How to find the order of a symmetric group S4?












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Let $omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$
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$tau = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$, both elements of $S_4$.



How exactly do I compute the orders of $omega$ and $tau$ ?



My professor said $ |omega|= 3$ and$ |tau|= 4$.
But he did not explain how to get these answers, also why are they both not just 4? I thought order was the number of elements in G, in this case they both have 4.
Does $ |omega|= 3$ because $omega(2)=2$, so it sends itself to itself?



Sorry, if this question seems dumb I just don't fully understand where the answer is coming from.










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    Try compute $omega^3$, $tau^2$, $tau^4$ to get the order of these two elements.
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    It's not exactly about the number of fixed points. For example, $sigma= bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 &1 & 4 & 3 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$ has order 2. Can you see why, now that the correct definition of "order" in this context has been explained?
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Let $omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$
and
$tau = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$, both elements of $S_4$.



How exactly do I compute the orders of $omega$ and $tau$ ?



My professor said $ |omega|= 3$ and$ |tau|= 4$.
But he did not explain how to get these answers, also why are they both not just 4? I thought order was the number of elements in G, in this case they both have 4.
Does $ |omega|= 3$ because $omega(2)=2$, so it sends itself to itself?



Sorry, if this question seems dumb I just don't fully understand where the answer is coming from.










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    Try compute $omega^3$, $tau^2$, $tau^4$ to get the order of these two elements.
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    It's not exactly about the number of fixed points. For example, $sigma= bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 &1 & 4 & 3 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$ has order 2. Can you see why, now that the correct definition of "order" in this context has been explained?
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Let $omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$
and
$tau = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$, both elements of $S_4$.



How exactly do I compute the orders of $omega$ and $tau$ ?



My professor said $ |omega|= 3$ and$ |tau|= 4$.
But he did not explain how to get these answers, also why are they both not just 4? I thought order was the number of elements in G, in this case they both have 4.
Does $ |omega|= 3$ because $omega(2)=2$, so it sends itself to itself?



Sorry, if this question seems dumb I just don't fully understand where the answer is coming from.










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Let $omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$
and
$tau = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$, both elements of $S_4$.



How exactly do I compute the orders of $omega$ and $tau$ ?



My professor said $ |omega|= 3$ and$ |tau|= 4$.
But he did not explain how to get these answers, also why are they both not just 4? I thought order was the number of elements in G, in this case they both have 4.
Does $ |omega|= 3$ because $omega(2)=2$, so it sends itself to itself?



Sorry, if this question seems dumb I just don't fully understand where the answer is coming from.







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    Try compute $omega^3$, $tau^2$, $tau^4$ to get the order of these two elements.
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    – Kemono Chen
    Feb 27 at 1:12










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    It's not exactly about the number of fixed points. For example, $sigma= bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 &1 & 4 & 3 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$ has order 2. Can you see why, now that the correct definition of "order" in this context has been explained?
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    Try compute $omega^3$, $tau^2$, $tau^4$ to get the order of these two elements.
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    – Kemono Chen
    Feb 27 at 1:12










  • $begingroup$
    It's not exactly about the number of fixed points. For example, $sigma= bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 &1 & 4 & 3 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$ has order 2. Can you see why, now that the correct definition of "order" in this context has been explained?
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    Feb 27 at 1:57








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Try compute $omega^3$, $tau^2$, $tau^4$ to get the order of these two elements.
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Try compute $omega^3$, $tau^2$, $tau^4$ to get the order of these two elements.
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– Kemono Chen
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It's not exactly about the number of fixed points. For example, $sigma= bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 &1 & 4 & 3 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$ has order 2. Can you see why, now that the correct definition of "order" in this context has been explained?
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– Robert Shore
Feb 27 at 1:57




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It's not exactly about the number of fixed points. For example, $sigma= bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 &1 & 4 & 3 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$ has order 2. Can you see why, now that the correct definition of "order" in this context has been explained?
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The order of a group is not the same thing as the order of an element. There is a connection, but don't worry about that yet. The order of a group, written $|G|$, is the number of elements it has. The order of an element in a group - say $g in G$, is the smallest $n$ such $g^n = e$ where $e$ is the identity element of the group $G$. In this case we also write $|g| = n$.



