Solving the infinite radical $sqrt{6+sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+…}}}}$












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$$sqrt{6+sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}}$$



This is a modification on the well-known Ramanujan infinite radical, $sqrt{1+sqrt{1+2sqrt{1+3sqrt{1+cdots}}}}$, except it cannot be solved by the conventional method -- the functional equation $F(x)^2=ax+(n+a)^2+xF(x+n)$, since setting $n=1$ with $a=0$ requires having $(n+a)^2=1$, not $6$.



Here are some alternative methods I've tried:




  • The functional equation we have instead for this infinite radical is $F(x)^2=6+xF(x+1)$. I've tried to solve this, but unfortunately it's easy to demonstrate that $F(x)$ cannot be a simple linear function $F(x)=ax+b$. I've tried some slightly more complicated versions -- the equation for a hyperbola, etc. -- but nothing seems to work.

  • I've tried factoring stuff out from the radical to bring it to a more tenable form. Perhaps not a satisfactorily rigorous approach, I thought of factoring out $sqrt{6^{N/2}}$ where $Ntoinfty$, which allows us to transform the radical into $6^{-N/2}sqrt{6^{N+1}+sqrt{6^{2N+1}+2sqrt{6^{4N+1}+cdots}}}$, which can be treated as having each term a power of $6^{N/2}$ in the limit. For a radical of the form $sqrt{alpha^2+sqrt{alpha^4+2sqrt{alpha^8+cdots}}}$ we have the functional equation $F(x)^2=alpha^{2^x}+xF(x+1)$, or upon letting $F(x)=alpha^{2^x}p(x)$, you get $p(x)^2-xp(x+1)=alpha^{-2^x}$, but I'm stuck there.

  • Similarly, I tried factoring out some arbitrary $N$ then factoring out a term from each radical inside such that the coefficients go from being $1,2,3,cdots$ to a constant $1/N,1/N,1/N...$, transforming the radical into $Nsqrt{frac6{N^2}+frac1Nsqrt{frac6{N^2}+frac1Nsqrt{frac{24}{N^2}+frac1Nsqrt{frac{864}{N^2}+frac1Nsqrt{frac{1990656}{N^2}+cdots}}}}}$ where the added terms go as $k_1=6$, $k_{n+1}=frac{n^2}6k_n^2$. But how might one proceed?

  • I considered differentiating the function $G(x)=sqrt{x+sqrt{x+2sqrt{x+3sqrt{x+cdots}}}}$. But all I got was an equally weird differential equation:


$$frac{df}{dx}=frac{1+frac{1+frac{1+frac{{mathinner{mkern2muraise1pthbox{.}mkern2mu raise4pthbox{.}mkern2muraise7pthbox{.}mkern1mu}}}{frac23frac{left(frac{left(f(x)^2-xright)^2-x}{2}right)^2-x}{3}}}{frac22frac{left(f(x)^2-xright)^2-x}{2}}}{frac21left(f(x)^2-xright)}}{2f(x)}$$



Any ideas as to how I might proceed?/Any alternative (hopefully less tedious, but regardless) methods that might work?





I created a small program to play with this. The exact answer (perhaps as an infinite series) may contain $sqrt{6}+1/2+...$ somewhere in it, because as you increase the number replacing 6, the radical approaches $sqrt{x}+1/2$. Of course, this term just comes from the binomial series for $sqrt{6+sqrt{6}}$.



I also got nothing on the inverse symbolic calculator.





Here's another possible approach: one may consider the sequence of polynomials:



$$P_1:x^2-6=x$$
$$P_2:left(frac{x^2-6}2right)^2-6=x$$
$$P_3:left(frac{left(frac{x^2-6}2right)^2-6}3right)^2-6=x$$



Formed by taking recurrent approximations to the infinite radical. The limit of $P_n$ as $ntoinfty$ is the root of some function with a power series expansion that can perhaps be calculated in this form. But what is the power series expansion?



Note that the polynomial gets very complicated very quick. E.g. here's $P_5$:



$$frac{x^{32}}{2751882854400}-frac{x^{30}}{28665446400}+frac{43x^{28}}{28665446400}-frac{91x^{26}}{2388787200}+frac{121x^{24}}{191102976}-frac{53x^{22}}{7372800}+frac{11167x^{20}}{199065600}-frac{4817x^{18}}{16588800}+frac{57659x^{16}}{66355200}-frac{x^{14}}{1382400}-frac{9491x^{12}}{1382400}+frac{367x^{10}}{12800}-frac{2443x^8}{46080}+frac{179x^6}{9600}+frac{2233x^4}{9600}-frac{71x^2}{160}-x-frac{33359}{6400}=0$$



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    why wouly you expect anything pretty to happen ?
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    What is the limit value ? With estimates I get about $,sqrt{6}+frac{1}{sqrt{2}},$ but perhaps that's too much ? Or not enough ? (I have no programm with me to calculate it.)
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    Bravo for typing the expression for $df/dx$ in $LaTeX$ though :)
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    @user90369 I ran a quick program to check it out (and the value it gives is right to all the given decimal places) -- unfortunately, yours goes wrong at the third decimal place. It's definitely not $sqrt{10}$, though.
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    @AbhimanyuPallaviSudhir : Thanks a lot for checking it, very kind of you.
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$$sqrt{6+sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}}$$



This is a modification on the well-known Ramanujan infinite radical, $sqrt{1+sqrt{1+2sqrt{1+3sqrt{1+cdots}}}}$, except it cannot be solved by the conventional method -- the functional equation $F(x)^2=ax+(n+a)^2+xF(x+n)$, since setting $n=1$ with $a=0$ requires having $(n+a)^2=1$, not $6$.



Here are some alternative methods I've tried:




  • The functional equation we have instead for this infinite radical is $F(x)^2=6+xF(x+1)$. I've tried to solve this, but unfortunately it's easy to demonstrate that $F(x)$ cannot be a simple linear function $F(x)=ax+b$. I've tried some slightly more complicated versions -- the equation for a hyperbola, etc. -- but nothing seems to work.

