mind :)






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  • $begingroup$
    The question is unclear: is the exercise ``consider a differentiable function $f$ such that $f(0)=0$ and $f(x)leq x$ for all $x$. Show that $f'(x)leq 1$ for all $x$.''?
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    I'm not sure that the new edits improved the question. I preferred the original version of the question, which gave a little more context.
    $endgroup$
    – littleO
    Mar 17 at 11:50








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    $begingroup$
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  • $begingroup$
    The question is unclear: is the exercise ``consider a differentiable function $f$ such that $f(0)=0$ and $f(x)leq x$ for all $x$. Show that $f'(x)leq 1$ for all $x$.''?
    $endgroup$
    – b00n heT
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    $begingroup$
    I'm not sure that the new edits improved the question. I preferred the original version of the question, which gave a little more context.
    $endgroup$
    – littleO
    Mar 17 at 11:50








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    $begingroup$
    Don't remove relevant information from your question!
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The question is unclear: is the exercise ``consider a differentiable function $f$ such that $f(0)=0$ and $f(x)leq x$ for all $x$. Show that $f'(x)leq 1$ for all $x$.''?
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The question is unclear: is the exercise ``consider a differentiable function $f$ such that $f(0)=0$ and $f(x)leq x$ for all $x$. Show that $f'(x)leq 1$ for all $x$.''?
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I'm not sure that the new edits improved the question. I preferred the original version of the question, which gave a little more context.
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I'm not sure that the new edits improved the question. I preferred the original version of the question, which gave a little more context.
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– littleO
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Hint: Consider $$f(x)=x-A sin^2 x $$
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    Draw the line $y=x$, and then draw any kind of squiggly function you want that stays below or touches the line. In particular, the function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$ has $f'(x)gt1$ for all $x$, while $f(x)=x-{1over2}x^2$ satisfies $f(0)=0$ but $f'(x)gt1$ for $xlt0$.



    Remark: The original version of the OP's question had two parts, with the condition $f(0)=0$ being added in the second part. The function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$, of course, does not satisfy that condition.






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      Let for example $f(x)=xsin x$, then $f(0)=0$ and for any real $x$ $f(x)leq x$. Then the derivative will look like this: $f'(x)=sin x+xcos x$ and so will exist for all $x$. Taking $x=2pi n$, where $n$ is positive integer we get $f'(x)=2pi n$, which evidently has no upper limitation.






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              Draw the line $y=x$, and then draw any kind of squiggly function you want that stays below or touches the line. In particular, the function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$ has $f'(x)gt1$ for all $x$, while $f(x)=x-{1over2}x^2$ satisfies $f(0)=0$ but $f'(x)gt1$ for $xlt0$.



              Remark: The original version of the OP's question had two parts, with the condition $f(0)=0$ being added in the second part. The function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$, of course, does not satisfy that condition.






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                Draw the line $y=x$, and then draw any kind of squiggly function you want that stays below or touches the line. In particular, the function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$ has $f'(x)gt1$ for all $x$, while $f(x)=x-{1over2}x^2$ satisfies $f(0)=0$ but $f'(x)gt1$ for $xlt0$.



                Remark: The original version of the OP's question had two parts, with the condition $f(0)=0$ being added in the second part. The function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$, of course, does not satisfy that condition.






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                  Draw the line $y=x$, and then draw any kind of squiggly function you want that stays below or touches the line. In particular, the function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$ has $f'(x)gt1$ for all $x$, while $f(x)=x-{1over2}x^2$ satisfies $f(0)=0$ but $f'(x)gt1$ for $xlt0$.



                  Remark: The original version of the OP's question had two parts, with the condition $f(0)=0$ being added in the second part. The function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$, of course, does not satisfy that condition.






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                  Draw the line $y=x$, and then draw any kind of squiggly function you want that stays below or touches the line. In particular, the function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$ has $f'(x)gt1$ for all $x$, while $f(x)=x-{1over2}x^2$ satisfies $f(0)=0$ but $f'(x)gt1$ for $xlt0$.



                  Remark: The original version of the OP's question had two parts, with the condition $f(0)=0$ being added in the second part. The function $f(x)=x-e^{-x}$, of course, does not satisfy that condition.







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                      Let for example $f(x)=xsin x$, then $f(0)=0$ and for any real $x$ $f(x)leq x$. Then the derivative will look like this: $f'(x)=sin x+xcos x$ and so will exist for all $x$. Taking $x=2pi n$, where $n$ is positive integer we get $f'(x)=2pi n$, which evidently has no upper limitation.






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                      Let for example $f(x)=xsin x$, then $f(0)=0$ and for any real $x$ $f(x)leq x$. Then the derivative will look like this: $f'(x)=sin x+xcos x$ and so will exist for all $x$. Taking $x=2pi n$, where $n$ is positive integer we get $f'(x)=2pi n$, which evidently has no upper limitation.






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                      Let for example $f(x)=xsin x$, then $f(0)=0$ and for any real $x$ $f(x)leq x$. Then the derivative will look like this: $f'(x)=sin x+xcos x$ and so will exist for all $x$. Taking $x=2pi n$, where $n$ is positive integer we get $f'(x)=2pi n$, which evidently has no upper limitation.







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