You are not being asked to find the order of a group. $tau$ and $omega$ are elements of a group and you are being asked to find the order of $tau$ and $omega$ as elements of $S_4$. Elements of $S_4$, such as $tau$ and $omega$, are bijections (functions) from the set ${1,2,3,4}$ to the set ${1,2,3,4}$. To find their order you need to investigate how many times you need to repeatedly apply the function in order to get the identity function. It doesn't really make sense to take about the order of $tau$ and $omega$ based on how many elements they have as you did in your original post, however we do have this.



It does turn out that if the order of an element is $n$, say $|g| = n$, then the cyclic subgroup generated by $g$ will have $n$ elements. So I guess if you wanted to find the orders of $tau$ and $omega$ you could go count the elements of their cyclic subgroups but this seems superfluous.






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    If we want to find the order of $S_4$, it should be $4!$, right?
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    Yes, but if you read the question you will realize that the title of the question is not really what the OP is asking.
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We first need to know that when talking about $S_4$, we are talking about the set of all bijections from the set ${1,2,3,4}$ to itself.



So, the elements of the set $S_4$ are functions. An example of a function in $S_4$ is the function $f: {1,2,3,4} to {1,2,3,4}$ given by:
$$1 mapsto 2, 2mapsto 3, 3mapsto 4, 4 mapsto 1 $$



However, this is incredibly tedious to write out. Instead, we will use matrices to represent functions in $S_4$. In other words, we will let:



$$f := bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$$
where an element in row 1 of the matrix is mapped to the element below it in row 2 of the matrix by $f$.



Now, when we are talking about order, we can talk about 2 things: the order of a group, and the order of an element of the group.



The order of a group is the number of elements in that set, but we can also pick out an element from that group (in this case the group is $S_4$ and we're picking out an element from $S_4$) and we can ask what is the order of the element. The order of an element is the smallest positive number $n$ such that $x^n = 1$ where $x$ is the element of the group we are considering, and $1$ is the identity element in the group.



In your case, when your professor says that $|omega| = 3$, what he means is that if you compose the function $omega in S_4$ with itself 3 times, you will get back the identity element of $S_4$. The identity element of $S_4$ is the identity function on ${1,2,3,4}$, i.e. the function:



$$i = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$$



For instance, although $omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$, we see that $omega^2 = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 4 & 2 & 1 & 3 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$, and $omega^3 = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 end{smallmatrix}bigr) = i$






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    In "cycle notation ", $omega=(134)$ is a $3$-cycle, and $tau=(1234)$ is a $4$-cycle.



    It happens that $n$-cycles always have order $n$.






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      The common way how determine the order of an elements of a finite symmetric group is to subdivide this element - permutation - into one or more cyclic permutations, because (obviously):



      $$ bbox[lightyellow,5px,border:0px solid yellow]{text {The order of a cyclic permutation is equal to the number of permuted elements.}}$$



      Then the order of such subdivided element is calculated as the least common multiple of orders of these cyclic permutations.



      I will show you in detail how to do it.





      For $omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$: Select a number from the top row - for example $1$ - and trace the path of its gradual change until you meet the same element. You will see this path (traced numbers are on the left of the green line):
      enter image description here
      or
      $$color{red}1 mapsto 3 mapsto 4 mapsto color{red}1$$



      It is a cyclic permutation of 3 elements:
      enter image description here



      Then select one of remaining numbers - in our example it remains only one, namely number $2$ - and do the same with it. Tracing the remaining number $2$ we see that



      $$color{red}2 mapsto color{red}2$$



      which is identity of 1-element set, considered as a cyclic permutation, too.



      Using the notation for cyclic permutations, the first one is



      $$(1 3 4)$$



      and the second one is simply $$(2)$$



      As the result, we may write



      $$bbox[lightcyan,5px,border:2px solid blue]{omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)= (1 3 4) (2)}$$