  • I've tried factoring stuff out from the radical to bring it to a more tenable form. Perhaps not a satisfactorily rigorous approach, I thought of factoring out $sqrt{6^{N/2}}$ where $Ntoinfty$, which allows us to transform the radical into $6^{-N/2}sqrt{6^{N+1}+sqrt{6^{2N+1}+2sqrt{6^{4N+1}+cdots}}}$, which can be treated as having each term a power of $6^{N/2}$ in the limit. For a radical of the form $sqrt{alpha^2+sqrt{alpha^4+2sqrt{alpha^8+cdots}}}$ we have the functional equation $F(x)^2=alpha^{2^x}+xF(x+1)$, or upon letting $F(x)=alpha^{2^x}p(x)$, you get $p(x)^2-xp(x+1)=alpha^{-2^x}$, but I'm stuck there.

  • Similarly, I tried factoring out some arbitrary $N$ then factoring out a term from each radical inside such that the coefficients go from being $1,2,3,cdots$ to a constant $1/N,1/N,1/N...$, transforming the radical into $Nsqrt{frac6{N^2}+frac1Nsqrt{frac6{N^2}+frac1Nsqrt{frac{24}{N^2}+frac1Nsqrt{frac{864}{N^2}+frac1Nsqrt{frac{1990656}{N^2}+cdots}}}}}$ where the added terms go as $k_1=6$, $k_{n+1}=frac{n^2}6k_n^2$. But how might one proceed?

  • I considered differentiating the function $G(x)=sqrt{x+sqrt{x+2sqrt{x+3sqrt{x+cdots}}}}$. But all I got was an equally weird differential equation:


$$frac{df}{dx}=frac{1+frac{1+frac{1+frac{{mathinner{mkern2muraise1pthbox{.}mkern2mu raise4pthbox{.}mkern2muraise7pthbox{.}mkern1mu}}}{frac23frac{left(frac{left(f(x)^2-xright)^2-x}{2}right)^2-x}{3}}}{frac22frac{left(f(x)^2-xright)^2-x}{2}}}{frac21left(f(x)^2-xright)}}{2f(x)}$$



Any ideas as to how I might proceed?/Any alternative (hopefully less tedious, but regardless) methods that might work?





I created a small program to play with this. The exact answer (perhaps as an infinite series) may contain $sqrt{6}+1/2+...$ somewhere in it, because as you increase the number replacing 6, the radical approaches $sqrt{x}+1/2$. Of course, this term just comes from the binomial series for $sqrt{6+sqrt{6}}$.



I also got nothing on the inverse symbolic calculator.





Here's another possible approach: one may consider the sequence of polynomials:



$$P_1:x^2-6=x$$
$$P_2:left(frac{x^2-6}2right)^2-6=x$$
$$P_3:left(frac{left(frac{x^2-6}2right)^2-6}3right)^2-6=x$$



Formed by taking recurrent approximations to the infinite radical. The limit of $P_n$ as $ntoinfty$ is the root of some function with a power series expansion that can perhaps be calculated in this form. But what is the power series expansion?



Note that the polynomial gets very complicated very quick. E.g. here's $P_5$:



$$frac{x^{32}}{2751882854400}-frac{x^{30}}{28665446400}+frac{43x^{28}}{28665446400}-frac{91x^{26}}{2388787200}+frac{121x^{24}}{191102976}-frac{53x^{22}}{7372800}+frac{11167x^{20}}{199065600}-frac{4817x^{18}}{16588800}+frac{57659x^{16}}{66355200}-frac{x^{14}}{1382400}-frac{9491x^{12}}{1382400}+frac{367x^{10}}{12800}-frac{2443x^8}{46080}+frac{179x^6}{9600}+frac{2233x^4}{9600}-frac{71x^2}{160}-x-frac{33359}{6400}=0$$



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    What is the limit value ? With estimates I get about $,sqrt{6}+frac{1}{sqrt{2}},$ but perhaps that's too much ? Or not enough ? (I have no programm with me to calculate it.)
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    Bravo for typing the expression for $df/dx$ in $LaTeX$ though :)
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    @user90369 I ran a quick program to check it out (and the value it gives is right to all the given decimal places) -- unfortunately, yours goes wrong at the third decimal place. It's definitely not $sqrt{10}$, though.
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    – Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
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    @AbhimanyuPallaviSudhir : Thanks a lot for checking it, very kind of you.
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$$sqrt{6+sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}}$$



This is a modification on the well-known Ramanujan infinite radical, $sqrt{1+sqrt{1+2sqrt{1+3sqrt{1+cdots}}}}$, except it cannot be solved by the conventional method -- the functional equation $F(x)^2=ax+(n+a)^2+xF(x+n)$, since setting $n=1$ with $a=0$ requires having $(n+a)^2=1$, not $6$.



Here are some alternative methods I've tried:




  • The functional equation we have instead for this infinite radical is $F(x)^2=6+xF(x+1)$. I've tried to solve this, but unfortunately it's easy to demonstrate that $F(x)$ cannot be a simple linear function $F(x)=ax+b$. I've tried some slightly more complicated versions -- the equation for a hyperbola, etc. -- but nothing seems to work.

  • I've tried factoring stuff out from the radical to bring it to a more tenable form. Perhaps not a satisfactorily rigorous approach, I thought of factoring out $sqrt{6^{N/2}}$ where $Ntoinfty$, which allows us to transform the radical into $6^{-N/2}sqrt{6^{N+1}+sqrt{6^{2N+1}+2sqrt{6^{4N+1}+cdots}}}$, which can be treated as having each term a power of $6^{N/2}$ in the limit. For a radical of the form $sqrt{alpha^2+sqrt{alpha^4+2sqrt{alpha^8+cdots}}}$ we have the functional equation $F(x)^2=alpha^{2^x}+xF(x+1)$, or upon letting $F(x)=alpha^{2^x}p(x)$, you get $p(x)^2-xp(x+1)=alpha^{-2^x}$, but I'm stuck there.