      Now, the first, 3-element cyclic permutation
      has order $mathbb 3$ (its "cycle" must turn 3-times $120^o$ to return to its initial position)
      enter image description here



      and order of the second one is $mathbb 1$ (order of identity). Their least common multiple $lcm(3, 1)=3$, so



      $$bbox[yellow,5px,border:2px solid red]{ord(omega) = 3}$$





      For $tau = bigl(begin{matrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{matrix}bigr)$ it is even easier, because it is a cyclic permutation itself:



      $$color{red}1 mapsto 2 mapsto 3 mapsto 4 mapsto color{red}1$$



      so we may write



      $$bbox[lightcyan,5px,border:2px solid blue]{tau = left(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}right) = (1 2 3 4)}$$



      and



      $$bbox[yellow,5px,border:2px solid red]{ord(tau) = 4}$$






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        The order of a group is not the same thing as the order of an element. There is a connection, but don't worry about that yet. The order of a group, written $|G|$, is the number of elements it has. The order of an element in a group - say $g in G$, is the smallest $n$ such $g^n = e$ where $e$ is the identity element of the group $G$. In this case we also write $|g| = n$.



        You are not being asked to find the order of a group. $tau$ and $omega$ are elements of a group and you are being asked to find the order of $tau$ and $omega$ as elements of $S_4$. Elements of $S_4$, such as $tau$ and $omega$, are bijections (functions) from the set ${1,2,3,4}$ to the set ${1,2,3,4}$. To find their order you need to investigate how many times you need to repeatedly apply the function in order to get the identity function. It doesn't really make sense to take about the order of $tau$ and $omega$ based on how many elements they have as you did in your original post, however we do have this.



        It does turn out that if the order of an element is $n$, say $|g| = n$, then the cyclic subgroup generated by $g$ will have $n$ elements. So I guess if you wanted to find the orders of $tau$ and $omega$ you could go count the elements of their cyclic subgroups but this seems superfluous.






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          If we want to find the order of $S_4$, it should be $4!$, right?
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          Yes, but if you read the question you will realize that the title of the question is not really what the OP is asking.
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        The order of a group is not the same thing as the order of an element. There is a connection, but don't worry about that yet. The order of a group, written $|G|$, is the number of elements it has. The order of an element in a group - say $g in G$, is the smallest $n$ such $g^n = e$ where $e$ is the identity element of the group $G$. In this case we also write $|g| = n$.



        You are not being asked to find the order of a group. $tau$ and $omega$ are elements of a group and you are being asked to find the order of $tau$ and $omega$ as elements of $S_4$. Elements of $S_4$, such as $tau$ and $omega$, are bijections (functions) from the set ${1,2,3,4}$ to the set ${1,2,3,4}$. To find their order you need to investigate how many times you need to repeatedly apply the function in order to get the identity function. It doesn't really make sense to take about the order of $tau$ and $omega$ based on how many elements they have as you did in your original post, however we do have this.



        It does turn out that if the order of an element is $n$, say $|g| = n$, then the cyclic subgroup generated by $g$ will have $n$ elements. So I guess if you wanted to find the orders of $tau$ and $omega$ you could go count the elements of their cyclic subgroups but this seems superfluous.






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        The order of a group is not the same thing as the order of an element. There is a connection, but don't worry about that yet. The order of a group, written $|G|$, is the number of elements it has. The order of an element in a group - say $g in G$, is the smallest $n$ such $g^n = e$ where $e$ is the identity element of the group $G$. In this case we also write $|g| = n$.



        You are not being asked to find the order of a group. $tau$ and $omega$ are elements of a group and you are being asked to find the order of $tau$ and $omega$ as elements of $S_4$. Elements of $S_4$, such as $tau$ and $omega$, are bijections (functions) from the set ${1,2,3,4}$ to the set ${1,2,3,4}$. To find their order you need to investigate how many times you need to repeatedly apply the function in order to get the identity function. It doesn't really make sense to take about the order of $tau$ and $omega$ based on how many elements they have as you did in your original post, however we do have this.



        It does turn out that if the order of an element is $n$, say $|g| = n$, then the cyclic subgroup generated by $g$ will have $n$ elements. So I guess if you wanted to find the orders of $tau$ and $omega$ you could go count the elements of their cyclic subgroups but this seems superfluous.






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        The order of a group is not the same thing as the order of an element. There is a connection, but don't worry about that yet. The order of a group, written $|G|$, is the number of elements it has. The order of an element in a group - say $g in G$, is the smallest $n$ such $g^n = e$ where $e$ is the identity element of the group $G$. In this case we also write $|g| = n$.



        You are not being asked to find the order of a group. $tau$ and $omega$ are elements of a group and you are being asked to find the order of $tau$ and $omega$ as elements of $S_4$. Elements of $S_4$, such as $tau$ and $omega$, are bijections (functions) from the set ${1,2,3,4}$ to the set ${1,2,3,4}$. To find their order you need to investigate how many times you need to repeatedly apply the function in order to get the identity function. It doesn't really make sense to take about the order of $tau$ and $omega$ based on how many elements they have as you did in your original post, however we do have this.



        It does turn out that if the order of an element is $n$, say $|g| = n$, then the cyclic subgroup generated by $g$ will have $n$ elements. So I guess if you wanted to find the orders of $tau$ and $omega$ you could go count the elements of their cyclic subgroups but this seems superfluous.







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          If we want to find the order of $S_4$, it should be $4!$, right?
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          Yes, but if you read the question you will realize that the title of the question is not really what the OP is asking.
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          If we want to find the order of $S_4$, it should be $4!$, right?
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        If we want to find the order of $S_4$, it should be $4!$, right?
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        We first need to know that when talking about $S_4$, we are talking about the set of all bijections from the set ${1,2,3,4}$ to itself.



        So, the elements of the set $S_4$ are functions. An example of a function in $S_4$ is the function $f: {1,2,3,4} to {1,2,3,4}$ given by:
        $$1 mapsto 2, 2mapsto 3, 3mapsto 4, 4 mapsto 1 $$



        However, this is incredibly tedious to write out. Instead, we will use matrices to represent functions in $S_4$. In other words, we will let:



        $$f := bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$$
        where an element in row 1 of the matrix is mapped to the element below it in row 2 of the matrix by $f$.



        Now, when we are talking about order, we can talk about 2 things: the order of a group, and the order of an element of the group.



        The order of a group is the number of elements in that set, but we can also pick out an element from that group (in this case the group is $S_4$ and we're picking out an element from $S_4$) and we can ask what is the order of the element. The order of an element is the smallest positive number $n$ such that $x^n = 1$ where $x$ is the element of the group we are considering, and $1$ is the identity element in the group.



        In your case, when your professor says that $|omega| = 3$, what he means is that if you compose the function $omega in S_4$ with itself 3 times, you will get back the identity element of $S_4$. The identity element of $S_4$ is the identity function on ${1,2,3,4}$, i.e. the function:



        $$i = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$$



        For instance, although $omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$, we see that $omega^2 = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 4 & 2 & 1 & 3 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$, and $omega^3 = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 end{smallmatrix}bigr) = i$






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          $begingroup$

          We first need to know that when talking about $S_4$, we are talking about the set of all bijections from the set ${1,2,3,4}$ to itself.



          So, the elements of the set $S_4$ are functions. An example of a function in $S_4$ is the function $f: {1,2,3,4} to {1,2,3,4}$ given by:
          $$1 mapsto 2, 2mapsto 3, 3mapsto 4, 4 mapsto 1 $$



          However, this is incredibly tedious to write out. Instead, we will use matrices to represent functions in $S_4$. In other words, we will let:



          $$f := bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$$
          where an element in row 1 of the matrix is mapped to the element below it in row 2 of the matrix by $f$.



          Now, when we are talking about order, we can talk about 2 things: the order of a group, and the order of an element of the group.



          The order of a group is the number of elements in that set, but we can also pick out an element from that group (in this case the group is $S_4$ and we're picking out an element from $S_4$) and we can ask what is the order of the element. The order of an element is the smallest positive number $n$ such that $x^n = 1$ where $x$ is the element of the group we are considering, and $1$ is the identity element in the group.



          In your case, when your professor says that $|omega| = 3$, what he means is that if you compose the function $omega in S_4$ with itself 3 times, you will get back the identity element of $S_4$. The identity element of $S_4$ is the identity function on ${1,2,3,4}$, i.e. the function:



          $$i = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$$



          For instance, although $omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$, we see that $omega^2 = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 4 & 2 & 1 & 3 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$, and $omega^3 = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 end{smallmatrix}bigr) = i$






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            We first need to know that when talking about $S_4$, we are talking about the set of all bijections from the set ${1,2,3,4}$ to itself.