  • Similarly, I tried factoring out some arbitrary $N$ then factoring out a term from each radical inside such that the coefficients go from being $1,2,3,cdots$ to a constant $1/N,1/N,1/N...$, transforming the radical into $Nsqrt{frac6{N^2}+frac1Nsqrt{frac6{N^2}+frac1Nsqrt{frac{24}{N^2}+frac1Nsqrt{frac{864}{N^2}+frac1Nsqrt{frac{1990656}{N^2}+cdots}}}}}$ where the added terms go as $k_1=6$, $k_{n+1}=frac{n^2}6k_n^2$. But how might one proceed?

  • I considered differentiating the function $G(x)=sqrt{x+sqrt{x+2sqrt{x+3sqrt{x+cdots}}}}$. But all I got was an equally weird differential equation:


$$frac{df}{dx}=frac{1+frac{1+frac{1+frac{{mathinner{mkern2muraise1pthbox{.}mkern2mu raise4pthbox{.}mkern2muraise7pthbox{.}mkern1mu}}}{frac23frac{left(frac{left(f(x)^2-xright)^2-x}{2}right)^2-x}{3}}}{frac22frac{left(f(x)^2-xright)^2-x}{2}}}{frac21left(f(x)^2-xright)}}{2f(x)}$$



Any ideas as to how I might proceed?/Any alternative (hopefully less tedious, but regardless) methods that might work?





I created a small program to play with this. The exact answer (perhaps as an infinite series) may contain $sqrt{6}+1/2+...$ somewhere in it, because as you increase the number replacing 6, the radical approaches $sqrt{x}+1/2$. Of course, this term just comes from the binomial series for $sqrt{6+sqrt{6}}$.



I also got nothing on the inverse symbolic calculator.





Here's another possible approach: one may consider the sequence of polynomials:



$$P_1:x^2-6=x$$
$$P_2:left(frac{x^2-6}2right)^2-6=x$$
$$P_3:left(frac{left(frac{x^2-6}2right)^2-6}3right)^2-6=x$$



Formed by taking recurrent approximations to the infinite radical. The limit of $P_n$ as $ntoinfty$ is the root of some function with a power series expansion that can perhaps be calculated in this form. But what is the power series expansion?



Note that the polynomial gets very complicated very quick. E.g. here's $P_5$:



$$frac{x^{32}}{2751882854400}-frac{x^{30}}{28665446400}+frac{43x^{28}}{28665446400}-frac{91x^{26}}{2388787200}+frac{121x^{24}}{191102976}-frac{53x^{22}}{7372800}+frac{11167x^{20}}{199065600}-frac{4817x^{18}}{16588800}+frac{57659x^{16}}{66355200}-frac{x^{14}}{1382400}-frac{9491x^{12}}{1382400}+frac{367x^{10}}{12800}-frac{2443x^8}{46080}+frac{179x^6}{9600}+frac{2233x^4}{9600}-frac{71x^2}{160}-x-frac{33359}{6400}=0$$



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$$sqrt{6+sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}}$$



This is a modification on the well-known Ramanujan infinite radical, $sqrt{1+sqrt{1+2sqrt{1+3sqrt{1+cdots}}}}$, except it cannot be solved by the conventional method -- the functional equation $F(x)^2=ax+(n+a)^2+xF(x+n)$, since setting $n=1$ with $a=0$ requires having $(n+a)^2=1$, not $6$.



Here are some alternative methods I've tried:




  • The functional equation we have instead for this infinite radical is $F(x)^2=6+xF(x+1)$. I've tried to solve this, but unfortunately it's easy to demonstrate that $F(x)$ cannot be a simple linear function $F(x)=ax+b$. I've tried some slightly more complicated versions -- the equation for a hyperbola, etc. -- but nothing seems to work.

  • I've tried factoring stuff out from the radical to bring it to a more tenable form. Perhaps not a satisfactorily rigorous approach, I thought of factoring out $sqrt{6^{N/2}}$ where $Ntoinfty$, which allows us to transform the radical into $6^{-N/2}sqrt{6^{N+1}+sqrt{6^{2N+1}+2sqrt{6^{4N+1}+cdots}}}$, which can be treated as having each term a power of $6^{N/2}$ in the limit. For a radical of the form $sqrt{alpha^2+sqrt{alpha^4+2sqrt{alpha^8+cdots}}}$ we have the functional equation $F(x)^2=alpha^{2^x}+xF(x+1)$, or upon letting $F(x)=alpha^{2^x}p(x)$, you get $p(x)^2-xp(x+1)=alpha^{-2^x}$, but I'm stuck there.

  • Similarly, I tried factoring out some arbitrary $N$ then factoring out a term from each radical inside such that the coefficients go from being $1,2,3,cdots$ to a constant $1/N,1/N,1/N...$, transforming the radical into $Nsqrt{frac6{N^2}+frac1Nsqrt{frac6{N^2}+frac1Nsqrt{frac{24}{N^2}+frac1Nsqrt{frac{864}{N^2}+frac1Nsqrt{frac{1990656}{N^2}+cdots}}}}}$ where the added terms go as $k_1=6$, $k_{n+1}=frac{n^2}6k_n^2$. But how might one proceed?