            So, the elements of the set $S_4$ are functions. An example of a function in $S_4$ is the function $f: {1,2,3,4} to {1,2,3,4}$ given by:
            $$1 mapsto 2, 2mapsto 3, 3mapsto 4, 4 mapsto 1 $$



            However, this is incredibly tedious to write out. Instead, we will use matrices to represent functions in $S_4$. In other words, we will let:



            $$f := bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$$
            where an element in row 1 of the matrix is mapped to the element below it in row 2 of the matrix by $f$.



            Now, when we are talking about order, we can talk about 2 things: the order of a group, and the order of an element of the group.



            The order of a group is the number of elements in that set, but we can also pick out an element from that group (in this case the group is $S_4$ and we're picking out an element from $S_4$) and we can ask what is the order of the element. The order of an element is the smallest positive number $n$ such that $x^n = 1$ where $x$ is the element of the group we are considering, and $1$ is the identity element in the group.



            In your case, when your professor says that $|omega| = 3$, what he means is that if you compose the function $omega in S_4$ with itself 3 times, you will get back the identity element of $S_4$. The identity element of $S_4$ is the identity function on ${1,2,3,4}$, i.e. the function:



            $$i = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$$



            For instance, although $omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$, we see that $omega^2 = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 4 & 2 & 1 & 3 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$, and $omega^3 = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 end{smallmatrix}bigr) = i$






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            We first need to know that when talking about $S_4$, we are talking about the set of all bijections from the set ${1,2,3,4}$ to itself.



            So, the elements of the set $S_4$ are functions. An example of a function in $S_4$ is the function $f: {1,2,3,4} to {1,2,3,4}$ given by:
            $$1 mapsto 2, 2mapsto 3, 3mapsto 4, 4 mapsto 1 $$



            However, this is incredibly tedious to write out. Instead, we will use matrices to represent functions in $S_4$. In other words, we will let:



            $$f := bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$$
            where an element in row 1 of the matrix is mapped to the element below it in row 2 of the matrix by $f$.



            Now, when we are talking about order, we can talk about 2 things: the order of a group, and the order of an element of the group.



            The order of a group is the number of elements in that set, but we can also pick out an element from that group (in this case the group is $S_4$ and we're picking out an element from $S_4$) and we can ask what is the order of the element. The order of an element is the smallest positive number $n$ such that $x^n = 1$ where $x$ is the element of the group we are considering, and $1$ is the identity element in the group.



            In your case, when your professor says that $|omega| = 3$, what he means is that if you compose the function $omega in S_4$ with itself 3 times, you will get back the identity element of $S_4$. The identity element of $S_4$ is the identity function on ${1,2,3,4}$, i.e. the function:



            $$i = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$$



            For instance, although $omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$, we see that $omega^2 = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 4 & 2 & 1 & 3 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$, and $omega^3 = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 1 & 2 & 3 & 4 end{smallmatrix}bigr) = i$







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                In "cycle notation ", $omega=(134)$ is a $3$-cycle, and $tau=(1234)$ is a $4$-cycle.



                It happens that $n$-cycles always have order $n$.






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                  In "cycle notation ", $omega=(134)$ is a $3$-cycle, and $tau=(1234)$ is a $4$-cycle.



                  It happens that $n$-cycles always have order $n$.






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                    $begingroup$

                    In "cycle notation ", $omega=(134)$ is a $3$-cycle, and $tau=(1234)$ is a $4$-cycle.



                    It happens that $n$-cycles always have order $n$.






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                    In "cycle notation ", $omega=(134)$ is a $3$-cycle, and $tau=(1234)$ is a $4$-cycle.



                    It happens that $n$-cycles always have order $n$.







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                        $begingroup$

                        The common way how determine the order of an elements of a finite symmetric group is to subdivide this element - permutation - into one or more cyclic permutations, because (obviously):



                        $$ bbox[lightyellow,5px,border:0px solid yellow]{text {The order of a cyclic permutation is equal to the number of permuted elements.}}$$



                        Then the order of such subdivided element is calculated as the least common multiple of orders of these cyclic permutations.



                        I will show you in detail how to do it.