  • I considered differentiating the function $G(x)=sqrt{x+sqrt{x+2sqrt{x+3sqrt{x+cdots}}}}$. But all I got was an equally weird differential equation:


$$frac{df}{dx}=frac{1+frac{1+frac{1+frac{{mathinner{mkern2muraise1pthbox{.}mkern2mu raise4pthbox{.}mkern2muraise7pthbox{.}mkern1mu}}}{frac23frac{left(frac{left(f(x)^2-xright)^2-x}{2}right)^2-x}{3}}}{frac22frac{left(f(x)^2-xright)^2-x}{2}}}{frac21left(f(x)^2-xright)}}{2f(x)}$$



Any ideas as to how I might proceed?/Any alternative (hopefully less tedious, but regardless) methods that might work?





I created a small program to play with this. The exact answer (perhaps as an infinite series) may contain $sqrt{6}+1/2+...$ somewhere in it, because as you increase the number replacing 6, the radical approaches $sqrt{x}+1/2$. Of course, this term just comes from the binomial series for $sqrt{6+sqrt{6}}$.



I also got nothing on the inverse symbolic calculator.





Here's another possible approach: one may consider the sequence of polynomials:



$$P_1:x^2-6=x$$
$$P_2:left(frac{x^2-6}2right)^2-6=x$$
$$P_3:left(frac{left(frac{x^2-6}2right)^2-6}3right)^2-6=x$$



Formed by taking recurrent approximations to the infinite radical. The limit of $P_n$ as $ntoinfty$ is the root of some function with a power series expansion that can perhaps be calculated in this form. But what is the power series expansion?



Note that the polynomial gets very complicated very quick. E.g. here's $P_5$:



$$frac{x^{32}}{2751882854400}-frac{x^{30}}{28665446400}+frac{43x^{28}}{28665446400}-frac{91x^{26}}{2388787200}+frac{121x^{24}}{191102976}-frac{53x^{22}}{7372800}+frac{11167x^{20}}{199065600}-frac{4817x^{18}}{16588800}+frac{57659x^{16}}{66355200}-frac{x^{14}}{1382400}-frac{9491x^{12}}{1382400}+frac{367x^{10}}{12800}-frac{2443x^8}{46080}+frac{179x^6}{9600}+frac{2233x^4}{9600}-frac{71x^2}{160}-x-frac{33359}{6400}=0$$



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    why wouly you expect anything pretty to happen ?
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    What is the limit value ? With estimates I get about $,sqrt{6}+frac{1}{sqrt{2}},$ but perhaps that's too much ? Or not enough ? (I have no programm with me to calculate it.)
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    Bravo for typing the expression for $df/dx$ in $LaTeX$ though :)
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    @user90369 I ran a quick program to check it out (and the value it gives is right to all the given decimal places) -- unfortunately, yours goes wrong at the third decimal place. It's definitely not $sqrt{10}$, though.
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    @AbhimanyuPallaviSudhir : Thanks a lot for checking it, very kind of you.
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    why wouly you expect anything pretty to happen ?
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    What is the limit value ? With estimates I get about $,sqrt{6}+frac{1}{sqrt{2}},$ but perhaps that's too much ? Or not enough ? (I have no programm with me to calculate it.)
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    Bravo for typing the expression for $df/dx$ in $LaTeX$ though :)
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    @user90369 I ran a quick program to check it out (and the value it gives is right to all the given decimal places) -- unfortunately, yours goes wrong at the third decimal place. It's definitely not $sqrt{10}$, though.
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    @AbhimanyuPallaviSudhir : Thanks a lot for checking it, very kind of you.
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why wouly you expect anything pretty to happen ?
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why wouly you expect anything pretty to happen ?
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What is the limit value ? With estimates I get about $,sqrt{6}+frac{1}{sqrt{2}},$ but perhaps that's too much ? Or not enough ? (I have no programm with me to calculate it.)
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What is the limit value ? With estimates I get about $,sqrt{6}+frac{1}{sqrt{2}},$ but perhaps that's too much ? Or not enough ? (I have no programm with me to calculate it.)
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Bravo for typing the expression for $df/dx$ in $LaTeX$ though :)
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Bravo for typing the expression for $df/dx$ in $LaTeX$ though :)
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@user90369 I ran a quick program to check it out (and the value it gives is right to all the given decimal places) -- unfortunately, yours goes wrong at the third decimal place. It's definitely not $sqrt{10}$, though.
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@user90369 I ran a quick program to check it out (and the value it gives is right to all the given decimal places) -- unfortunately, yours goes wrong at the third decimal place. It's definitely not $sqrt{10}$, though.
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@AbhimanyuPallaviSudhir : Thanks a lot for checking it, very kind of you.
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Currently not correct answer; but I keep it for the record (and hopefully whenever I manage to make any progress on it)



Let $$G:=sqrt{6+sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}}$$ Then define $$F:=G^2-6=sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}$$ which is easier to work with. Following on from this method, we can immediately match up $n$ and $x$. They are $n=1$ and $x=2$ (as can be observed in the radical).



Finally, we find $a$. The value of $6$ corresponds to $ax+(n+a)^2=2a+(1+a)^2$ so we solve $$6=a^2+4a+1implies(a-1)(a+5)=0implies a=1,-5.$$



The result is given as $$F=x+n+a=3+a$$ and since $F$ is clearly non-negative, we have that $a=1$ so $$G=sqrt{6+F}=sqrt{6+3+1}=color{red}{sqrt{10}}.$$






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    Mistyped the last line maybe ? $F=1$ is not realistic and $6+1$ is not $10$. Should be $sqrt{6+3+1}=sqrt{10}$.
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    This is evidently incorrect -- to use that expression, you need $ax+(n+a)^2=6$, $a(x+n)+(n+a)^2=6$, $a(x+2n)+(n+a)^2=6$, etc. -- only the first of these is true when you set $a=1$ (or any non-zero number). The infinite radical you are evaluating is $sqrt {6 + 2sqrt {7 + 3sqrt {8 + 4sqrt {9...} } } }$ ... This is why the question is tougher than Ramanujan's original problem, $a$ must equal zero for the term "6" to remain constant, but that isn't possible.
    $endgroup$
    – Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:04












  • $begingroup$
    Well spotted. The value of $sqrt{10}$ can thus be an upper bound. I'll see what I can make out of this problem this week.
    $endgroup$
    – TheSimpliFire
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:33



















0












$begingroup$

Hint.