                        For $omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$: Select a number from the top row - for example $1$ - and trace the path of its gradual change until you meet the same element. You will see this path (traced numbers are on the left of the green line):
                        enter image description here
                        or
                        $$color{red}1 mapsto 3 mapsto 4 mapsto color{red}1$$



                        It is a cyclic permutation of 3 elements:
                        enter image description here



                        Then select one of remaining numbers - in our example it remains only one, namely number $2$ - and do the same with it. Tracing the remaining number $2$ we see that



                        $$color{red}2 mapsto color{red}2$$



                        which is identity of 1-element set, considered as a cyclic permutation, too.



                        Using the notation for cyclic permutations, the first one is



                        $$(1 3 4)$$



                        and the second one is simply $$(2)$$



                        As the result, we may write



                        $$bbox[lightcyan,5px,border:2px solid blue]{omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)= (1 3 4) (2)}$$



                        Now, the first, 3-element cyclic permutation
                        has order $mathbb 3$ (its "cycle" must turn 3-times $120^o$ to return to its initial position)
                        enter image description here



                        and order of the second one is $mathbb 1$ (order of identity). Their least common multiple $lcm(3, 1)=3$, so



                        $$bbox[yellow,5px,border:2px solid red]{ord(omega) = 3}$$





                        For $tau = bigl(begin{matrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{matrix}bigr)$ it is even easier, because it is a cyclic permutation itself:



                        $$color{red}1 mapsto 2 mapsto 3 mapsto 4 mapsto color{red}1$$



                        so we may write



                        $$bbox[lightcyan,5px,border:2px solid blue]{tau = left(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}right) = (1 2 3 4)}$$



                        and



                        $$bbox[yellow,5px,border:2px solid red]{ord(tau) = 4}$$






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                          $begingroup$

                          The common way how determine the order of an elements of a finite symmetric group is to subdivide this element - permutation - into one or more cyclic permutations, because (obviously):



                          $$ bbox[lightyellow,5px,border:0px solid yellow]{text {The order of a cyclic permutation is equal to the number of permuted elements.}}$$



                          Then the order of such subdivided element is calculated as the least common multiple of orders of these cyclic permutations.



                          I will show you in detail how to do it.





                          For $omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$: Select a number from the top row - for example $1$ - and trace the path of its gradual change until you meet the same element. You will see this path (traced numbers are on the left of the green line):
                          enter image description here
                          or
                          $$color{red}1 mapsto 3 mapsto 4 mapsto color{red}1$$



                          It is a cyclic permutation of 3 elements:
                          enter image description here



                          Then select one of remaining numbers - in our example it remains only one, namely number $2$ - and do the same with it. Tracing the remaining number $2$ we see that



                          $$color{red}2 mapsto color{red}2$$



                          which is identity of 1-element set, considered as a cyclic permutation, too.



                          Using the notation for cyclic permutations, the first one is



                          $$(1 3 4)$$



                          and the second one is simply $$(2)$$



                          As the result, we may write



                          $$bbox[lightcyan,5px,border:2px solid blue]{omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)= (1 3 4) (2)}$$



                          Now, the first, 3-element cyclic permutation
                          has order $mathbb 3$ (its "cycle" must turn 3-times $120^o$ to return to its initial position)
                          enter image description here



                          and order of the second one is $mathbb 1$ (order of identity). Their least common multiple $lcm(3, 1)=3$, so



                          $$bbox[yellow,5px,border:2px solid red]{ord(omega) = 3}$$





                          For $tau = bigl(begin{matrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{matrix}bigr)$ it is even easier, because it is a cyclic permutation itself:



                          $$color{red}1 mapsto 2 mapsto 3 mapsto 4 mapsto color{red}1$$



                          so we may write



                          $$bbox[lightcyan,5px,border:2px solid blue]{tau = left(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}right) = (1 2 3 4)}$$



                          and



                          $$bbox[yellow,5px,border:2px solid red]{ord(tau) = 4}$$






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                            -1












                            -1








                            -1





                            $begingroup$

                            The common way how determine the order of an elements of a finite symmetric group is to subdivide this element - permutation - into one or more cyclic permutations, because (obviously):



                            $$ bbox[lightyellow,5px,border:0px solid yellow]{text {The order of a cyclic permutation is equal to the number of permuted elements.}}$$



                            Then the order of such subdivided element is calculated as the least common multiple of orders of these cyclic permutations.