Considering the function



$$
f(x) = sqrt{6+(x+1)sqrt{6+(x+2)sqrt{6+(x+3)sqrt{6+(x+4)(cdots)}}}}
$$



we have the recurrence



$$
f(x) = sqrt{6+(x+1)f(x+1)}
$$



or squaring



$$
f^2(x) = 6 + (x+1) f(x+1)
$$



Those kind of equations have an almost linear behavior so making



$$
f(x) = a x + b
$$



and substituting into the recurrence relationship we have



$$
a^2 x^2+2 a b x-a x^2-2 a x-a+b^2-b x-b-6 = 0
$$



Considering that we are interested on values near $x = 0$ we follow with



$$
2 a b x-2 a x-a+b^2-b x-b-6 = 0
$$



thus obtaining



$$
left{
begin{array}{rcl}
b^2-b-a-6=0 \
2 b a-2 a-b=0 \
end{array}
right.
$$



obtaining the feasible values



$$
a = 0.733360\
b = 3.142604\
$$



so the guess for $f(0) $ is



$$
sqrt{6+sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}}approx 3.142604
$$



NOTE



This value is a little smaller than the real value $approx 3.15433$






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    I can't see how this helps any. If this is simply meant to be a suggestion, using the comments is probably more appropriate.
    $endgroup$
    – Simply Beautiful Art
    Jul 3 '18 at 13:31










  • $begingroup$
    I know you can do this, but this is just an approximation, and isn't particularly more useful than just cutting off the nesting at $6+100sqrt{6}$, or something like that.
    $endgroup$
    – Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:05










  • $begingroup$
    Not quite true. If the sequence were $sqrt{6+2sqrt{7+3sqrt{8+4sqrt{9+cdots}}}}$ (Ramanujan) this method should give the exact answer.
    $endgroup$
    – Cesareo
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:29












  • $begingroup$
    Yes, I know, but there you would actually have a linear function. Here it's only an approximation.
    $endgroup$
    – Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:33










  • $begingroup$
    And as an approximation was considered.
    $endgroup$
    – Cesareo
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:36











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Currently not correct answer; but I keep it for the record (and hopefully whenever I manage to make any progress on it)



Let $$G:=sqrt{6+sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}}$$ Then define $$F:=G^2-6=sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}$$ which is easier to work with. Following on from this method, we can immediately match up $n$ and $x$. They are $n=1$ and $x=2$ (as can be observed in the radical).



Finally, we find $a$. The value of $6$ corresponds to $ax+(n+a)^2=2a+(1+a)^2$ so we solve $$6=a^2+4a+1implies(a-1)(a+5)=0implies a=1,-5.$$



The result is given as $$F=x+n+a=3+a$$ and since $F$ is clearly non-negative, we have that $a=1$ so $$G=sqrt{6+F}=sqrt{6+3+1}=color{red}{sqrt{10}}.$$






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  • $begingroup$
    Mistyped the last line maybe ? $F=1$ is not realistic and $6+1$ is not $10$. Should be $sqrt{6+3+1}=sqrt{10}$.
    $endgroup$
    – Oscar Lanzi
    Jul 3 '18 at 15:14






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @OscarLanzi Thank you. I have corrected the typo.
    $endgroup$
    – TheSimpliFire
    Jul 3 '18 at 15:15






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    This is evidently incorrect -- to use that expression, you need $ax+(n+a)^2=6$, $a(x+n)+(n+a)^2=6$, $a(x+2n)+(n+a)^2=6$, etc. -- only the first of these is true when you set $a=1$ (or any non-zero number). The infinite radical you are evaluating is $sqrt {6 + 2sqrt {7 + 3sqrt {8 + 4sqrt {9...} } } }$ ... This is why the question is tougher than Ramanujan's original problem, $a$ must equal zero for the term "6" to remain constant, but that isn't possible.
    $endgroup$
    – Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:04












  • $begingroup$
    Well spotted. The value of $sqrt{10}$ can thus be an upper bound. I'll see what I can make out of this problem this week.
    $endgroup$
    – TheSimpliFire
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:33
















6












$begingroup$

Currently not correct answer; but I keep it for the record (and hopefully whenever I manage to make any progress on it)



Let $$G:=sqrt{6+sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}}$$ Then define $$F:=G^2-6=sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}$$ which is easier to work with. Following on from this method, we can immediately match up $n$ and $x$. They are $n=1$ and $x=2$ (as can be observed in the radical).



Finally, we find $a$. The value of $6$ corresponds to $ax+(n+a)^2=2a+(1+a)^2$ so we solve $$6=a^2+4a+1implies(a-1)(a+5)=0implies a=1,-5.$$



The result is given as $$F=x+n+a=3+a$$ and since $F$ is clearly non-negative, we have that $a=1$ so $$G=sqrt{6+F}=sqrt{6+3+1}=color{red}{sqrt{10}}.$$






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  • $begingroup$
    Mistyped the last line maybe ? $F=1$ is not realistic and $6+1$ is not $10$. Should be $sqrt{6+3+1}=sqrt{10}$.
    $endgroup$
    – Oscar Lanzi
    Jul 3 '18 at 15:14






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @OscarLanzi Thank you. I have corrected the typo.
    $endgroup$
    – TheSimpliFire
    Jul 3 '18 at 15:15






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    This is evidently incorrect -- to use that expression, you need $ax+(n+a)^2=6$, $a(x+n)+(n+a)^2=6$, $a(x+2n)+(n+a)^2=6$, etc. -- only the first of these is true when you set $a=1$ (or any non-zero number). The infinite radical you are evaluating is $sqrt {6 + 2sqrt {7 + 3sqrt {8 + 4sqrt {9...} } } }$ ... This is why the question is tougher than Ramanujan's original problem, $a$ must equal zero for the term "6" to remain constant, but that isn't possible.
    $endgroup$
    – Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:04












  • $begingroup$
    Well spotted. The value of $sqrt{10}$ can thus be an upper bound. I'll see what I can make out of this problem this week.
    $endgroup$
    – TheSimpliFire
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:33














6












6








6





$begingroup$

Currently not correct answer; but I keep it for the record (and hopefully whenever I manage to make any progress on it)



Let $$G:=sqrt{6+sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}}$$ Then define $$F:=G^2-6=sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}$$ which is easier to work with. Following on from this method, we can immediately match up $n$ and $x$. They are $n=1$ and $x=2$ (as can be observed in the radical).



Finally, we find $a$. The value of $6$ corresponds to $ax+(n+a)^2=2a+(1+a)^2$ so we solve $$6=a^2+4a+1implies(a-1)(a+5)=0implies a=1,-5.$$



The result is given as $$F=x+n+a=3+a$$ and since $F$ is clearly non-negative, we have that $a=1$ so $$G=sqrt{6+F}=sqrt{6+3+1}=color{red}{sqrt{10}}.$$






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Currently not correct answer; but I keep it for the record (and hopefully whenever I manage to make any progress on it)



Let $$G:=sqrt{6+sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}}$$ Then define $$F:=G^2-6=sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}$$ which is easier to work with. Following on from this method, we can immediately match up $n$ and $x$. They are $n=1$ and $x=2$ (as can be observed in the radical).



Finally, we find $a$. The value of $6$ corresponds to $ax+(n+a)^2=2a+(1+a)^2$ so we solve $$6=a^2+4a+1implies(a-1)(a+5)=0implies a=1,-5.$$



The result is given as $$F=x+n+a=3+a$$ and since $F$ is clearly non-negative, we have that $a=1$ so $$G=sqrt{6+F}=sqrt{6+3+1}=color{red}{sqrt{10}}.$$







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  • $begingroup$
    Mistyped the last line maybe ? $F=1$ is not realistic and $6+1$ is not $10$. Should be $sqrt{6+3+1}=sqrt{10}$.
    $endgroup$
    – Oscar Lanzi
    Jul 3 '18 at 15:14






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @OscarLanzi Thank you. I have corrected the typo.
    $endgroup$
    – TheSimpliFire
    Jul 3 '18 at 15:15






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    This is evidently incorrect -- to use that expression, you need $ax+(n+a)^2=6$, $a(x+n)+(n+a)^2=6$, $a(x+2n)+(n+a)^2=6$, etc. -- only the first of these is true when you set $a=1$ (or any non-zero number). The infinite radical you are evaluating is $sqrt {6 + 2sqrt {7 + 3sqrt {8 + 4sqrt {9...} } } }$ ... This is why the question is tougher than Ramanujan's original problem, $a$ must equal zero for the term "6" to remain constant, but that isn't possible.
    $endgroup$
    – Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:04












  • $begingroup$
    Well spotted. The value of $sqrt{10}$ can thus be an upper bound. I'll see what I can make out of this problem this week.
    $endgroup$
    – TheSimpliFire
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:33


















  • $begingroup$
    Mistyped the last line maybe ? $F=1$ is not realistic and $6+1$ is not $10$. Should be $sqrt{6+3+1}=sqrt{10}$.
    $endgroup$
    – Oscar Lanzi
    Jul 3 '18 at 15:14






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    @OscarLanzi Thank you. I have corrected the typo.
    $endgroup$
    – TheSimpliFire
    Jul 3 '18 at 15:15






  • 1




    $begingroup$
    This is evidently incorrect -- to use that expression, you need $ax+(n+a)^2=6$, $a(x+n)+(n+a)^2=6$, $a(x+2n)+(n+a)^2=6$, etc. -- only the first of these is true when you set $a=1$ (or any non-zero number). The infinite radical you are evaluating is $sqrt {6 + 2sqrt {7 + 3sqrt {8 + 4sqrt {9...} } } }$ ... This is why the question is tougher than Ramanujan's original problem, $a$ must equal zero for the term "6" to remain constant, but that isn't possible.
    $endgroup$
    – Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:04












  • $begingroup$
    Well spotted. The value of $sqrt{10}$ can thus be an upper bound. I'll see what I can make out of this problem this week.
    $endgroup$
    – TheSimpliFire
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:33
















$begingroup$
Mistyped the last line maybe ? $F=1$ is not realistic and $6+1$ is not $10$. Should be $sqrt{6+3+1}=sqrt{10}$.
$endgroup$
– Oscar Lanzi
Jul 3 '18 at 15:14




$begingroup$
Mistyped the last line maybe ? $F=1$ is not realistic and $6+1$ is not $10$. Should be $sqrt{6+3+1}=sqrt{10}$.
$endgroup$
– Oscar Lanzi
Jul 3 '18 at 15:14




1




1




$begingroup$
@OscarLanzi Thank you. I have corrected the typo.
$endgroup$
– TheSimpliFire
Jul 3 '18 at 15:15




$begingroup$
@OscarLanzi Thank you. I have corrected the typo.
$endgroup$
– TheSimpliFire
Jul 3 '18 at 15:15




1




1




$begingroup$
This is evidently incorrect -- to use that expression, you need $ax+(n+a)^2=6$, $a(x+n)+(n+a)^2=6$, $a(x+2n)+(n+a)^2=6$, etc. -- only the first of these is true when you set $a=1$ (or any non-zero number). The infinite radical you are evaluating is $sqrt {6 + 2sqrt {7 + 3sqrt {8 + 4sqrt {9...} } } }$ ... This is why the question is tougher than Ramanujan's original problem, $a$ must equal zero for the term "6" to remain constant, but that isn't possible.
$endgroup$
– Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
Jul 3 '18 at 16:04