                            I will show you in detail how to do it.





                            For $omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$: Select a number from the top row - for example $1$ - and trace the path of its gradual change until you meet the same element. You will see this path (traced numbers are on the left of the green line):
                            enter image description here
                            or
                            $$color{red}1 mapsto 3 mapsto 4 mapsto color{red}1$$



                            It is a cyclic permutation of 3 elements:
                            enter image description here



                            Then select one of remaining numbers - in our example it remains only one, namely number $2$ - and do the same with it. Tracing the remaining number $2$ we see that



                            $$color{red}2 mapsto color{red}2$$



                            which is identity of 1-element set, considered as a cyclic permutation, too.



                            Using the notation for cyclic permutations, the first one is



                            $$(1 3 4)$$



                            and the second one is simply $$(2)$$



                            As the result, we may write



                            $$bbox[lightcyan,5px,border:2px solid blue]{omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)= (1 3 4) (2)}$$



                            Now, the first, 3-element cyclic permutation
                            has order $mathbb 3$ (its "cycle" must turn 3-times $120^o$ to return to its initial position)
                            enter image description here



                            and order of the second one is $mathbb 1$ (order of identity). Their least common multiple $lcm(3, 1)=3$, so



                            $$bbox[yellow,5px,border:2px solid red]{ord(omega) = 3}$$





                            For $tau = bigl(begin{matrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{matrix}bigr)$ it is even easier, because it is a cyclic permutation itself:



                            $$color{red}1 mapsto 2 mapsto 3 mapsto 4 mapsto color{red}1$$



                            so we may write



                            $$bbox[lightcyan,5px,border:2px solid blue]{tau = left(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}right) = (1 2 3 4)}$$



                            and



                            $$bbox[yellow,5px,border:2px solid red]{ord(tau) = 4}$$






                            share|cite|improve this answer











                            $endgroup$



                            The common way how determine the order of an elements of a finite symmetric group is to subdivide this element - permutation - into one or more cyclic permutations, because (obviously):



                            $$ bbox[lightyellow,5px,border:0px solid yellow]{text {The order of a cyclic permutation is equal to the number of permuted elements.}}$$



                            Then the order of such subdivided element is calculated as the least common multiple of orders of these cyclic permutations.



                            I will show you in detail how to do it.





                            For $omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)$: Select a number from the top row - for example $1$ - and trace the path of its gradual change until you meet the same element. You will see this path (traced numbers are on the left of the green line):
                            enter image description here
                            or
                            $$color{red}1 mapsto 3 mapsto 4 mapsto color{red}1$$



                            It is a cyclic permutation of 3 elements:
                            enter image description here



                            Then select one of remaining numbers - in our example it remains only one, namely number $2$ - and do the same with it. Tracing the remaining number $2$ we see that



                            $$color{red}2 mapsto color{red}2$$



                            which is identity of 1-element set, considered as a cyclic permutation, too.



                            Using the notation for cyclic permutations, the first one is



                            $$(1 3 4)$$



                            and the second one is simply $$(2)$$



                            As the result, we may write



                            $$bbox[lightcyan,5px,border:2px solid blue]{omega = bigl(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 3 & 2 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}bigr)= (1 3 4) (2)}$$



                            Now, the first, 3-element cyclic permutation
                            has order $mathbb 3$ (its "cycle" must turn 3-times $120^o$ to return to its initial position)
                            enter image description here



                            and order of the second one is $mathbb 1$ (order of identity). Their least common multiple $lcm(3, 1)=3$, so



                            $$bbox[yellow,5px,border:2px solid red]{ord(omega) = 3}$$





                            For $tau = bigl(begin{matrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{matrix}bigr)$ it is even easier, because it is a cyclic permutation itself:



                            $$color{red}1 mapsto 2 mapsto 3 mapsto 4 mapsto color{red}1$$



                            so we may write



                            $$bbox[lightcyan,5px,border:2px solid blue]{tau = left(begin{smallmatrix}1 & 2 & 3 & 4 \ 2 & 3 & 4 & 1 end{smallmatrix}right) = (1 2 3 4)}$$



                            and



                            $$bbox[yellow,5px,border:2px solid red]{ord(tau) = 4}$$







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