$begingroup$
This is evidently incorrect -- to use that expression, you need $ax+(n+a)^2=6$, $a(x+n)+(n+a)^2=6$, $a(x+2n)+(n+a)^2=6$, etc. -- only the first of these is true when you set $a=1$ (or any non-zero number). The infinite radical you are evaluating is $sqrt {6 + 2sqrt {7 + 3sqrt {8 + 4sqrt {9...} } } }$ ... This is why the question is tougher than Ramanujan's original problem, $a$ must equal zero for the term "6" to remain constant, but that isn't possible.
$endgroup$
– Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
Jul 3 '18 at 16:04














$begingroup$
Well spotted. The value of $sqrt{10}$ can thus be an upper bound. I'll see what I can make out of this problem this week.
$endgroup$
– TheSimpliFire
Jul 3 '18 at 16:33




$begingroup$
Well spotted. The value of $sqrt{10}$ can thus be an upper bound. I'll see what I can make out of this problem this week.
$endgroup$
– TheSimpliFire
Jul 3 '18 at 16:33











0












$begingroup$

Hint.



Considering the function



$$
f(x) = sqrt{6+(x+1)sqrt{6+(x+2)sqrt{6+(x+3)sqrt{6+(x+4)(cdots)}}}}
$$



we have the recurrence



$$
f(x) = sqrt{6+(x+1)f(x+1)}
$$



or squaring



$$
f^2(x) = 6 + (x+1) f(x+1)
$$



Those kind of equations have an almost linear behavior so making



$$
f(x) = a x + b
$$



and substituting into the recurrence relationship we have



$$
a^2 x^2+2 a b x-a x^2-2 a x-a+b^2-b x-b-6 = 0
$$



Considering that we are interested on values near $x = 0$ we follow with



$$
2 a b x-2 a x-a+b^2-b x-b-6 = 0
$$



thus obtaining



$$
left{
begin{array}{rcl}
b^2-b-a-6=0 \
2 b a-2 a-b=0 \
end{array}
right.
$$



obtaining the feasible values



$$
a = 0.733360\
b = 3.142604\
$$



so the guess for $f(0) $ is



$$
sqrt{6+sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}}approx 3.142604
$$



NOTE



This value is a little smaller than the real value $approx 3.15433$






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  • 2




    $begingroup$
    I can't see how this helps any. If this is simply meant to be a suggestion, using the comments is probably more appropriate.
    $endgroup$
    – Simply Beautiful Art
    Jul 3 '18 at 13:31










  • $begingroup$
    I know you can do this, but this is just an approximation, and isn't particularly more useful than just cutting off the nesting at $6+100sqrt{6}$, or something like that.
    $endgroup$
    – Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:05










  • $begingroup$
    Not quite true. If the sequence were $sqrt{6+2sqrt{7+3sqrt{8+4sqrt{9+cdots}}}}$ (Ramanujan) this method should give the exact answer.
    $endgroup$
    – Cesareo
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:29












  • $begingroup$
    Yes, I know, but there you would actually have a linear function. Here it's only an approximation.
    $endgroup$
    – Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:33










  • $begingroup$
    And as an approximation was considered.
    $endgroup$
    – Cesareo
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:36
















0












$begingroup$

Hint.



Considering the function



$$
f(x) = sqrt{6+(x+1)sqrt{6+(x+2)sqrt{6+(x+3)sqrt{6+(x+4)(cdots)}}}}
$$



we have the recurrence



$$
f(x) = sqrt{6+(x+1)f(x+1)}
$$



or squaring



$$
f^2(x) = 6 + (x+1) f(x+1)
$$



Those kind of equations have an almost linear behavior so making



$$
f(x) = a x + b
$$



and substituting into the recurrence relationship we have



$$
a^2 x^2+2 a b x-a x^2-2 a x-a+b^2-b x-b-6 = 0
$$



Considering that we are interested on values near $x = 0$ we follow with



$$
2 a b x-2 a x-a+b^2-b x-b-6 = 0
$$



thus obtaining



$$
left{
begin{array}{rcl}
b^2-b-a-6=0 \
2 b a-2 a-b=0 \
end{array}
right.
$$



obtaining the feasible values



$$
a = 0.733360\
b = 3.142604\
$$



so the guess for $f(0) $ is



$$
sqrt{6+sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}}approx 3.142604
$$



NOTE



This value is a little smaller than the real value $approx 3.15433$






share|cite|improve this answer











$endgroup$









  • 2




    $begingroup$
    I can't see how this helps any. If this is simply meant to be a suggestion, using the comments is probably more appropriate.
    $endgroup$
    – Simply Beautiful Art
    Jul 3 '18 at 13:31










  • $begingroup$
    I know you can do this, but this is just an approximation, and isn't particularly more useful than just cutting off the nesting at $6+100sqrt{6}$, or something like that.
    $endgroup$
    – Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:05










  • $begingroup$
    Not quite true. If the sequence were $sqrt{6+2sqrt{7+3sqrt{8+4sqrt{9+cdots}}}}$ (Ramanujan) this method should give the exact answer.
    $endgroup$
    – Cesareo
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:29












  • $begingroup$
    Yes, I know, but there you would actually have a linear function. Here it's only an approximation.
    $endgroup$
    – Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:33










  • $begingroup$
    And as an approximation was considered.
    $endgroup$
    – Cesareo
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:36














0












0








0





$begingroup$

Hint.



Considering the function



$$
f(x) = sqrt{6+(x+1)sqrt{6+(x+2)sqrt{6+(x+3)sqrt{6+(x+4)(cdots)}}}}
$$



we have the recurrence



$$
f(x) = sqrt{6+(x+1)f(x+1)}
$$



or squaring



$$
f^2(x) = 6 + (x+1) f(x+1)
$$



Those kind of equations have an almost linear behavior so making



$$
f(x) = a x + b
$$



and substituting into the recurrence relationship we have



$$
a^2 x^2+2 a b x-a x^2-2 a x-a+b^2-b x-b-6 = 0
$$



Considering that we are interested on values near $x = 0$ we follow with



$$
2 a b x-2 a x-a+b^2-b x-b-6 = 0
$$



thus obtaining



$$
left{
begin{array}{rcl}
b^2-b-a-6=0 \
2 b a-2 a-b=0 \
end{array}
right.
$$



obtaining the feasible values



$$
a = 0.733360\
b = 3.142604\
$$



so the guess for $f(0) $ is



$$
sqrt{6+sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}}approx 3.142604
$$



NOTE



This value is a little smaller than the real value $approx 3.15433$






share|cite|improve this answer











$endgroup$



Hint.



Considering the function



$$
f(x) = sqrt{6+(x+1)sqrt{6+(x+2)sqrt{6+(x+3)sqrt{6+(x+4)(cdots)}}}}
$$



we have the recurrence



$$
f(x) = sqrt{6+(x+1)f(x+1)}
$$



or squaring



$$
f^2(x) = 6 + (x+1) f(x+1)
$$



Those kind of equations have an almost linear behavior so making



$$
f(x) = a x + b
$$



and substituting into the recurrence relationship we have



$$
a^2 x^2+2 a b x-a x^2-2 a x-a+b^2-b x-b-6 = 0
$$



Considering that we are interested on values near $x = 0$ we follow with



$$
2 a b x-2 a x-a+b^2-b x-b-6 = 0
$$



thus obtaining



$$
left{
begin{array}{rcl}
b^2-b-a-6=0 \
2 b a-2 a-b=0 \
end{array}
right.
$$



obtaining the feasible values



$$
a = 0.733360\
b = 3.142604\
$$



so the guess for $f(0) $ is



$$
sqrt{6+sqrt{6+2sqrt{6+3sqrt{6+cdots}}}}approx 3.142604
$$



NOTE



This value is a little smaller than the real value $approx 3.15433$







share|cite|improve this answer














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share|cite|improve this answer








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answered Jul 3 '18 at 13:27









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  • 2




    $begingroup$
    I can't see how this helps any. If this is simply meant to be a suggestion, using the comments is probably more appropriate.
    $endgroup$
    – Simply Beautiful Art
    Jul 3 '18 at 13:31










  • $begingroup$
    I know you can do this, but this is just an approximation, and isn't particularly more useful than just cutting off the nesting at $6+100sqrt{6}$, or something like that.
    $endgroup$
    – Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:05










  • $begingroup$
    Not quite true. If the sequence were $sqrt{6+2sqrt{7+3sqrt{8+4sqrt{9+cdots}}}}$ (Ramanujan) this method should give the exact answer.
    $endgroup$
    – Cesareo
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:29












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    Yes, I know, but there you would actually have a linear function. Here it's only an approximation.
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    – Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:33










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    And as an approximation was considered.
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    – Cesareo
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:36














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    I can't see how this helps any. If this is simply meant to be a suggestion, using the comments is probably more appropriate.
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    – Simply Beautiful Art
    Jul 3 '18 at 13:31










  • $begingroup$
    I know you can do this, but this is just an approximation, and isn't particularly more useful than just cutting off the nesting at $6+100sqrt{6}$, or something like that.
    $endgroup$
    – Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:05










  • $begingroup$
    Not quite true. If the sequence were $sqrt{6+2sqrt{7+3sqrt{8+4sqrt{9+cdots}}}}$ (Ramanujan) this method should give the exact answer.
    $endgroup$
    – Cesareo
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:29












  • $begingroup$
    Yes, I know, but there you would actually have a linear function. Here it's only an approximation.
    $endgroup$
    – Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:33










  • $begingroup$
    And as an approximation was considered.
    $endgroup$
    – Cesareo
    Jul 3 '18 at 16:36








2




2




$begingroup$
I can't see how this helps any. If this is simply meant to be a suggestion, using the comments is probably more appropriate.
$endgroup$
– Simply Beautiful Art
Jul 3 '18 at 13:31




$begingroup$
I can't see how this helps any. If this is simply meant to be a suggestion, using the comments is probably more appropriate.
$endgroup$
– Simply Beautiful Art
Jul 3 '18 at 13:31












$begingroup$
I know you can do this, but this is just an approximation, and isn't particularly more useful than just cutting off the nesting at $6+100sqrt{6}$, or something like that.
$endgroup$
– Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
Jul 3 '18 at 16:05




$begingroup$
I know you can do this, but this is just an approximation, and isn't particularly more useful than just cutting off the nesting at $6+100sqrt{6}$, or something like that.
$endgroup$
– Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
Jul 3 '18 at 16:05












$begingroup$
Not quite true. If the sequence were $sqrt{6+2sqrt{7+3sqrt{8+4sqrt{9+cdots}}}}$ (Ramanujan) this method should give the exact answer.
$endgroup$
– Cesareo
Jul 3 '18 at 16:29






$begingroup$
Not quite true. If the sequence were $sqrt{6+2sqrt{7+3sqrt{8+4sqrt{9+cdots}}}}$ (Ramanujan) this method should give the exact answer.
$endgroup$
– Cesareo
Jul 3 '18 at 16:29














$begingroup$
Yes, I know, but there you would actually have a linear function. Here it's only an approximation.
$endgroup$
– Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
Jul 3 '18 at 16:33




$begingroup$
Yes, I know, but there you would actually have a linear function. Here it's only an approximation.
$endgroup$
– Abhimanyu Pallavi Sudhir
Jul 3 '18 at 16:33












$begingroup$
And as an approximation was considered.
$endgroup$
– Cesareo
Jul 3 '18 at 16:36




$begingroup$
And as an approximation was considered.
$endgroup$
– Cesareo
Jul 3 '18 at 16:36


















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